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user2620028
18:00
however the engine can only turn this output shaft lets say between 2,000 and 6,000 rpm on a normal car
So the transmission is the interface between the engine and the wheels and consists of multiple components, like gears and shafts?
user2620028
so if you dont have any gears modifying the turn speed and everything is direct drive then you could only go ( wheel circumference * engine rpm ) speed
user2620028
which is not very fast
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you also would not have much torque to get the large amount of mass of the vehicle moving
This must be why transmissions are so important then, if it's converting the power in a way.
user2620028
a transmission will provide an interruption between the output shaft of the transmission and the rearend
that's roughly what a transmission looks like inside
So this is my first instance of writing applications which have types
and are server client
   async getEmailTemplates() {
        try {
            return await this.agent.get('/api/admin/emails');
        } catch (e) {
            console.error(e);
            return {};
        }
    }
This function for example should return a Object that should be typed no?
user2620028
that will have reduction gears of different sizes that allow you to have differing speeds between the output shaft of the engine and the rearend
user2620028
so that you can have more top speed and more torque depending upon what gear you are in
18:03
The Types returned by this function are a subset of the Type that exist on the server
so should I just use Inheritance to define the types on the server & client by extending the types that live on both?
@KendallFrey A lot more complex than I thought. I didn't think it was giant piece like that.
Or just have two separate type def?
user2620028
@Waxi did you understand my explanation at all?
@HatterisMad The engine feeds the transmission who then feeds the wheels through gears and shafts?
user2620028
18:05
well yes
user2620028
but why the transmission exists is the important part
user2620028
just think about the differing sized gears on a bicycle
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and how much harder or easier it is to pedal depending on the gear you select
user2620028
thats a transmission essentially
An engine's direct power is weak and needs to be amplified through gears?
18:07
not exactly
user2620028
uhh i would have to agree with him
The engine can only 'pedal' so fast. Also, it can't go too slow, or i t has no power. So you need to 'scale' it's speed up and down to match the real-world speeds.
the transmission doesn't change the engine's power, only the torque/speed
user2620028
well if we are being forced to be semantically correct then yes
torque is needed at first, when accelerating from a stop. then as you speed up, different gears exchange torque for speed.
remember that power = torque * speed
18:08
@Waxi Speed and power are inverse
If you can transform high speed to low speed with a set of gears, you get power
it's torque, dammit
First gear in a car is slowest, but strongest, that's why you shift to lower gears on a slope
ever have a bike with multiple gears?
So the engine can't react / change to meet the demands of what the driver is asking, so the transmission is the brain to distribute the 'power' that's coming from the engine?
not a brain, just a lever.
18:11
So what I don't understand then is how transmissions get damaged if it's the one handling all the input/output.
the same reason any mechanical system gets damaged. you exceed it's capabilities.
(: Try lifting a 4000 kg box with a simple wooden plank as lever.
user2620028
@Abhishrek how long is my lever
So there isn't any systems in place to prevent that abuse?
sometimes.
18:12
@HatterisMad not sure if thats some type of sexual innuendo.
some abuse can be prevented, some not
user2620028
@Waxi yes but they wear out and people don't maintenance them properly. Or they drive the vehicle in ways it was not intended to protect against
The system that protects the transmission from being beat up, what is it callled and is it part of the transmission itself or some computer thing?
I have a JSON that includes a value that's a link '<a href="#">something</a>' that I need to parse to get the 'something'. What's the easiest way to do that before its written (I need to add some tracking code in the form of a data-element that includes the content of the link).
what type of abuse are you talking about? there aren't many protections and can't be
user2620028
18:14
uhh well there are several things that directly and indirectly help protect the transmission and they are not all applicable to every vehicle
@Waxi There isn't a thing designed to prevent damage to the transmission
it's just gears. it isn't that intelligent
some autos may prevetn you from shifting into a really low gear, but that's more to protect the engine
The transmission is partly designed to handle normal load, and the car is partly designed to prevent just anything from being connected to the transmission
user2620028
you guys are forgetting that the weakest link in the driveline is going to hopefully break first
@HatterisMad the warranty?
user2620028
18:15
so bearings and joints going out helps protect the transmission and rearend
user2620028
as long as you maintenance them :/
couldn't bad bearings put more load on a gearbox?
or allow play where there shouldn't be any?
