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16:01
I've used Ubuntu for like 5 years
6, actually. Started with 9.04
I tried Arch and Debian in the middle. They're nice, but I always came back to Ubuntu for some reason
Debian always has outdated packages for me
they all do
Ubuntu seems to be the most up-to-date with packages
ubuntu had all out-of-date packages for thigns i wanted. node, redis, etc. i ended up building most form source
Arch isn't too far behind
16:02
It's more bleeding edge, yes, but Debian is all about stability.
That means well tested, and yes, older packages. Security patches get merged into debian stable tho
user1596138
@SterlingArcher haha
I used ubuntu for up-to-date apps/packages, now, since I build most of them from source anyway, I'm considering debian for a more stable base
10/10 want a hotplate for my car now
16:04
Also mainly use Ubuntu because Gitlab works perfect with it
It's a bit flaky with Debian.
add a little cotton
juice it up
I use Debian because I prefer a stable environment where things are extremely unlikely to break.
chuck the clouds brah
16:05
Then again, I don't use Linux as primary OS
@rlemon dafuq is that
@Neoares hot plate sans plate
My friend was trying to tell me that vaping is a dying breed and will be banned in public by next year and that cigs are healthier lol
99% sure he was trying to troll, 1% says he wasn't and that frightens me
16:07
Vaping is banned in a few places here already
being 'banned' inbars and other public places sound possible. the rest is BS
Indoor banning is perfectly fine
But there's no feasible way to ban it outside
Illegal to smoke in cars with kids in here too
He said they kept blowing up on people, so I explained to him how a lithium ion battery reacts to punctures and overcharge
@BenFortune jokes on the public, I don't have kids
'not well'
16:09
#andneverwill
crl
crl
!!bootstrap or flex+media queries?
@crl boobstrap
plan on supporting older than EI11?
!!urban boobstrap
16:10
@CSᵠ boobstraps Another name for a bra. It originated from our four year old who asked ...
WHO ASKED WHAT?!?! WHO ASKED WHAT!!!!
@crl bootstrap
^ I'm pretty sure this is the first animated gif I ever saw.
speak so 1337 i have no idea what is being said
It's not l33tspe4k as much as it's WoW specific jargon
16:12
^ I'm pretty sure this is the first animated gif I ever saw.
crl
crl
^ I'm pretty sure this is the first animated gif I ever saw.
Okay, I stand corrected. s/saw/liked
this is also possible for the first gif I ever saw
well, not this remake
but you get the idea
The xkcd Time thing is amazing.
Both the comic itself (so many panels) and the forum thread for it, which currently has 96157 replies 14517808 views and at least 2 religions.
can I make a div's content wrap around its height?
16:15
@Retsam lol best gif I've ever seen
wat?
where were all of you when they made the "under construction" gif on webpages ?
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@Mosho que?
@Luggage you can poke fun all you want at how I'm making another node framework, but damn it's pretty pastie.org/private/f3nqvmz19gikoqy26bi4w
@Mosho flex box?
16:16
@DontVoteMeDown technically the post was tagged jQuery, so this is valid answer if a little more explanation is added. Not worthy of a downvote IMO. — Sterling Archer 21 secs ago
@Nick looks like Java :)
Dear diary, today I defended a Jquery answer...
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spring/j2ee shits
@Luggage It's supposed to feel like a cross between spring and .NET
I do admit, it looks a bit more like spring than .NET right now
@SterlingArcher the post was tagged jQ because every post is tagged jQ. The post doesn't have any jQ, so the tag should be removed.
16:18
"looks like Java" seems to be the JS room's goto insult.
I just wanted to upvote him because he said "no inline js pls" D:
(inb4 "Your mom looks like Java")
crl
crl
!!caniuse flexbox
Flexbox is great, but you're gonna have to do a lot of mixins for IE10 support
crl
crl
16:20
all fucking green
They use an old version of the spec
crl
crl
oh right
It's not hard to support
just takes a bit more code
autoprefixer?
