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19:00
@AwalGarg That is beautiful
@SecondRikudo and very much real ;p
@SecondRikudo depends...
You can output to stderr and use 2> to output to a file, or you could use some logging lib to have more fine-grained control...
!7!!!
... I've missed you today while I've been actually getting shit done.
Yeah... Got too much shit done personally
Like, I gave an estimate of 3 days, it's already done...
In less than a day...
Boss doesn't have to know that ;-)
19:03
@FlorianMargaine But that's... exactly the question XD
Which should I do?
Also, what kind of more fine-grained control?
@JonathanSampson got it?
it's 3pm but I really have to poop
!!be in agony for two hours or drive home and poop
@rlemon drive home and poop
good call Cap
Like if you want debug/notice/warning/error
19:04
@AwalGarg Got it. Thanks!
Don't ask whether he has a slide at home. Don't ask whether he has a slide at home. Don't ask whether he has a slide at home.
!!afk 26 minute round trip
y no poop at work?
@RyanKinal new job, I don't feel like slacking :p
19:05
@NickDugger Pooping at work is something you don't do
I pooped at work when I had diarrhea. It simply couldn't wait.
@FlorianMargaine you always need to pad your LOE's imo
I poop at work every time
Feels so good to be paid to do shit
lol
@rlemon You were also running IE11 on Windows 7, but were unable to repro @AwalGarg's issue, right? Could you also shoot me the results of dxdiag on your machine?
19:06
@copy meow
@FlorianMargaine Yeah, that's fair
@JonathanSampson What issue again? Let me see if I can repro
@JonathanSampson Do you also look at Windows issues unrelated to IE? (I have one which relates to this viewport redrawing issue)
@AwalGarg Please email it to me :)
19:10
@SecondRikudo There was an issue with the Emulation tab in IE11 on Windows 7 causing numerous viewport artifacts to be rendered. See @AwalGarg's screenshot from above.
(and they disappear on window resize and a very zoomed in version appears similar to that of rlemon)
nvm found it
F12, Ctrl+8 :)
No repro on my end as well
@AwalGarg The "zoomed in" issue is due to stretching the smaller resolution out over the full width of the browser window. It's the opposite of what we'd classically see on iOS where larger sites were squished down into the smaller screensize.
19:13
hmm
Hey guys, does anything look suspicious here as to why the ajax function isn't running for some people, but it runs for me?
$(function() {
	$("button").on("click", function(e) {
		e.preventDefault();
		$("#flavor").text("You cast your "+$(this).data("pitchforks")+" at the Pumpkin King!");
		var eid=$(this).data("enemy");
		var fork=$(this).data("pitchforks");
		var pid=$(this).data("player");
		setTimeout(function() {
			$.ajax({
				type:"GET",
				url:"http://phantasyrpg.com/pitchfork.php?eid="+eid+"&pitchfork="+fork+"&pid="+pid
			}).done(function() {
				location.reload();
			});
		}, 2000);
	});
});
They are getting the flavor text, so JS is enabled and jQuery is running, but it's like the ajax just isn't running
@SterlingArcher Did you try catching errors?
Did you try using php?
No, I probably should
@SterlingArcher Check console output. Check expiration headers on the most recent responses; first two things I'd check.
19:16
expiration headers? Alrighty
@JonathanSampson How do I send you my dxDiag.txt?
@SterlingArcher Perhaps it's possible the browser is opting to not make the trip on account of caching directives.
@SecondRikudo Email to [email protected]
@JonathanSampson that sounds very complicated for a simple XHR D:
@JonathanSampson Sent
@AwalGarg I wasn't able to repro the issue you are seeing; I setup a Windows 7 x64 box with 1gb of ram and Internet Explorer 11 - no repro. I'm wondering if it may be related to your graphics card at this point.
19:17
@SterlingArcher what browser are they using? Because ie8 & 9 only allow cross-origin ajax via jsonp... which I'm sure you already know, just reiterating just in case
&callback=?
@SterlingArcher The XHR is handled by your browser; your browser respects HTTP Response headers... :)

Sterling Archer should be using PHP

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@SecondRikudo boooo
19:18
@NickDugger You can use XDomainRequest for cross-origin requests not using jsonp in IE8 and 9.
@JonathanSampson I think it may be easier for me to not use JS here then lol
@JonathanSampson I'm gonna not even try to argue, but I will say that I've not experienced it any other way
I have no idea how many players could be expiring headers
@JonathanSampson hmm, I sent you a more detailed report.