I'm going to assume it's a lot easier to damage a transmission with manual than it is automatic.
autos fail more all on their own
kind of
18:17
nope, you can wreck an automatic with ease
it's also easier to be kind to a manual
user2620028
manuals actually are more durable
throw it in the numbered gears and shift for a bit, your automatic will be shot
manuals can be abused easier, but are simpler and less likely to fail under normal use
user2620028
as long as they aren't driven by a new driver or an asshole
18:17
in general, a manual gives you more control
the problem with manuals is the clutch
whether you use it for bad or good, that's on you
@ssube and syncros
that's going to glaze or otherwise get messed up before the rest of the transmission
user2620028
@Luggage less but its better than letting the abuse go straight to the gears in the tranny or rearend imo
user2620028
18:18
@ssube thats good though because that abuse had to go somewhere and the clutch is easier to replace than the rest of the tranny is to rebuild
user2620028
have to think about these things as good things not bad :D
If you put an Auto in "D" and just drive, you can't really do anythign wrong. But it'll eventually fail. With a manual, it can last forever (or you can break it in a day, if you suck)
good and bad are subjective
@HatterisMad yeah, it's not a bad thing (glazing a clutch doesn't even permanently ruin it, iirc)
well, it might permanently ruin the clutch, but yes..
user2620028
18:19
@ssube you can grind them and get a good surface again, but if you are already in there might as well replace it
doesn't it, in mild cases, sort itself out after a bit of normal driving?
could
I'm surprised that the transmission isn't protected more considering how important it is. I get that the trans itself is just a chunk of metal, but they should have something that prevents it being put to the extremes, but I guess the problem is that it wouldn't know the difference between something intentional and something accidental. And when I think of abuse, I'm thinking of someone red lining in a certain gear?
user2620028
well yes and no, grinding is the goal of recovering the surface and that is what you are doing
user2620028
but you need a stronger metal to grind it down with preferrably
18:21
tbf, the person who explained this to me was far from an authority and thought lighter-weight flywheels were the solution to everything wrong with his mini, so...
Why are you focused on "protecting" the transmission?
it's a gear box.
essentially trump commenting on minorities
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@Luggage more expensive to repair or replace than other components
Because anytime I hear someone talk about cars, almost always they say the transmission is bad and they're expensive to replace?
but they don't need 'protecting', they just need to be well-engineered.
18:22
@Waxi they're either wrong or a terrible driver who did it to themselves or bought a car without reading up on whether it tends to explode
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@Waxi the engine would likely seize before the transmission had any problems with the rpm
That's because automatics wear out faster and have probems (always, eventually)
Bu that's an engineering problem, not a 'protection' problem
autos operate themselves.
also most mechanics suck, and can't (or won't) fix an auto. just replace
they are mystery boxes to most people
@Waxi The steering wheel is pretty important too. Shouldn't we be doing more to protect it?
there could be anything in there, even a boat
user2620028
@Luggage if you have the opportunity to replace maintenance components that would have prevented the damage to the transmission then its not poor design, the problem is the consumer not maintaining the vehicle then
18:24
yea, i agree with that
But then 'protecting' would be 'nagging the owner'
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i also would agree that there have been shit tons of very poorly made transmissions recently
and always
OK, so the takeaway is a damaged transmission is more often the result of the driver?
hell, there are entire 5 year runs of subarus with engines that just up and explode
When Waxi says protecting, I interpret it as protecting form the every day behavior of the driver.
which isn't really needed in an automatic (the one that breaks a lot)
user2620028
18:25
@Waxi when there is not an inherent design flaw in the transmission which is very common nowadays
@Waxi no, the opposite
also.. it matters a lot if we are talking about manual or auto
people break manuals, autos break themselves
How can they be making bad transmissions? Haven't they figured that science out?
it's not science, it's engineering
show any product that doesn't break
@Waxi shitty american manufacturing
and shitty japanese manufacturing
and volkswagen :(
also german
18:27
I wanted to buy an Audi cause I thought they were well engineered.
user2620028
only part of germany, the other half uses getrag
@Waxi lol they're some of the worst, just rebadged VW passats
user2620028
@Luggage ^
Nothing is perfectly engineered. Go by reports of reliability for that model over brand reputation
user2620028
AWD vehicles are going to have tons of drivetrain problems if they are not perfectly maintenanced. even then they are much more prone to problems
18:28
@ssube Mind blown...wtf.
If American, Japanese, and German cars are shit, what are you supposed to buy lol
user2620028
japanese cars actually are not shit
The most used criteria is appearance.