It's a bit more complicated than a simple prefixer can handle
16:22
Did you just try to attach a .doc file with your local system path? — Sterling Archer 7 secs ago
Witness hell.
lol
ugh, my VM's network is shot
no idea why, but I guess it's time for a new one
replace the virtual network card. maybe the existing one virtualy broke
if(response === false || response === 'false') {
D:
y
!!> Boolean('false')
16:30
@MadaraUchiha true
eval ftw
@SterlingArcher Because someone didn't do they jobs right?
@FastSnail no problem
@Luggage just gonna replace the whole thing and set it up with my puppet scripts
user1596138
16:31
@Nick I thought IE10 was fine
user1596138
Ohhh nvm
@ssube i'm looking for a tool like that, but I only have 1 (soon 2) VMs. is puppet good for small deployments?
or am i better just making a list of commands to run
@Luggage sure, you can run it without a server of any kind
like ansible?
@Luggage Reminds me of the practicing agnostic who every Sunday goes to church which doesn't necessarily exist.
16:32
never used ansible, but I hear it's the inbred cousin of Puppet and Chef
Chef is very linear, Puppet is very abstract
hm, ok
any of them can be used to install packages, clone repos, set up keys, and that lot
@Jhawins You can get it to work just fine in IE10, but you need to do a lot to it
@ssube We use Puppet at work, it's mostly IT that's dealing with it though
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@Nick I've never worked somewhere that didn't support at least 9 so I wouldn't know
16:33
@MadaraUchiha our IT department is strictly windows, so Ops does our Puppet stuff. It's easy to work with.
Appears to give some order to the chaos (we have over 100 machines with different roles, so puppet + foreman goes miles)
@Jhawins We;re ditchin IE8 in january, and by the company rules, we also get rid of IE9, but whether or not it happens remains to be seen
$scope.root[value.title] = {
	"description" : value.description,
	"root" : value,
	"selectedFields" : {},
	"weight" : 0,
	"fields" : ""
};
@MadaraUchiha If you follow their recently published best practices, you define "profiles" (a tool or service) and roles (collections of profiles), then use hiera (yaml data) to assign roles to machines.
I feel dirty for creating an object like this.. if I need a blank object property, is it better to use "" or null?
user1596138
16:35
@Nick Damn at least we don't have to support 8
@ssube Yeah, I'm fairly sure that's what they do.
@SterlingArcher I'd use null, but I don't know the context
I've set up a module doing that for all our build machines and am in the final stages of tweaking, but I can spin up 6 servers, a load balancer, and a dozen agents in about 10 minutes.
I haven't gone into it too much (just enough to know how to change parameters on the machines I need)
I probably should though, it sounds like an interesting management tool
with 2 VMs, I'm not looking to reign in some huge mess, just document the server setup.
16:35
@Cereal I'll post how fields is populated hang on
It's all inheritance and saying "I expect this package to exist" and "I expect this file to exist with this content"
and if that document can actually do the setup, even better
@Luggage what do you want on the machines?
postgres, redis, node, nginx, my code, a user account or two.
and ssh keys
16:36
@rlemon @Mosho's more handsome brother.
some postfix config
BTW @Mosho we've seen some real doges here in Japan
@Luggage oh yeah, puppet can do that np.
$scope.applyFields = function() {
	angular.forEach($scope.root, function(key, value) {
		if (key.description === $scope.activeIndex) {
			//key.selectedFields = $scope.fields;
			$scope.rootSource = key;
		}
	});
	console.log("Applied root",$scope.root);
	console.log("Active source", $scope.activeSource);
	$scope.fields = {};
}

<div class="col-md-12" ng-repeat="(item, value) in root[activeSource].fields">
	<div class="checkbox">
	<label>
			<input type="checkbox" ng-model="root[activeSource].selectedFields[item]" ng-value="item"> {{item}}
16:37
Fields are based on checked values. I store them in a scope variable, then based on what the active "source" is, I apply them to the root object
@Luggage "ssh keys" just means "the file /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/<user> exists and has such contents"
Right.
