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jQueryPack
@Luggage good point
yo we heard you like webpack, so we put a webpick in your webpack so you can webpack while you webpack
One of the jobs that I'm hoping for an offer from uses CoffeeScript... Sad to write it, but I'll write any language as long as the job/company is really awesome
webpack-loader
I'm glad, webpick + webpack is awesome
00:01
I'm still liking systemjs
@ndugger so low man, so low
@ndugger Convince them to go back to JS now that it has lambdas, etc.
@ndugger move to Canada
typing hard
only solution
00:01
convince them with violence.
oh yeah right @mosho, should I go for systemjs instead? Do they solve the same problem?
yo dawg, we heard you liked lambdas, so we put lambdas in your node so you can lambda on lambda
(phrasing)
@towc they do, but webpack is a lot more popular
@Luggage I'll be the Sr most JS dev that will help steer the front end architecture, so my long term goal will be to slowly move new things to use babel instead
00:02
@ssube now make it work with amazon lambda
ok, I'll get started with that, then move over
@NathanJones that's what I mean
I think systemjs is a much cleaner approach to the problem
!!doge lambda,webpack,coffeescript
         wow
                 so lambda
                             very webpack
such coffeescript
00:02
@ndugger you can always convert file-by-file.
I still think webpack hmr is a turd
Or transpile the whole thing, but only full line comments will be retained..
Yeah, probably not the best thing to do when I get there... rewrite and rearchitect everything to undermine the people before me... lol
Of course not, but after you are established, I would introduce the idea.
move. to. Canada.
:chants:
00:04
@Luggage see that's what our newest guy tried to do. day 1 he said we should rewrite everything
@rlemon I don't even have a passport
get one?
Later
@towc see how the hot reload works in our project
I'll need one soon so I can travel internationally, to places like Ireland, or Norway
00:05
if you can get the same result in webpack I'll be impressed
I had to get one for work
Until then, the US is big, and I have tons of places to visit here
it took a couple hours
cost $100
wasn't bad at all
I have a question professor: what's hot reload?
(for anyone confused, I work for/with mosho now)
we weren't
00:07
hot reload one cup
@towc ignore these fools
when you always have one squatting by
it's when you save your codez and the page updates without refreshing
people who use webpack won't know what real hot reload is if it hit them on the head
that's all hot reload can do
which it often does
00:09
it's less of a feature
@Mosho isn't that really unsafe? Wouldn't you rather tell the user that the page is reloading in 3 seconds and after the reload tell them that there was an update and the page reloaded?
and react-hot-reload is the biggest piece of shit ever
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Q: Exceeding 100% vertical height with bordered table

carb0nshel1On full screen view this code produces a vertical scroll bar. Why does this occur when the table's height is set to 100%? I've tried changing the box-sizing property to border-box to include the 1px border width inside the table's 100% height. Is changing the table height to something like 99.999...

