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3:00 PM
@Loktar don't even get me started on tomorrow
 
lol
 
@MirkoCianfarani uhhmm... I'm not sure where this is going
 
Aha, never mind, MutationObserver
 
@MadaraUchiha just curious, which popup menu? the chat message actions?
 
but it's just because employers are more likely to employ people who "went to school in OX" rather than who "went to school to any shitty italian school"
 
3:01 PM
@AwalGarg Users
 
$.unmute()
 
mutation observers are like the worst method I can think of to do it.
j/k. I dunno how to do it :-P
 
@towc Where are you moving to?
 
greetings from ger
 
@SomeGuy oxford
uk
 
3:02 PM
Nice, congrats!
 
to go to oxford?
 
So...someone's going to yell at me and I know it.
 
@alovaros guten tag
 
thanks!
 
<-- linguistically gifted
 
$.post('https://chat.stackoverflow.com/admin/movePosts/17', { ids: 24851790, to: 1, fkey: 'MEIN' });
 
@ʞɔᴉN hey :D
 
@ʞɔᴉN clearly a trade-off
 
Seems to work fine for moving messages
 
3:03 PM
Shouldn't this theoretically work? $checked = $('.ckbClass').children[0].(':checked').length;?
 
not exist the article in english sorry
 
@Mosho ouch haha
 
@Trasiva Nope.
Unless ':checked' is a property you've added on to the DOM node :P
 
@towc would you be attending the prestigious university in this town as well?
 
3:04 PM
I was afraid of that. So I'm going to have to manually loop through each .ckbClass span, aren't I @MadaraUchiha?
 
@Trasiva No
 
@ʞɔᴉN I'd then apply to MIT or Cambridge (not a joke, both american and british one), unless Google/Youtube/one of those contacts me to work for them first, which is not too unlikely
 
What is it that you want to do?
 
oi @MadaraUchiha gist.github.com/awalGarg/… I knew I wrote this
 
@MadaraUchiha I'm trying to get a count of every input:checkbox within the .ckbClass that is checked.
 
3:06 PM
@AwalGarg lol Remooove
 
@MadaraUchiha Short explaination: Asp .NET web forms for asp:checkbox CssClass attributes...
 
:D
@MadaraUchiha just wanted to make the length of all actions same. because...
 
@Trasiva $('.ckbClass input:checked').length?
 
@towc Ah very good. Should you choose to leave school and start your career let me know and I could probably get you set up at Google.
 
@AwalGarg Why the hell did you name it rikduocodeformatinsochat.js? :D
 
3:07 PM
@ʞɔᴉN you serious?
 
Are you?
 
@MadaraUchiha Still returns 0 oddly enough.
 
@MadaraUchiha ?? dunno. maybe you had any involvement in it?
 
I am, but I know I can basically only trust you in bed, so... @ʞɔᴉN
 
@MadaraUchiha Nevermind, I'm a dolt.
 
3:08 PM
just ran that script here. o.O it still works
 
I can tell you ain't really bout that life
Brb telling my assistant to fetch me coffee
 
@ʞɔᴉN I'm applying for one of their positions myself after I clean up my resume tonight.
 
@Trasiva google?
 
post unformatted code suckers
 
@ʞɔᴉN Yea
 
3:10 PM
Nice, good luck man :)
 
		return {
			then: function (fn) { // lol
				s.addEventListener('load', fn);
			}
		};
That's A++++ promises right there.
 
@MadaraUchiha Wait how did you get the source for my latest project
 
shut up it's mine (not latest at all btw)
 
@ʞɔᴉN I am omnipotent, and omnipresent.
 
3:14 PM
return {
    then: function(fn) {
        setTimeout(function() { s.addEventListener('load', fn); }, 0);
    }
};
better ^
 
Y U NO setImmediate?!
 
@AwalGarg Y U NO PROMISE?!
:P
@AwalGarg so you add the links on click of the menu
 
nah you are just jealous I implemented promises in 3 lines
@MadaraUchiha correct
 
!!s/promises/a promise/
 
And lemon adds them with a MutationObserver as the nodes arrive
 
3:16 PM
lemons a noob. his method is not gc friendly. accept me as your hero and have the most fantastic day of your life.
 
Actually doing it onclick sounds like a better option
 
@AwalGarg A+ compliant promises can be done in <100 lines
 
But is it guaranteed that the popup will exist in the onclick handler?
 
@MadaraUchiha yes.
 
let's avoid religion
 
3:19 PM
?
 
lets avoid the religion of var
 
vim is the best.
 
