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18:00
@SBB no, the 'plugin' remains in memory. the referenced element loses the functionality, but the plugin still stays in memory. if that helps/
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Looks like shit on this machine. It was smooth scrolling at home :?
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@Zirak It a fricken Odometer bruh
@Jhoopins Nnnnnoooooo
@Jhoopins was kinda neat till they did the infinite scroll and made it look like shit
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I mean it's truly awful. But I thought it was at least a neat thought
18:01
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@rlemon Yeah it's awful.. But good thought
That's the worst effect I've ever seen
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@rlemon what is the best approach to go about destroying a plugin?
@Jhoopins clever yes, but confusing
@SBB don't
or better define what you mean by plugin, and what you hope to achieve by destroying it
18:02
@Zirak : thanks for your koa reckoning tip. Recently installed that game. It's a gem. (although i started with wrong investments >.> )
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It's basically a timer that counts up. When you "complete" the task, I reset the timer to 0 but it appears the interval still goes on. jsfiddle.net/9bf4jmao/3 If you click begin, the timer starts and when you click on "complete, my end goal is to stop the timer which visually looks like it happens but the element at the bottom of the page is still being updated
should I exercise before or after dinner?
Gah, windows is being so irritating
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the reset function never existed which is what I am trying to integrate into the plugin so I can reset it when a button is clicked.
@Nick -- Depends what time dinner is
18:05
I don't have a set time... I get home around 5
@SBB you interval = setInterval(...) but scope block it
you would require refactoring to clear said interval.
I usually go after.. gyms clear out around 7, 8 - 5-7 is too crowded.
damn it, what's that website of yours that makes the quote meme ?
@KarelG woop! Glad you like it
And just visit a Fateweaver, you can reset pretty easily
Also! Salvage everything useful, the gear you can craft is much, much better than anything you can buy, and sometimes anything you can find.
@Nick Hooray for the Minnesota workday, where you need to be home by 5 because it starts snowing at 5:15 every day.
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18:08
thanks @rlemon - I'm not quite sure that that entails but It gives me a starting point
I just come in early and leave early
@Nick it depends of your hunger. If you're usually hungry before dinner, don't sport. Or you will eat more food than usual. That's why it's not encouraged to sport before breakfast because people was eating too much breakfast because they had hunger after doing sport
My commute is pretty bad right now
Socket.io/Engine.io is broken on Node 4.0 :(
you still taking 35w north every day?
18:09
35E
oh, gross
yup
that's mostly closed
also yup
@SBB alternatively, you can replace setInterval with setTimeout in countUp (make it recursive) and have a flag that you use to determine if you need to call setTimeout
18:09
last time I went out to maplewood was a pain with all the construction at the 94/35e junction just north of downtown StP
if( running ) {
  setTimeout(...);
}
@SBB ^
@ssube Yeah, that's where it';s the worst, but 35E north of 94 is all torn up until you hit 96
@Jhoopins broke on first load
had to reload it
@Nick I haven't taken it further north than... 55?
Or is it 60
Did you guys watch Jimmy Kimmel last night? He pointed out the marketing head of Apple said 'amazing' literally like 25 times on the stage at the event.
18:11
@Zirak since these items (shards, pieces, ...) doesn't add weight, i collect these, just that i don't have to search when crafting stuff. Currently using looted gear because i'm a totally idiot on crafting. Gotcha to learn it.
@ssube you don't travel much, do you?
@RahulDesai It was no after the first 6 words.
@Nick Not really, I mostly stayed in Mpls for the last few years. Been out to Maplewood a few times, down to Minnetonka once or twice, Plymouth a couple times.
Geeze, live a little!
Live just south of Como now and take 94 downtown for work.
@Loktar twss
18:13
How do you not get bored? I need to adventure often or I go mad
I have lived in the same city my entire life. :P
@Nick My adventures don't involve leaving the city.
We do plenty of stuff, just around the midway.
that's weird
Go to Duluth or something
They have a beautiful lake-side walkway
The trains and bridges, climbing, jumping, all kinds of stuff.