@NickDugger No need to argue :) It's the typical "Plan B" for so many. jQuery was asked over and over to support it officially but decided not to do so.
19:20
lol, I meant I wasn't gonna argue with someone smarter than me, but yeah
@AwalGarg Thank you; I also received @SecondRikudo's as well.
@SterlingArcher Unrelated: 2s is a really long delay for an attack to be sent
@NickDugger Hah. I am not nearly as smart as you think ;)
@JonathanSampson yw
19:20
@SecondRikudo yeah, I'm rethinking how I'm doing this
@JonathanSampson sure, but I'm pretty dumb. Just ask @rlemon
@JonathanSampson Clearly... you work for Microsoft...
haha j/k
I mean, wtf is the point of an XHR if I reload the page when it's done?
Assuming your info is even true.
@twiz I see what you did there ;)
19:21
@JonathanSampson Well, you're working to improve IE. I don't know about smarts, but there be balls.
@JonathanSampson balls of steel brah
IE is cancer to my soul
@twiz Say what you want about Microsoft, they pay you 16 craploads a year.
@JonathanSampson thanks for that Xbox One MSIE change log from a while back. I guess it makes sense to not have javascript prompt on Xbox One
@NickDugger stuck in 2009?
19:22
@ircmaxell Exactly. Users who are stuck in 2009 and use IE are cancer to our souls.
@ircmaxell Just because it sucks less now doesn't mean that it doesn't suck... but, yes, I am
@NickDugger Let me know when you run into issues with Internet Explorer (twitter: jonathansampson, email: [email protected]) and I will personally advocate for you internally.
@JonathanSampson The problem with IE isn't IE11, it's pretty decent
@NickDugger he's not lying, we tweetered about IE rollback version testing
well, I have more trouble on average with Safari than IE
19:22
@JonathanSampson Were you involved in adding auto-update to IE? Because that's probably the greatest thing to ever happen with IE.
@NickDugger You'd be amazed at how many problems you find with all browsers when you spend your day trying to find problems in browsers (like me, many days) :)
@ircmaxell I will agree that safari has plenty of quirks as well
@JonathanSampson yeah, but they're not IE. lol
It's those users (plus all the governments and corporates which Microsoft payed off) which are still stuck with IE8 (at best) on windows XP.
@JonathanSampson any plans for webrtc?
@twiz I was working with Microsoft as a contractor when auto-updates got worked into IE10.
19:24
@JonathanSampson off-topic, but, why is the next Windows going to be Windows 10, and not Windows 9?
@taco 7 ate 9
@JonathanSampson Here's an idea. Just make IE9- not work anymore. At all. Show a "UPDATE NOW OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL CATCH FIRE" message, and the problem solves itself :)
because marketing people are silly...
that's probably why
Auto updates to IE was the best decision the IE team has made in forever.
19:24
@taco Oh, that's because Microsoft hired all of the PHP core team to work on naming the next version.
lol
@AwalGarg I added WebRTC to our UserVoice last night. We are tracking both WebRTC and ORTC.
@NickDugger moving to chrome was the best decision the IE team has ever made :-P
10 does sound cooler
@JonathanSampson ahh nice
19:26
Rejected names for Windows 10: Windows ME 2.0, Windows for Workgroups++
@taco ...because seven ate nine. Sorry, had to say it. I'm not sure of every reason behind the version-leap, but I can say that the work involved in the next version was pretty incredible, and I'm not mad that they broke-sequence to name it "10". I honestly don't know what the specific thoughts were for doing so though.
@SecondRikudo I guess you would want to upvote this one
Windows Next
@AwalGarg I don't know
You don't know
19:27
I'd much more appreciate an instant updating view of what I'm typing and editing in realtime.
@JonathanSampson yeah, marketing is silly sometimes, but it makes sense
@SecondRikudo no... please no.
Emmet could work, but I'm not sure it's that much substantial of a feature.
@SecondRikudo You would have multi-trillion dollar companies ceasing to function within minutes if that were the case. Your cable company would probably shut down operations immediately, as would your gas provider, etc. If we were to make IE9 and below stop working (not that we even could), it would lead to the rise of the Zombie apocalypse for certain.
The most logical reason I read was that the new version of windows is meant to be the last version they are going to give a number to. Apprently they didn't want to be stuck on 9 forever
19:28
@JonathanSampson Like I said, the problem solves itself.