I don't want my messages moved and to be associated with the likes of the homophobes and racists that get their messages moved.
 
VIM IS LOVE, VIM IS LIFe
 
o_O how come that didn't popup that most annoying bar in the world saying frenchian margain has invited you to trash?!
I was about to shout at florian because I thought that bar will come any now :P
 
crl
3:22 PM
SO probably changed those annoying notifications
 
@ʞɔᴉN Thanks, the worst part is trying to make my resume as appealing as possible, and keeping it unclassified, haha.
 
@MadaraUchiha You're from Israel? :o Cool :P No wonder you're into PHP ;)
 
aha rekt
 
@MadaraUchiha you are into PHP?! blasphemer. bastard.
 
3:22 PM
takes a while to load, but it's more than awesome
it's only 1023 chars
 
bites?
 
@AwalGarg look at his profile, obviously he's into it :P
 
@AwalGarg I used to do PHP a lot
But abandoned it almost 2 years ago
 
Thank you for your answer Madara, it was quite professional :)
that foreach syntax is kinky, but I have a feeling it has some overhead
Unless it's not like C#. I mean in C# I tend to use iterator (Enumerator) and manually loop over the collection with a while loop. Because Garbage.
 
I was gonna post that old question here again hoping for some help, but @ʞɔᴉN is still here!
 
3:26 PM
@towc that took a long time to load
 
crl
@major what do you major?
 
@DemCodeLines oh noes
 
Can we all agree that ASP .NET web forms just need to go away.
 
> takes a while to load
 
That's a paradox @crl
Software Engineering
 
3:27 PM
Hehe, but seriously, all hope is lost at this point
 
@towc like a minute. and I got like 2 fps
 
@Major0 With ES6, you would use for..of
 
my mac is pretty weak though
 
what about you? and also you @MadaraUchiha
 
@ʞɔᴉN still, I don't think I could ever do something like that in 1kb
 
3:27 PM
for (link of document.querySelector('a')) {
    // use link here
}
 
ES6? I have no idea :P
@MadaraUchiha ^
 
<3 for of
 
<3 @Loktar
 
so much better than iterating nodes with foreach
o/ @FlorianMargaine
 
OH
I see
 
3:29 PM
@Major0 ?
 
that "of"
I was confused about this for of :P
 
2 mins ago, by Major0
what about you? and also you @MadaraUchiha
^ ?
 
Your major :p
@crl asked about mine, and didn't answer back xD and I asked about you while I was at it
yours *
 
@Major0 Nope.
 
@towc Size doesn't matter
 
3:31 PM
how to read files line by line in nodejs :\
 
No major?
self-taught?
 
@ʞɔᴉN There are two types of people in the world. Those who say that size doesn't matter, and those with 7 inches or more.
@Major0 Yup
 
I'm a CS major but I might be CS dropout soon
 
@ʞɔᴉN what do you mean? I have a whole 19cm!
 
@MadaraUchiha LOL awesome
 
3:32 PM
@MadaraUchiha I just said that to comfort him :/
 
That's really interesting @MadaraUchiha ^^ you're too good for a self-taught
@ʞɔᴉN why drop?
 
@Major0 There are plenty of great self-taught programmers
 
@ʞɔᴉN There're
 
Yeah of course
 
I'm almost entirely self-taught, look how good I am :p
 
3:34 PM
life question: am I currently a self-taught programmer? I haven't taken any school courses...
 
yes
 
but I see no reason for dropping after you started
 
@Major0 it's just tedious. Not sure if more years spent in school = more opportunities
 
crl
!!convert 7 inches cm
Oh I miss @Cap
 
@crl Cap is dead
 
3:34 PM
@crl ~17cm I think
 
@crl probably like 17 or 18
 
crl
thanks
 
@Luggage I mean, I had this chat as a teacher, who responds to my questions and stuff, not like a video. Am I still considered a self-taught?
 
Meh school just directs you to (hopefully) the right way; you gotta do the rest
 
Closer to 18, actually
 
3:35 PM
@ʞɔᴉN more experience === more opportunities
 
@towc No one is completely 100% self taught
Even material written on the internet was written by other people
So they are your teachers.
 
7 inches are exactly 17.78cm
 
@Loktar yeah. I already have almost a year of professional experience (while I've been completing classes)
 
it's a good all-around size
 
self taught pretty much means you followed your own curriculum.
 