Walking down energy park at 4 in the morning, hypothetically on piles of drugs that I don't use in real life, could theoretically be pretty sweet.
that painted a nice picture.
18:16
@ssube don't you ever just get the urge to go canoeing in the boundary waters? Go explore one of MN's waterfalls? Anything?
@Nick Don't like water.
you're surrounded by ~10,000 lakes
wat
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@rlemon - jsfiddle.net/9bf4jmao/4 I gave it a shot, while it seems to clear and not keep counting it also only counts up to 1 second :)
So no, but I have been known to take people out to fancy things.
My housemate and I were talking about finding dates and going to the orchestra the other day.
I'm gonna make chicken breast with brown rice and spinach when I get home. It's gonna be awesome. I should add another vegetable, though.
18:26
asparagus
I've never actually had asparagus...
wat
I know
what the hell man
how do you cook it?
18:27
in a pan for a few minutes
^---
snap off the base of the stalk, saute for a couple minutes until it just barely snaps when you bend it
it's delicious with chili/maple glazed tofu and couscous
or cook it for few minutes, roll it in ham then bake it
no ham; too much fat
I never have ham anymore...
hanging out with a vegetarian and a kosher girl has changed my diet :\
18:29
zero fat food isn't good though. You just need to ensure that you aren't consuming too much carbs & fat per day
I don't mind changing my diet
no, I'm gonna eat healthy and lean, and there's nothing you can do about it
I mind people trying to force me to though...
I've broken up with people who tried to make me quit smoking, but accidentally quit bacon without her asking.
It's easier than cooking two meals
i got an invitation of my university to follow a course in AI for free \o/
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18:31
Well the good part about not having a vehicle is I haven't spent jack shit in 2 weeks.
@Jhoopins besides a downpayment on a vehicle :p
i don't even have to pay for the two books. A nice offer.
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Aww shit yeah actually I spent like $2K xD
// gotcha learning something. Happy
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And don't have the vehicle. Damn
18:32
you're getting it today right?
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If the check doesn't come today I'm just gonna go steal it
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Yeah I should get it today. Asked the guy to let me know when he gets the mail either way whether it's there or not.
nice, hope its there
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Me too.
@Loktar you are on ST3?
18:35
yea
can you test something for me?
open a blank doc, change type to HTML and type the following:
<div><div>
<script>
setTimeout(function() {
  foo();
}, 1000);
</script>
</div>
sure
then attempt to close the second div. it auto completes for me and I get </setTimeout(function()>
i have to install ST3 once a day
Here's a fun one: Which had greater impact on gaming? Unity or Flash?
18:36
@SomeKittens gamers
:p
@SomeKittens Flash: somebody, somewhere, used it a couple times.
@rlemon ok, done
52 secs ago, by rlemon
then attempt to close the second div. it auto completes for me and I get </setTimeout(function()>
@SomeKittens Flash
<div><div>
<script>
setTimeout(function() {
  foo();
}, 1000);
</script>
</script>
</div>
@Loktar nono
1 sec
18:37
oh you mean after?
it adds another script close tag for me if I do it after the script
edited above when I try to close the div after
don't forget that ST3 is still in beta
no matter where I try closing after it adds a closing script tag
@Loktar ^
this is what I am seeing
weird, yeah for me I get </script>
as soon as I hit the / it auto completes to the incorrect crap
18:39
any plugins enabled?
in either case both are wrong
ST3 is weird with script tags. It doesn't like to auto close them for you
you double the script tag
Interesting, I'd say Unity - changed the ways engines were made/sold, opened up the indie market to many new, awesome, creative games and unlocked cross-platform compatibility
^ then it works right @rlemon?
18:40
it has to be </div>
@SomeKittens flash did alot of that before it was cool :p
@Loktar no, you closed the script tag twice, instead of the div. and mine created a new funky tag
@SomeKittens it was like the ninth engine to do any of those things, and not the biggest
@SomeKittens I'd argue that they both impacted the market a lot, just at different times; but you could say that there are more flash games than unity games
@rlemon I mean after my second script closure, then it closes the div
18:40
same
Unity didn't introduce anything to the engine market
works AFTER
but why does it fuck up in the first place :P
bug report time
@Nick I'd argue that there's more Unity games that reached critical mass
@ssube Much in the same way Google didn't introduce anything to the search engine market
except a search engine that works.