@SecondRikudo Fairly certain there's a good chance your ISP might be affected as well ;)
More Rejected names for Windows 10: Windows.Facebook.com Windows.com, PCMasterRace 1.0
Windows#
IE 9 is ok. That is the version when MS started to realize things. Not much of a hassle supporting it.
but no IE8 and below.
@AwalGarg I've seen companies (including the one I work for) who take such pride in supporting IE8
19:29
I'm sure they named it windows 10 to make it more hip and cool, like OSX. Now it's WindowsX (in roman numerals)
I suggested we call it Windows 10.000000000000000333, you know, for those IEEE fans out there :)
@SecondRikudo yeah cus it comes with win7, the giantly used OS.
We don't support mobile which is 50% usage, because that's impossible with all the crap we have, but we support IE8 at <1% usage, so that's something
@SecondRikudo If by "support" you mean "make it reasonably usable", I guess that's not completely insane.
Hey, mobile is 50% usage where I work too. We didn't go mobile first, but we are spending a lot of time on making it look really sharp on mobile
19:31
Assuming you have a lot of IE8 users...
WindowsX sounds like a Rob Zombie movie
Lunch time for me, folks. I'll be back on later. Please feel free to shoot me any thoughts/comments/complaints about Internet Explorer: [email protected], or on twitter: jonathansampson.
@twiz No. Support = all features working, looks exactly like all other browsers.
It is such a relief IE mobile started at IE10... I can't, I just CAN'T think of IE8 mobile... such a horror it would be!
@JonathanSampson I love your shameless self promotion <3 have a good lunch!
19:31
Follow me on shitter: @AlecBaldwin
@SecondRikudo Haha ok, well that's pointless. Do you know what percentage of the users use <IE9?
@twiz I don't know how many IE8 users we have.
@SterlingArcher Versus not inviting feedback at all? :D
Well, to be fair, I would laugh just as hard if you said
But I do know that up until several weeks ago, my company didn't count clicks coming from iPhone xD
19:32
gnight guys
cya tomorrow
ok, cya @JonathanSampson
> Please feel free to never contact me about IE
I would simply die laughing
have fun @JonathanSampson investigating things :)
19:32
@SterlingArcher I think the IE team tried that message in the past; didn't go well ;) I'm looking to change things :)
LOL go eat :P
Come back soon, I like you
if IE doesn't get promises soon (without a plugin/polyfill), I'm gonna burn down the MS offices.
When did promises become a thing? Never heard of it until a few months ago
Great poop :)
@NickDugger Is that a thing in any browser? haha
19:35
@twiz chrome and FF
hmmm I didn't realize that
Once I used promises for the first time, now I can see use-cases for it everywhere. They're amazing.
I bet
I'll learn how to use them someday. I'm mostly backend
I use them in node a lot
Easier/cleaner error handling
I find them most useful for image loading
so far, anyways
19:38
I should add nothing I work on uses javascript on the backend
If I used it, it'd be to cut down on my code going horizontal. I have a mongo call that's a nesting cluster fuck in my node app.
Holy fuck my eyes
Ever been so concentrated on your shit that you find your face like.. 3 inches from the fucking screen
um no lol
maybe back when I was doing pixel art, but never coding.
I was going ham
Y'all need to get on my level
Sometimes my face actually goes through the screen. I go in.
19:50
@djfrsn Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
@SterlingArcher It's not a vagina, back a way a little bit
GOSH YOU'RE SO SEXIST YOU PIG GOSH WHY ARE YOU OPPRESSING ME
Imagine coding with some hot girls legs over each shoulder. That would be awesome
My ex gf would used to tease me when I was coding
Because I simply would refuse to pay attention to her
Is that why she's the ex?
Wife is like that with me now, but I make time for her with a sigh
/jokingly
19:54
No, after a while she would simply close my computer and ... snuggle..
But then she ended up cheating on me a couple months later
And now she has 2 kids with her step-brother
Close your computer? I would've slapped her
So i'm glad I'm out of that one
@djfrsn that was the plot to at least one game i've played in the past month
with a backhand
happens more often than you'd think apparently
19:55
I had a friend who closed her friends laptop.... I basically realized she was a bitch at that point. :|
She's one of those people who tells you to not look at your phone
i have a laptop with a broken screen i got for free from some guy whose girlfriend supposedly slammed it down while he was typing for some reason
Woah... she had kids with her step brother? Freaky...
haven't gotten around to fixing it, nor did i know the guy very well at all or why he gave the laptop to me
nor have i spoken to him since
My wife is perfect. We give each other space and talk about making time, not forcing it
people just give me free laptops for some reason
19:57
you could probably replace the screen if it's a dell or a popular brand
@NickDugger yeah dude, it's really gross
let me check
She was so hot to, it's a damn shame
acer
@SterlingArcher I can't even imagine what their parents' reaction was...