3:36 PM
But "self-taught" refers to not getting your knowledge from formal education
 
I just don't want to drop out and then find out later it was a mistake
 
@MadaraUchiha exactly. So when someone asks me if I'm a self-taught the best nerdy answer would be "noone can be selftaught in programming"?
 
Not taking the literal, but common, definition, you're self-taught @towc
 
@towc what @MadaraUchiha stated is true, eventually a human wrote that book or recorded this tutorial video.
 
@towc noone can be selftaught in anything
 
3:36 PM
pedantic nerds
3
 
When you learn to walk, gravity and the ground are your teachers.
 
self-taught is more of "self-motivated"
 
When you learn to talk, you actually copy those around you.
 
@ʞɔᴉN exactly what I was thinking.
> well actually no one can truly be self taught hahaha.
 
@MadaraUchiha but the NN in my brain made me learn about it without anything being injected into it... so it's still me?
 
3:37 PM
> why don't I have any friends?
^ in reference to @towc responding to someone with that lol
 
lol
 
@ʞɔᴉN I don't think dropping out is a good idea. Bear the pain and try to be ahead of your curriculum/ extrapolate from it
 
When are you changing your name upside0down nick? I still don't remember which conversatinos I had with you or the other one.
 
:o
 
crl
3:38 PM
it started with 'well' not 'technically'
 
that's nick upsidedown! lol
 
@crl Read the tooltip (hover over the image)
 
perhaps he switches to his subconscious?
 
crl
Ah
 
@crl rephrase plz: technically it started with "well", not "technically"
 
3:39 PM
@Luggage In like 25 days maybe? I tried to change it but apparently you're only allowed one name change per month
 
crl
@towc hehe
 
@ʞɔᴉN Why are you thinking of dropping out?
 
@MadaraUchiha lol
 
@crl are you talking about the first thing I said here? STALKER!
 
upside down nick is the cooler one who lives in California, right side up nick is the one who likes snow and lives in MN
 
3:40 PM
well, until then, you lack an identity
 
@Luggage take the average of the 2
 
@MadaraUchiha like I said, it's just tedious
 
@ʞɔᴉN Montenegro?
 
@ʞɔᴉN Can't you just move to Australia and everything would make more sense?
4
 
@ʞɔᴉN Why did you start?
 
3:42 PM
@ivarni too many jumping rats
 
lie about going to school at all or why you left. Getting bored and not completing what you set out to do doesn't make you an attractive hire.
 
RIP Cliff Burton
 
@MadaraUchiha just because it's the "regular" path
 
crl
the starred messages should also have the "@someone"
 
what starred message @crl
 
crl
3:43 PM
third one
 
@Major0 look on the right side
 
@ʞɔᴉN Personally, the reason I haven't started my degree yet is because I think the "normal path" is silly, and that talent and experience trumps degree any day of the week.
And the reason I'm about to start my degree is because I think I'm at a point where it would help augment my knowledge with the missing information I haven't learned since I'm self taught
 
hopefully its worth the $$ to you
thats my biggest gripe with formal education, its pricey, and the payoff in our career field doesn't equal what you pay always.
 
@Loktar I've seen people who went to get formal education and have far less knowledge and experience than myself
And I've also seen @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
well not all formal education is created equally either
community colleges for example seem more like cattle farms
 
3:46 PM
You can leverage formal education to achieve a much greater understanding of actual programming practices.
 
Is a CS course in Uni worth it?
 
pushing as many people out as possible to get that money.
 
Or you can leverage formal education in hopes of getting a better job
 
@MadaraUchiha That makes a lot of sense. Be prepared for a couple years of boring and somewhat pointless GE coursework before you get to anything interesting
 
Personally, I think that people who only go to get a degree in hopes for getting a job are delusional, and will never get to a workplace where they actually feel they are helpful and useful and fulfilled.
Not until they get their hands dirty and get some actual working experience anyway
 
Friend of mine was stuck in place before I pushed him to do things, write projects, publish them, get reviewed, get into the community aspect of programming
He's not there yet, but he's a LOT better than what he was a year ago
Degree and all.
 
that's awesome
 
@MadaraUchiha The problem I found with my current job is the guy they hired fresh out of college was atrocious. I spent my first three months undoing the crap they taught him.
 
@Trasiva Interns and "fresh from college" folks are a double edged sword
If you do it right, you get extremely high quality people, who will return your investment many times over.
If you do it wrong, everyone loses. They, you, and your other employees.
 