@SomeKittens in the PC game market, and lately the console market sure
18:41
@SomeKittens what? Unity actually didn't add anything.
but overall Flash I imagine has reached way more
@SomeKittens I don't play unity games, and I haven't played a flash game in ages, so I'm not very knowledged in this area.
Torque and a dozen other engines already had all of those cross-platform easy-game features and were selling really well.
Torque is dumb
@ssube I was going to mentiong Torque as well :)
18:42
Unity came out pretty late in that era of engine development.
Garagegames was awesome
Torque wasn't necessarily good, but it was pretty big and did all the same stuff, years before Unity.
there was also blitz3d, and blitz max.. leadwerks, ogre, ect. ect.
leadwerks has always been mediocre at best
@Loktar there were dozens of them for a while, then the whole thing kind of died off
18:42
I think if anything made an impact on the indie market it was Steam
ugh
Steam actually selling indie games, yeah.
@ssube right
you have to register for their forums to submit a bug report.
there were shitloads of indie games before Steam
18:43
LAME
Back when those engines were big, nobody would sell indie games.
Games are boooooring
they just never reached the masses
@ssube they would.. but on their independant storefronts
@Loktar oh yeah, that was huge
18:43
lol
@FlorianMargaine I wish I didn't agree with you on this, but I've sort of lost interest in video games
Steam, Unity, Humble Bundle, etc
yay more people making their own games and not more AAA sludge!
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Hey could someone explain to me what the part with range does in the function pasteHtmlAtCarret here: jsfiddle.net/activee/jwvwwv9j
@SomeKittens What's the sudden obsession with Unity?
@SomeKittens its kind of always been like that though
18:44
@Nick exactly.
there are hundreds of thousands of indie flash games
@ssube having the same argument in a different chat room, thought I'd x-post & nerd snipe
they just didnt get the same exposure
I still love the Halo series, and the occasional racing game, but otherwise, video games are boring.
there are indie games from the Atari even.
its always been around, and people have been doing it, its just trendy as fuck now
18:45
@Nick watched the trailers for that zero horizon dawn morning null edge-of-the-sky game?
hmm? no idea what you're talking about
it's skyrim with robot dinosaurs (skyrim + binary domain + sir, you are being hunted)
hell the Commodore 64 has a library over over 10,000 games
how many of those are indie vs commercial
a big ass chunk
I have a div that has a id="" and a onclick="" with two different functions why is it taking 2 clicks for these both to fire
18:46
@Loktar What's your impression of how the x-platform stuff has helped indies? I know back when I was in college that was a selling point they used to beat AAA
@ssube Oh yeah, I remember this; meh... looks ok, but I'm not excited for it
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@Tsea onclick="function1();function2()" should work
Anecdotally, Linux/OSX support is what brought me into indie gaming
I will admit that I'm still excited for the future-coming Zelda game, though
@SomeKittens Considering 80% of their sales are still on Windows...
18:46
@SomeKittens I think it helps to validate indies, but I think now the line is really blurred
does anyone else have issues with clearTimeout. why isn't it cancelTimeout ??
many "indies" don't seem like indies, or flat out aren't because they are publishers as well. I think the term is really overrused, or changed anyway idk.
haha the single biggest thing that has helped indies is the internet :p
@rlemon beginPath/closePath -- the JS api hardly ever makes perfect sense
@Loktar yeah, it's a lot easier to show off top-quality stuff on a budget nowadays
I mean back in the day you would hear about some obscure game from a friend, and get it on disk
18:48
(which is awesome)
@SomeKittens yeah definitely
man.. and lets not forget mobile damn.. how many hundreds of thousands of indies exist there. So crazy
mobile and micropayments ruined gaming
mmos too
I wouldnt say mobile did, but micropayments and DLC for sure
really, having to interact with other people
Back in college I tutored a 12-year-old on how to mod Minecraft. He's still hacking away.
