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15:00
lol
@SterlingArcher I have no idea how this app works
it isn't intuitive at all
@BartekBanachewicz i said "lol"
It requires heavy use of your index finger
so no
that's probably why
15:01
@SterlingArcher is it an useful practicing tool for fingering ?
God damn it. I'm passing VALID data to sql server, and it's crashing with a fatal error.
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Its hard to believe those business insider images were made using MS Paint.
The data is being saved mind you.
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really steady hand
15:02
what does the error say ?
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totally in control of their hands
@TodoPertin never heard of P + H + O + T + O + S + H + O + P ?
MS Paint 4 lyfe
> God damn it. I'm passing VALID poutine to sql server, and it's crashing with a fatal moose.
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah, I'll refuse then
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15:04
@KarelG the website clearly says "MS Paint".
@FlorianMargaine oh ok, then go ahead and do that
@rlemon gimme the ol' razzle dazzle
I've been trying to learn GIMP recently. It's uhh... interesting.
it depends of the image. But most of these logo's are made with PS
Hard things are easy and easy things are hard.
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15:06
@KarelG ok. (y)
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I know photoshop and have used it once until license expired.
GIMP4lyfe
eh, there are free alternatives
like GIMP
or Google's Nik Collection
(i love the last one)
Saying GIMP is an alternative for Photoshop is like saying Notepad is an alternative for Visual Studio
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@OliverSalzburg really?
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15:08
is GIMP so far behind?
Is it possible to have a jQuery listener like when an element is hidden?
fuck gimp, cheer paint
15:08
GIMP is a perfectly fine application to utilize.
It costs like $10 a month...so cheap.
@OliverSalzburg close enough
@Waxi no
no
there is a free adobe photoshop, but only of previous versions: Adobe PS portables
imgur.com/gallery/hIdiZHA my god, one sting would probably kill me
15:09
Paint.NET is enough for a typical user though
@SterlingArcher holy sh*t
@SterlingArcher : If i recall it right, in 2013 there were 40 deaths and 100+ victims due of hornet attacks in china.
that can eat a whole finger
@KarelG well, that happens too with bees
@OliverSalzburg That would have been true a decade ago. Even then, it's just a poor comparison.
the point here is that only 1 of that monsters are needed to kill you
15:11
@littlepootis I disagree
yeah, their venom is dangerous
it destroys your red blood cells
The UI of GIMP is such a PITA
Why is it a PITA?
pain in the ass
@littlepootis Download it and run it. Then you can experience it for yourself
15:12
I know what a PITA is.
@littlepootis if you have to ask, that means you haven't used PS, GIMP or neither
as a long time GIMP user (who also has PS) GIMP has lots of untold 'features'
but it isn't unusable.
@OliverSalzburg I've used it for some time.
15:12
on the contrary, it is very usable.. after you've learned it
that's a real pita
@OliverSalzburg you can get lost in the features that adobe PS offers ...
The only software that I know that has worse interface is blender
Just because it doesn't mimic photoshop doesn't mean it's bad..
each editors have their pro/cons
15:13
@littlepootis I read what instead of why
GIMP is a bit like git. Very powerful, bit of a learning curve.
@littlepootis no, it's bad because it's terribly designed
fucking unintuitive
the very fact we're having this discussion is a giveaway
i have to second that
@KarelG So? You can get lost in the amount of packages that are on npm
yes, you can use an app with a terrible interface
sure they are "usable"
15:13
@BartekBanachewicz blender's interface got a hell of a lot better a few years ago. I agree, it used to be the worst UI I've ever used, but it's not bad anymore
that doesn't mean they aren't bad
that's why i moved on Google's Nik collection for image editing
@ndugger I think the grand redesign they talked about still didn't happen
@OliverSalzburg you can search through the packages. PS doesn't offer that
@ndugger I agree
15:14
@KarelG Dunno about that. Have you used the new ones? They actually have programmable work surfaces that solve precisely that problem
google.com/nikcollection <--- my current image editor nowadays
@BartekBanachewicz I dunno, when I was doing 3D modeling with it like 3 and a half years ago, the UI was a lot different (and fairly useable) compared to how it used to be before then
I think I installed it about two years ago and it was a total disaster
Blender wasn't made to be easy to learn
@BartekBanachewicz well, it used to be even worse, lol
15:15
For $10/mo you can get the mother of all image editing programs. It's not that bad!