it's not for users. it's for develoeprs
@towc it's for development purposes
00:09
oh, right
@carb0nshel1 Please don't just come into the room and drop your Qs without even trying to contribute to discussion.
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sowwey :(
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I thought it was interesting how simple yet elusive it seemed.
actually, where did you people learn these things? Surely they didn't teach you about react and webpack in college...
internships?
yep, and jobs, and actually doing it
most of us never went to college
00:17
ok, but you must have started somewhere, with people who actually wanted to hire you
or, again, internships
makes sense
@towc google and here.
I got an internship with my graphics skills, doing mods and demos and such.
started from the bottom, now we're javascript
@towc I learned almost everything I know about development by developing.
and most of that as a hobby
sometimes even documentation
00:18
worked my way up to being a developer, then into ops
my question is more what prompted you to learning these things
who told you to learn them and so on
I was bored
@carb0nshel1 try border-collapse: separate;
so during another job you learnt more js?
and in that original job you did vanillajs?
find it hard to believe
I did, why not?
00:20
That about sums it up, though
contracting
@towc My brain has an insatiable craving for knowledge
I learned React out of my desire not to use Angular
told the boss we were using React for our next project, dove in
I learned things because what we had sucked.
@Loktar when he was born ipods already existed
00:20
many people do NOT learn all these things. I know many programmers that are still on es5 JS w/ jquery and don't know that things like webpack exist.
My fist job was a startup where I could use whatever. My second job I lead the front end development and could do whatever. It wasn't until my third and most recent job that my stack was dictated to me
and never will
yeah many programmers don't care
and just collect a pay check
Knowing what tools exist is half the battle
I'd say close to 99% are like that in the real world
00:21
Honestly, I wish I didn't care. It would make life easier.
the smart ones
but you get a different breed in here
@Loktar idk about that (99%)
I mean we spend our time in a tech chat
well, 99% of humans are indians anyway
00:21
better or worse bread
@Mosho well 99% of who I've worked with I guess :P
and interviewed..
all bread is good
there are millions of devs employed
White bread is not good
I'd say it's close to thousands who care
00:22
that's true
I forgot about white bread
hundreds of thousands, or 10's
#MostBreadsMatter
bread makes you fat?
for every one of us in here whats the size of the team we work with who aren't places like this or working on side projects?
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#BrownBreadsMatter
00:22
i'm already fat
White bread does @ssube
@Loktar don't mean they don't care
@Loktar .
can't remember where I've seen the face of the male in that gif
@Mosho I mean don't care beyond a job
00:24
@towc michael cera? a lot of places
I think he's done "the double" or something
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@towc Are you in love with him? ahaha.
@WATERYMEL0N so much
he's been in a shitload of movies
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Yip
00:25
also, that sounds like an italian surname, I can't love him anymore
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@WATERYMEL0N please don't... we don't need to start a race war in here
we only race to start a war on the dance floor
unless it's racing cars.
actually, are any of us non-white?
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Meh.
00:25
#2true
I'm red
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@towc Haha, omg.
I'm yellow
fair enough
I'm white
who's blue?
00:26
@rlemon I remember my first beer
I'm goddamn rainbow
We need to form the american flag with our bodies
I'll be the pole.
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Who is non-from america?
dank
00:26
non-from
@WATERYMEL0N many of us
I'm from the americas
@KendallFrey I've seen that shit and it's creepy
@KendallFrey Why did this not even cross my mind? Something is wrong with me
00:27
lol
@ssube I still remember the lyrics
da ba dee
I listen to it every once in a while
so many school dances
@Mosho I have a blue house with a blue window
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@ssube Fuck'n creepy alright.
00:28
yeah that's pretty much the extent of what I remember
@rlemon I first heard it as part of a "flashback" program on the radio
that and "If I was green, I would die"
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This is weird and creepy as well:
00:30
cyriak is love
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The music is the worst part.
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@KendallFrey It's all so well done.
ok, time for sweet dreams, with cows and lambs randomly splitting and recomposing
lambs...
lambdas...
not yams
you're broken
00:37
maybe that's why I want to eat lambdas...
you're really broken
it's the drugs
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@KendallFrey Yip, he's broken.
!!giphy computer says no
00:38
wait, florian's around?
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Who's florian?
the guy you randomly pinged
margaine
looks like a misping
what with the edit
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Ohh FlorianMargaine
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@FlorianMargaine == @KendallFrey
00:39
don't ping em too many times
HOW
@towc how does linux work?
nobody really knows
fucking magnets
magnets have a hardware rootkit in them
00:41
@ssube you can hack magnets alright
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Does anyone have some tips or code for a code parser?
what kind of parser?
like, for writing your own language?
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A programming language parser
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@ssube Yip.
@WATERYMEL0N I have some hq-lang parser if you want
00:42
pegjs.org is my current favorite
antlr.org is The One
the standard with all the fun stuff
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hq-lang?
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I looked at those.
it has 3 tokens: h, q, everything else
everything else is disgarded, h prints "hello world" and q is a quine, prints the source code
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Yeah, okay, cool, thank you.
fairly easy to make a parser for it :P
00:43
pegjs is pretty easy to use and works really well for fairly simple languages
but PEG can't handle everything
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How do I parse brakets tho?
or actually, try making a brainfuck parser, it's good for the bare basics
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Peg is annoying.
@WATERYMEL0N brackets are just ignored in hq
@WATERYMEL0N you're annoying. How rude
@WATERYMEL0N parse how?
@towc stop spamming people
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00:44
I'm trying to parse functions and classes.
Hand write a parser.
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@towc I know.
it's not es6, but it will parse es5 and give you a nice AST
you can also, if you just care about JS, use Esprima or Acorn
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That's cool, it'l help a lot. Thank you so much. XD
00:47
oh man, letting apt-get update the gitlab runner during an ansible run from that runner is a Bad Thing
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ho boy, you need a parser library there somem awful
Yeah man don't write your own parsers
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I just looks at peg's source code, now this is much easier. I'll post the code when I'm done.
That's like the 3rd rule of programming
00:53
use yacc if you have to
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I'm autistic, I'm fine. hahaha
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If that's the third rule, then why does peg exist?
peg is writing a grammar, not writing a parser
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It's a parser than can be customised!
sort of
00:57
@ssube bison
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The people who made it broke the rules.
the grammar is the good part
@WATERYMEL0N somebody had to once
it's like writing a text editor
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Like antlr, the maker broke the rules as well.
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@ssube If somebody did it once it can be done again.
sure, but usually, you want to focus on the grammar and runtime
that's the fun part
text parsing is really just not
00:59
That's too easy, though.
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I am trying so hard to not use regex.
Handwriting one is where the fun is.

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