18:50
mobile is just a platform people chose to abuse
wish I could go back to being 12 with all the tools available today.
@Loktar that's because only stupid people have cell phones
@SomeKittens I ran a website for an unreal game that got people into modding, one went on to work on games like Dungeon Defenders
was pretty awesome.
yeah UDK is another engine to not forget about
anyone else? I find I'm constantly writing return new Promise(resolve, reject) { .. }
brain! y u no work!
Source engine, and thus Valve, HL, Steam, etc came from modding
18:51
which has been around for a long time, they have just gotten awesome with their terms now
UDK gets so very little use
@ssube its been increasing lately
@Loktar I'd say Unity forced their hand, but they reacted very well.
largely because it's hard as hell to use
18:51
Competition is great. No one likes stagnation except the fat cats.
@SomeKittens yeah, then they went for unity haha
@SomeKittens UDK and Unity don't sell to the same space, really. UDK is just the trial version for your $400k UE3 license.
a lot of indie games are terrible; let's just be honest.
@ssube they definitely do
they don't really expect people to actually ship using UDK
push you pretty hard to upgrade to the real engine
18:52
@ssube when was the last time you checked out UDK?
@Loktar it's been a few years
their tools are pretty badass now
there's a LOT that's changed
and the price is $20 a month, you can cancel anytime and continue to use it
I got over the whole indie game thing a couple years ago
18:52
^ Script to skip youtube age gates
My stupid work email is connected to gmail and won't let me login to youtube
UDK has a lot better VCS included, so Unity needs to step up their game
and the world gets better game engines
as an engine I think UDK is better overall
the lighting is so beautiful
man Unreal engine 4 is so badass
@Loktar wat
oh, UE4
UE3 is still known for having the worst lighting ever :P
@ssube oh yeah I mean UE4.. its so crazy
that's why Borderlands didn't use it and went so heavy on cel-shading
18:54
photorealistic
god and then there are ones like crytek as well which are great
heh there are so many choices
@ced that doesnt work
crytek are like epic, except they take their graphics seriously
UE3 lighting made everything looks shiny
the whitepapers they published from crysis 1 and 3 were insane
I implemented so much of that in other games. Their paper on flowing water on surfaces was great.
@ssube Loved that motif
Borderlands captured the "Grabbing some friends and blowing everything up" gameplay so well
18:56
also lets not forget Unreal runs using webgl
@SomeKittens there's an interview somewhere where they talk about it. It was half because it looked cool and half because UE3 sucked so hard.
got a bit samey, but was fun nonetheless
Unity is still behind on that
Unity already wont work in chrome unless you set a flag
that makes it as bad as flash for the web imo
Speaking of, I need to finish LinkedIn's paper on Kafka
Mass Effect was on a similar version of the engine and looks like plastic wrap on everything
18:57
@ssube heh same thing for the last Unreal Tournament they made
you can always tell a UE3 game when you see it
@Loktar I just fire up FF whenever I need to test one of my brother's creations
although the Transformers ones look fantastic still imo
Gamebryo was one of the better engines around, technically, until they went out of business because Bethesda couldn't code.
@Loktar right? "Why is this so ugly...? Oh, UE3"
@SomeKittens thought FF was dropping support soon as well
The number of features in Gamebryo that Bethesda could have (but didn't use) are insane. That code was great, even back when MW came out.
18:58
Isn't FO4 using gamebryo?
This is weird, why does Meteor seem to act synchronously in _.each()?
Why would you need an async .each
@Cereal Could be, but it's probably using the bethsoft fork.
@Cereal It's a custom engine. Behtesda has iterated on top of Gamebryo so many times that it might as well be a new engine
@ssube yeah the tools have been top notch as well
18:59
After Oblivion, they essentially forked the engine and applied some main-line patches, but mostly kept using their own.
@Nick not true at all
@Cereal Because I need to get multiple responses from the server to update the client

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