for Free you can get GIMP and learn how to use it :D
@ndugger i like how this argument is playing out
@rlemon this
real men use notepad to edit images
I didn't realize we were having an argument
15:16
And it's FOSS
@KarelG You can use Google to search both
Yeah I guess I'm biased. I've been using PS for a long time and won't settle for anything else.
@littlepootis which is another reason to not use it
@Waxi I used PS for years.
15:16
bartek pls
@BartekBanachewicz lol
Banana Sandwiches doesn't like open source software?
you can use notepad for ascii images
15:17
@ndugger FOSS has nothing to do with open source
Free Open Source Software
except the middle bit
uhhhhh
it's free except it's not
you need to clarify that
it's a license for OSS
15:17
@KarelG it's so free that it has to forbide you to do things
still free.
are we talking about GPL?
@rlemon well not in my book
not being able to modify !== not free.
This is my favorite thing I've made in GIMP so far: (made after a somewhat frustrating week at work)
15:18
Photoshop fan boys are a lot like apple fan boys. Both turn their nose up at completely acceptable alternatives and get stuck in their ways and refuse to see the light.
If I could completely move from GPL-licensed software, I would
@BartekBanachewicz did you have read the license information of FOSS ?
@KarelG I wouldn't be having this conversation if I didn't.
so to save us all time
If I could completely move away from proprietary licensed software, I would.
15:19
TL;DR BSD > GPL
if you disagree, you suck.
@Retsam mine is a tie.
@BartekBanachewicz I agree
yes, but you say that it's forbidden "to do things"
or this:
15:19
I only use proprietary software, because I like being bummed
@rlemon Whose face is that?
@littlepootis now we're getting somewhere
@Retsam @jAndy
i usually publish my projects under MIT license because i'm fuck lazy to select the right license
same
MIT for days
me2
but it's actually a deliberate choice vOv
how many licenses for OSS are there already ?
15:21
5 ?
@SterlingArcher Awal's probably sobbing because of that picture, asshole.
GPL / apache / MIT / BSD / MPL
@Trasiva why?
LGPL, AGPL, CC0, APL..
so much
This shit is why I have nightmares
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I'm learning JS, PHP, WordPress theme development, MS Paint together. Is it going to be too much?
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15:23
yes
MS Paint: 100%
paint.net
eww wordpress
at least be modern
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I do not understand.
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15:24
JS and PHP are the same. Just the syntax is different.
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the KSP turbo charge update is at -40% on steam
@TodoPertin what
@TodoPertin if you're serious, you're wrong. if you're trolling, welcome to the fam fam
My hamster is the same as that spider. Just the specie is different
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15:25
@SterlingArcher they are programming.
@rlemon I am now 78% sure that he's trolling
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@rlemon same in that they are just programming. if you can do good things with PHP, you can with JS.
@TodoPertin learn you some client v server differences
And you'll realize that I'm .3 seconds from kicking you ._.
@SterlingArcher cough node.js
15:26
@TodoPertin just like my foot and your ass are the same in the sense that they will soon be connected?