that might not need to be autmated. not sure if that's wise
you can get away with just a file that says node 'default' { class { 'postgresql::server': } class { 'nginx': } } and have a machine
you can kill 2 birds with one stone and make it automated right away
16:38
ohh, well, public keys.. i guess it doesnt' matter
at least you know it's reproducible and you won't have any issue adding another server if needed in 3 months
honestly, it's fun, and not very time-consuming
@AwalGarg have a look now
there are issues though the UI can be laggy
@FlorianMargaine plus it makes you think about what you're installing
you can split responsibilities into more, smaller, cleaner machines
mix and match, respin a clean VM every day, anything
@Nick Was starred around here a couple days ago
16:42
@MadaraUchiha Oh, hadn't noticed
Oh man their faces
!!s/fa/fe/
@Nick Oh man their feces (source)
So we're looking at townhouses today, tomorrow and friday :D
Nice; I'm still in my parents' basement... I don't have to pay rent, so why move out right now?
16:47
^ This
Except I have the biggest room in the house :P:
I'm gonna move out soon, though. My commute is gonna become dangerous once it snows
You don't pay board?
We currently live in a 1500sqft townhouse for $1950/m (/3 people), and the places we're looking at range from $1800 rent with 1800 sqft but our favorite listing is $2100 for 2700 sqft
So for $700 a month I could totally dig a massive townhouse
Plus, finally hardwood floors so it wont smell like dog everywhere
jesus, our rent and utilities are $1500 between 3 people
it's a small house, not sure footage
My location is expensive :(
16:49
Mine's cheap as balls, yay
@BenFortune that's because you don't live anywhere
rent is cheap if you're willing to be a lifeless dweller, one of the Things From Under The Stairs
never trust anyone who lives in a basement
The sad thing is, a "cheap, shitty" single bedroom apartment costs $1400/m here
A "nice, baller" single bedroom can go upwards of $2500+
3 bedroom detached house, £425 a month
16:52
Shitty apartments here are $600-800, a nice flat just outside of downtown is $1200-1500
What's the appropriate function on an array to immediately exit on finding a result? It's like reduce but not quite. This is a sample of what I am doing
I'm done with having shitty apartments. For a whole year in Ohio, I lived in poverty in a couple of really shitty places... no more.
my house is ~1200sqft according to the internet, but I'm not sure if that counts the finished basement
I can't stand shitty anymore. Things always break
That's another downside of living in northern VA. It shoves expensive taste down your throat like a bad porno
@ssube it looks like 'standalone' is what i'd want. Do I install pupet on my dev machine at all, or only on the server?
16:54
@Luggage you can test the scripts without puppet, so you don't need it locally, but I run it locally too
How can you suggest a non-standard feature? — DontVoteMeDown 1 min ago
lolz
Updoots!
Updoot for modern, standard code. — Sterling Archer 12 secs ago
I've just started shoving ES6 in every answer whether it works today or not.
My way of promoting it.
@MadaraUchiha I get it, but I see why many people consider it 'non-standard'. If you don't have a build process, es6 is kinda off-limits to you.
16:55
The JS room effect is strong.
A warning would be fair, though
@MadaraUchiha I started doing that, my answers just got blasted with downvotes though even after explaining./
@DenysSéguret Why? Everything in JavaScript needs to be taken cautiously.
Just because jQuery made the DOM ugliness go away and browsers more or less consistent, doesn't mean that web development is not an extremely hostile environment where one browser my support features the others do not
> DontVoteMeDown
pls
I'd like to believe that web developers will look up the browser support for features they find online, and if they don't well, it's on their head.
16:57
Babel all the JavaScript.
@MadaraUchiha Why is there a callback?
@copy How would you have done it?
Abstracting away the condition, that is.
return selectors.some(selector => parent.querySelector(selector))
Being non-cautious with JS is like turning your back on a big cat (or raptor)
@copy Then you're left with the if
Which may or may not be a bad thing
16:59
Doesn't sound bad to me
@copy Post an answer
Although the chat effect may have doomed that path already

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