@MadaraUchiha Absolutely, the worst part was, he told me that they did a total of three days of actual development, and the rest was just theory crafting.
 
3:50 PM
@ʞɔᴉN I'll tell you something, and it's not a matter of pride or showing off, really. It's just how it is.
 
do tell
 
I get about 1 request/week from headhunters and recruitment agents on LinkedIn
Why?
I never even uploaded my resume to LinkedIn
 
@MadaraUchiha That's 52 more a year than I do with my resume on there, haha.
 
Well, I did link my Stack Overflow profile. And my GitHub profile.
 
IMHO I think that if you "love" the major and are wanting to actually learn then you'll actually augment your knowledge and be satisfied from that. Yet some people think that getting a degree magically gets a job. I believe it's all about being self-taught WHILE getting a degree.
 
3:52 PM
Those are my resumes
And remember, I have no degree whatsoever.
Experience >>> formal education.
 
What's your github profile?
 
Indeed
 
Formal education is important, but experience tops that every day of the week, every week of the month, every month of the year.
 
Experience | Formal Education == Stackoverflow :)
 
As an employer, I want people who know how to solve the problems I'm about to present them with, not the ones who know how to sit on their asses and memorize books.
 
3:53 PM
I need to start contributing to projects and getting my code out there
 
(that's logical OR, just like Masks :P don't mind me xD)
 
@Major0 I'm self taught, I got into the Air Force as a Software Engineer, went to the tech school where they taught a day of HTML, and the rest of the six weeks in Visual Basic. I didn't start learning until I got to my first duty station and started into my actual job.
 
haha JESUS
VB and HTML?
 
@Trasiva They do that here as well
 
3:54 PM
@MadaraUchiha thanks for sharing that with us :P
I got into VB and HTML in the 8th grade lol
 
@Major0 Yea, but if you think about it, it makes SOME sense. Once you can develop in one language, it's mostly about learning the new language's syntax.
 
Yep
 
Microsoft bribes the government, and the entire education system, military and government are Microsoft products.
 
you know what's cool? when you develop with a BRUTAL language like ASM
then you'll find everything easy lol
 
@MadaraUchiha thanks
 
3:55 PM
well not "develop" but write simple stuff
 
the anime is real
 
user406009
@Trasiva I would counter that that's not quite true. There are different categories of languages which require different ways of solving problems.
 
@Trasiva there are some paradigms though
 
@ʞɔᴉN Yes it is.
@Major0 Not really
 
@Major0 I got trapped into working in Ada at one point.
 
3:55 PM
learning java when you know C# is fine, learning haskell when you know java is completely different
 
Programming in ASM wouldn't make Java easy. Or Lisp. Or JavaScript.
It might make C easier though
 
@Lalaland @FlorianMargaine Oh, I agree with both of you, but for the baseline development learning, it's a good starting point.
 
C is funny
 
Programming Logic is the same wherever you take it
 
@alovaros C is not funny by any measurement known to man.
@Major0 No, it isn't.
 
3:56 PM
I think learning C++ && Assembly together will build a strong core in you
that will allow you to overcome anything
 
In procedural programming, "logic" is describing the solution to the problem, step by step.
 
@MadaraUchiha so i enjoy C
 
Yes I do realize that. And actually felt it when I started doing Prolog
 
In functional programming, "logic" is describing the actions that need to be done to solve the problem, and then you pass data into it.
 
@Major0 C++ maybe, dunno about assembly unless you're CE/EE
 
3:57 PM
it's different, but it gives self-confident ya know
 
In object oriented programming, "logic" is describing the entities in the system, and how they interact with one another.
A programming language is that, a language.
As a programmer, you tell a story more than you write a solution to a problem.
 
Yeah I do realize it's about the programming paradigm NOT the language
i mean C# and Java are multiparadigm
 
hi
 
@MadaraUchiha beautiful
@yeppe howdy
 
user406009
@Major0 Nah, C++ and assembly does not include either the strongly typed functional languages or the more dynamic languages.
 
3:59 PM
@yeppe English, please.
ths is nt engls
 
@Major0 not really
 
1 message moved to JS trash
 
@Major0 lambdas is the bare minimum for functional, really
 
@Loktar done
 
Idk but in my perspective learning C++ and assembly builds the basic programming concepts in ya. And gives you confident for overcoming anything new (and new paradigm)
 
3:59 PM
morning lemon
 
that's how I see it
 
:) @Nick your name is inverted so you type you name in inverted japan.. jkk
 

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