@BartekBanachewicz I swear on your mum
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@SterlingArcher PHP does at server what JS do to client-side. lol
i mean nodejs and php are the same because they're both shit
runs away
@rlemon lmao
Permission to kick
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15:27
@rlemon lol I meant from a learning perspective.
just read that Clinton and Trump won NY
nahh
no really the guy is trolling
>:(
!!afk lunch
USA will be a joke
15:27
i mean there's the law about trolling sophisticated enough
(with the ex hooters co worker :D)
@SterlingArcher hoot hoot
@TodoPertin they are only the same in the sense they are both programming languages. They might also share other similarities, but saying they are "the same" is wrong.
so either he's trolling or he's sooooooooooooooooooo..... ooooo... oooo not on par with reality that you won't get through anyway
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lol you guys have made me a troll. I feel like a trool now.
15:28
ok
trools be trooling
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I just like talking to you guys becasue I want to be like you. I really really really really admire developers. Its very cool.
@TodoPertin okay, then understand what you just said was basically "dog and giraffe are the same because legs"
user5992646
all the amazing things that we have on devices are thanks to you.
Everyone is considered a troll that's not a 'regular'.
15:29
no, there are clear lines of trolling
and there is acceptable trolling and unacceptable trolling
lol
most of the regulars troll
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I really want to be able to make working things taht others can use like you. its really cool.
there's also a blurry chunk where we can't tell if you're trolling or just stupid
and I feel like we allow good trolling
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15:31
@ssube what? I do not understand.
Sometimes it's hard to tell if somebody is intentionally being difficult or just really, really wrong.
Is there a way to browse the bookmarked conversations for a room?
@ssube Happens to me all the time, can vouch.
@Waxi Most of the time, you're actually trolling.
15:33
Ah. This is my favorite trolling that I've seen in this room for awhile: Javascript Haxor
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I learn PHP and when I feel l'm running out of energy I come here because I have this tab of chat.stackoverflow always open.
@ssube lol...it would make things easier if I was, but I'm just really, really wrong, a lot of the times.
@rlemon it's true … they're all non-human animals … you don't really need more detail … pfff…
lol
friggin @ndugger
15:34
hmm?
Are there are more characters besides the exclamation point that encodeURIComponent fails to encode to be complaint with RFC 3986?
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and after talking I can get back to learning.
idk why the gods smiled on us so much, but they did when he found this room
@ndugger the thing @rlemon linked
15:34
Why is that a thing? That's so weird
@PeeHaa What about … trying it yourself? :-D
I still snicker when I think of Analytical Gregory
I was hoping somebody would just know the answer, but only javascript noobs in here
So useless...
@PeeHaa you mean like … it's possible to be actually an expert in JS?
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not noobs they are quite knowledgeable.
15:36
Wait just a while longer. I'll pull up some quotes.
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see?
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I mean they are industry experts. some are from Netflix.
@JanDvorak lol
@TodoPertin He's aware, he's just busting our balls.
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ok
15:38
@Trasiva :P
@PeeHaa I'm not sure why you're working on that when you never fixed CV PLS. :P
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, Apr 17 at 10:21, by Jan Dvorak
Leaving PHP? Feel the shackles fall off your wrists and the smell of summer caress your nose.
@Loktar lol what?
@rlemon @ndugger amazing play on words with a user
15:39
@PeeHaa you confused me for a bit. was wondering wether or not I was in the right room
if you read between the lines.. I don't want to get in trouble
obvy
Anal Greg
is what he means
come on
Analytical Gregory!
15:40
lol sounds like some nerdy super hero
retorted
> By day a mathematician super hero, by night the sexiest queen known to man
> Defeats his foes by ruining their credit scores!
in Ruby :: Sometimes on Rails, Oct 7 '15 at 14:30, by Jan Dvorak
Sad fact: PHP has a one-char abbreviation for ... rescue nil
lol that would be pretty damn effective
15:41
he ignores half the enemy team
> I can't buy a house now.. thwarted again!! Damn you Analytical Greg!
@Loktar he could be an anti-hero. the only man capable of taking down Bruce Wayne...
LOL
billionaire with a credit score of 200
@rlemon Saitama?