If it looks cool, you'll deal with the problems much more gracefully then if you hate it. :)
user2620028
have you ever tried to kill a toyota or a mazda?
mazdas are just fords
also, all manufactureres go through good periods and bad.
18:30
@Waxi it's just VW brands
yeah, mazda has been terrible for the last 10 years, they used to be good
user2620028
basically every manufacturer just buys components from every other manufacturer
user2620028
yeah i haven't had one that was newer than 94
toyota, all their fancy new cars are shitty
Face it. All cars suck, but we love them anyway.
Our metal horses.
well yeah, that's why I don't drive every day :P
let the bus/train handle the boring day to day stuff and I'll just drive when it's fun
18:34
@HatterisMad I see your bet and rise you:
I don't get the phone thing/
@Luggage you havent tried throwing it against brick wall
@tereško survives better than any car vs. the same wall
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that was my first phone!
(seeing the wall damaged, while phone is just fine)
18:35
@waxi look at this thing. So much to go wrong. A small manufacturing defect (or just wear and tear) will eventually cause a cascading failure. One gear rubs a bit, cause heat that breaks down the lubrication, or soemthing grinds and get metal particles in the soup:
user2620028
or you dont replace your transmission fluid, or it leaks and you dont keep it full, or it isn't being cooled properly, or you have a seal go bad, or
It would be prohibitively expensive to manufactuer each part to the exacting spec it would need to make it last much longer
also, yes, bad maintenance.
user2620028
or you have a sudden jarring in the driveline and that abusive force has to be absorbed somehwere
plus that one time when a meteor hit and killed all the dinosaurs, which left their cars sitting around for a couple hundred million years until humans evolved, and that just wrecked the transmissions
user2620028
you know like people trying to do burnouts or some shit :P
18:38
right, you let your teenage kid drive it and he goes and does neutral drops in your AWD car.
user2620028
hahaha if your kid is that dumb then you are to blame
My kid wouldn't be
but it's not like my mom ever knew enough to tell me otherwise
My kid would learn on a manual
I've done that exactly once and it was because I didn't think the transmission would actually hold up.
rwd. on ice
user2620028
then she should have learned it so she could educate your properly.
18:39
Is this JavaScript?
then it did and was pretty ok
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@CosnotraLF sometimes :)
@CosnotraLF it can be, do you have a question?
user2620028
you dont have to know exactly how everything works. but it is your responsibility of someone owning a vehicle to know how to properly operate the vehicle at a minimum
18:40
fun fact, the hyundai transmissions use node.js
@HatterisMad I agree, but that doesn't counter my 'teenager' example
No lol thx for asking Thoe... just go in to try it out.. My first time being in the chat lol
1. they don't listen. 2. types of abuse is not covered int he owners manual
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@Luggage teach them before they are driving
I think we are talking past each other
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could be haha
18:41
because I agree that people shoudl know more and new drivers shoudl be educated better
but.. kids are kids
they'll suck the blood out of you no matter what?
@CosnotraLF well, we can offer plenty of suggestions (more than you will ever need) and if you have real questions, we may have useful answers
they do stupid shit, and even well educated they may not realize that the thing you are NEVER supposed to do is usually way more damaging in this particular vehicle
Because we never teach people the differences between doing forbidden things in differnt circumstances
user2620028
@Luggage oh yeah... you aren't talking past me i just think about whenever my dad told me about operating his car and i figured if i did stupid shit then i wouldn't be alive the next day, or would hope that i would have been put out of my misery
I guess the point was.. the kid might go abuse your RWD car and you never know
where the same action in the AWD car causes $$
user2620028
18:44
he would have known, and i would have been the one replacing the clutch :(
put an IoT tach monitor in there and remote kill it if your kid redlines it
Wait, doing doughnuts damages the transmission?
Not if done right
but it's very hard to keep a smooth slide going
and in an appropriate vehicle
user2620028
18:45
putting any undue stress on the driveline can and will eventually damage all components in the driveline
Then I guess for the uneducated and experienced, anything other than normal driving will damage your transmission/car lol.
there's a reason I only ever slide my car in tremendous amounts of snow
user2620028
@ssube you need more torque :D
@Waxi that is correct
But a burnout or donut in a RWD vehicle if the breaking of traction is done right, can be fairly ok.
18:45
@HatterisMad I know :(
once my lease and warranty run out, the transmission in there should be able to take 450 safely and 500 with some work
I've done bad donuts btu I learn fast.
user2620028
450k miles?