15:42
@Loktar I believe we call that a "Trump"
@JanDvorak so basically... you're trolling PHP in every roome but PHP's... way to go, champ :p
200? That's ... not Sparta.
or maybe a "Kanye"
@Trasiva Uggghh damnit :( Somebody (me @MadaraUchiha) should really give it some love
15:43
@ssube no Kanye still has money. he can buy houses and cars and shit. he just needs more man
!!afk sammich
@MadaraUchiha One Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaunch!
@ssube idk Kanyes sounds like business debt honestly
they made it seem like it was personal debt
must be nice to just try a (any business) have it fail and write it off like nothing happened lol
@Loktar It's not that hard in the US
@KendallFrey what was your Rift estimate?
The money is the company's not yours
15:46
Mine was like the 28th but I'm getting it today
If it goes bankrupt, if you play smart, no one can demand you for money.
@MadaraUchiha yeah, having the capital period I mean
@KendallFrey ah, we it seems like they are shipping faster now
so I bet you will get yours sooner
hopefully
I'm paranoid, I've read a few stories of people having broken ones :/
like one screen is dead, ect
I would probably cry a little bit
15:47
damn, I know I would
one dude posted 7 days worth of photos, of the box just under his desk
because it was broke, and support hadnt gotten back to him yet
The Rift launch was a complete failure, let's just be honest.
not a failure, more of a cluster fuck
a failure would be nothing launching imo
Its just too expensive :(
15:49
@Loktar that would have been hilarious, not gonna lie
and despite that, they still sold tons of units
@KendallFrey lol yeah would have been pretty crazy
I've been considering canceling my vive order but I'm going to hold off like another week or so
make sure my rift works well
Going back on getting both?
@Loktar why?
15:50
the reviews have them neck and neck
with the rift barely edging out the vive in comfort
and many people say oculus touch is better overall
but roomscale bro
so it seems redundant to have both idk
lol idk
@KendallFrey rift can do it too
@Loktar I dunno, between the customer support issues I've seen, the broken units, and the awful production issues, cluster fuck is pretty kind.
15:51
^ @KendallFrey check it out, with only 1 camera
touch will come with a second camera
Dammnit, Youtube just rickrolled me.
not knocking the vive, just not sure its worth spending an additional 800 for redundancy idk
plus buying a house and all next month :p
I was using the "My Mix" feature which picks music based on what your watch history, and guess what comes up...
I wouldn't buy a new house just for VR
@JanDvorak it's dedication to the cause! :p
15:54
@JanDvorak Weirdo
@Retsam Rick Astley is one of the less bad options
KSP is on a sale, I bought it (cc @rlemon, let's test your claims of grandeur)
Oh yeah, I want to check out the KSP update
Apparently the performance/UI has been significantly improved.
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help me out
15:56
Now you can watch even bigger spaceships disassemble on the launchpad
@Retsam performance is better, UI has new features but I don't know if I like the overall style
driving is pretty damn fun now with better wheels
TF2 needs a performance update.
Also, better water physics
@littlepootis LOL what?
The inflatable heat shield is pretty funny
15:57
I can get that running on any system made after 2003
@JanDvorak better than 1.0?
although they need to reduce the size of the dang game
what is it like 30 gigs?
@MadaraUchiha watch Scott Manley ksp Tut series on YouTube
water physics were already pretty good
@KendallFrey not sure
15:58
@Loktar 18 or so
It gets you over the learning curve fast
I don't think 1.1 changed water physics, I think that was a 1.0 change.
!!youtube scott manley ksp 1.1
@littlepootis ah yeah I guess its not terrible
15:59
@Retsam yeah
but still 18gb seems like a lot for that game
@here is this a valid stack overflow question? stackoverflow.com/q/36749175/6220751 or is it too broad?
I enjoyed the career mode series
@littlepootis you play Overwatch at all?
Oh it's from you guys (and girls?) where Karel got his interests of Kernel Space Program game.
15:59
@Loktar Overwatch doesn't have hats or taunts
So, nope.
it has taunts, just not hats :p
but it has skins, or will anyway

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