I've made the front wheels plow instead of the rear lose traction in a mustang
@HatterisMad torques
user2620028
oh haha
user2620028
18:47
was gonna say damn man most trannies dont make it 100k
it's around 300 stock but the transmission is rated for somewhere around 450
@ssube yea, these days I only play in snow
same fun, easier on the drive train
@HatterisMad pssh, my e30 had 160k on it
the diff went before the tranny
hell, the fuel lines went before the transmission
Coder by day, street racer by night.
but part of the fun of having a mustang is driving with a non-0 yaw.
18:48
@Luggage yeah, same. This winter I'm going to make my gf slide around in the snow.
My old car (well, one with the same color/options):
@Waxi there will be a sad day when driving far too fast in highway traffic is no longer appealing
then you have to race at night :D
there are a ton of car meets and ad hoc races around my neighborhood, which I need to get into
that and underground raves
user2620028
eww lol
user2620028
street cars + race === eww
eww at my ridiculous douche-modile?
oh
18:51
The pinnacle of my street racing was drag racing a coworker at night, on a 2 lane road, me in the oncoming lane, doing about 110. Haven't done anything that stupid since.
@Luggage what is wrong with the back end of that thing?
nothing, but mine had a spoiler
that one does not
it looks douchey but normal for 95% of the car, then... impala
that lower lip hanging out like it's full of chewing tobacco
@MadaraUchiha are you interested in offering bounty on this question stackoverflow.com/questions/33722217/…
It's scary when you get over 100mph...the damn car starts to shake.
18:52
I also liked my fake hood scoop (factory)
cget a car that doesnt' shake at 100
@Waxi depends on the car
100 feels like 50
I've done 145 going over I-94 in the Dakotas with no problems
user2620028
@Luggage in the racecar 100 feels like 30 lol
18:52
fastest i've gone is about 130.
on a bike
130 on a bike...145 in a car....you fucks are crazy.
user2620028
i accidentally did 120 on my bike before i realized i was going waaaay faster than everyone else on the highway
You guys must have some giant balls cause I'd be too scared to go over 50 on a bike.
sometimes I get next to somebody and slowly accelerate to 110 just to make them follow along, because they aren't paying attention
it wasn't regularly
user2620028
18:53
then you shouldn't be on a bike cause you will get run over
and on a straight empty highway
I've seen enough dash cams to know better.
user2620028
@ssube you evil fuck
That's practically 'responsible' as far as illegal driving goes.
hey, are global variables on a page 'bad' or is it a matter of preference? I prefer them
18:54
@JoJo they are bad
objectively bad.
they are a symptom of design problems, your code is not modular enough
@ssube I've noticed that phenomenon too. Horses do the same thing when racing...trying to maintain the same pace as each other.
ugh...
they are bad because they introduce hidden dependencies
18:55
What a coincidence, a horse was driving.
@Waxi right, so you do that with a car, then drop back to normal speed and watch them fly off into the distance
it makes my functions more simple
@JoJo no, it makes your functions shorter, but they no longer tell you what parameters they need
haha more simmpler
@ssube lol you're savage
18:56
you lose the ability to read the declaration and reason about the function
fine...
i hear you
@Luggage lol wow
i will adjust
I've noticed people feel comfortable speeding in the left lane, if someone is in front of them leading the pack.
You'll get 10+ cars going over the limit, as long as they're not the first car doing it.
18:56
of course. the person in front is 'the rabbit'
I think that's so interesting to see that.
i will stop using global variables then as soon as possible
user2620028
which is funny because the person in the back is the one who actually gets caught by the cops
I enjoy leading the pack just to see how fast they're willing to go.
always drive in the middle of the group
18:57
ohh, you're the rabbit?
It seems the safest being the rabbit. Wouldn't the cop get the last guy?
I appreciate the guy speeding in front, acting as my cop-detector
Not if he's parked at the next turn-around
but then you end up with more code.. repeating logic over and over...
they'll get the car in front or in back
@JoJo then take that code and move it into a shared function
like this kind of stuff:
    var mtv = $find(alertTemplateGridId).get_masterTableView();
    var selectedRows = mtv.get_dataItems();
18:58
@rlemon no idea
for you or gf?
I think she has an AMD card so I'd just get her an IPS with freesync
since she can utilize it (freesync that is, and there is no added cost)
Safety in numbers, if you see a group going over the limit, you're better of joining instead of staying back by yourself sticking out.
right, get tableRows().. gotcha @ssube
should be tons of those for way under $500

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