19:58
I once dated a girl who brought her cousin along a few times... didn't even think about it at the time....
I can probably take a guess
is this real life?
A Microsoft developer explains in a Reddit thread why Windows 10 is called Windows 10. http://t.co/qJFi8yJEJg
Her dad was the president of a biker gang faction
And cheated on his wife all the time
and loved me
@Loktar hahaha that's amazing
@SterlingArcher you dodged such a fucking bizarre bullet. bro-props.
19:59
@Loktar lol
But she most likely lied and said I did something and she broke up with me
the only solutions I could think of were 1. they were trying to avoid any perceived inferiority from apple being at OS X and windows "only" being at 9, or 2. some strange legacy issues
@NickDugger I was so blown. She was an athlete and everything and I was just her pothead mantoy xD
infoworld.com/article/2613504/microsoft-windows/… "Microsoft skips 'too good' Windows 9, jumps to Windows 10" (april fools joke from last year)
i'm glad it wasn't some stupid marketing thing
19:59
But definitely a mullet dodged
.. I'm going to leave that typo there
It amuses me.
I bet the kids you would've had with her would've had mullets
I was probably a couple weeks away from knocking her up on accident
But at least the kid would have had great hair
Your reminiscing is making me remember how much of a lonely fuck I am. Yay, pitty party
y u no b social D:
order a hooker or something
on tinder, all they want is "roses" for sex
Which of course literally means roses
20:17
lol
Yo guys I want to set an variable in an external script.. I have this
<script src="stream.js">streamer = "<?php echo $streamer; ?>";</script>

I've also tried the var streamer
In Atlanta, some gas stations sell $1 roses vases with a fake rose in them. The vase is a crack pipe.
@TomášAresakMalčánek sounds like a PHP issue
Wait, why are you using src
don't do that. put it in a new script tag
huh?
just like <script>blah blah...?
I don't want to mess the page
20:20
@SterlingArcher wanna give a brotha a cv ^^?
@TomášAresakMalčánek yeah it has do with with the way javascript loads. It is probably loading before your streamer.js script is loaded. So put the code in a different script tag and in a document.ready method
@TomášAresakMalčánek script tags with a src value don't execute the contents
you need two script tags
I almost sound like I know what I'm talking about
thanks @rlemon
You son of a bitch
basically the only things you should put there are comments if you need them
20:23
God dammit
<script src="foo.js">// this is XYZ</script>
I'm going rick roll my foot in your ass one day, brah
lol ok guys got it. Thx for the help as always!
Maybe one day I will learn the basics lool
Anyway I'm going to sleep right now, I'm tired so night everyone
@SterlingArcher :D:D
I got the php room as well
@TomášAresakMalčánek goodnight sweetie
tucks @TomášAresakMalčánek in
20:27
It's a bit odd how we can't access a loaded script's content. Even same-origin ones.
Javascript is a bit odd, really
Yes, but this oddity is in the DOM
jesus christ my mind is going to melt if i keep looking at this ERD
@JonathanSampson - Okay, I sent you an email containing my concerns with the Internet Explorer browser.
FYI, shellshock bug fix for OSX Mavericks support.apple.com/kb/DL1769
20:31
is find supposed to return a jquery node?
$().find() returns a jquery object that contains an array of elements matching the selector
@TravisJ Got the email; thank you!
@JonathanSampson - I hope it wasn't too long :)
@TravisJ I'm just getting back something like <div question>. Am I doing something wrong?
@corvid - Can you show the exact syntax?
20:37
@SterlingArcher what a twist!
var form = $('#myform');
var questions = form.find('.question');
@TravisJ I stopped reading after "My Dearest Rebecca, the winter is colder this year in Wilhelm. The dogs remain perched and guarding the remaining rations of food that we have left..." :)
@Zirak we can with es6 modules which we'll all use in 2050, also - ajax and eval and stuff.
@TravisJ I will certainly read your Novel this evening though :)
20:39
I don't get it why people hate IE so much.
They actually hate it.
btw guys, if you get a lot of "spam calls" during the day, bookmark this link. then when they call just play it and put the phone by the speaker. youtube.com/watch?v=ktwyvm1DI04&feature=youtu.be&t=31s
It's... odd.
@corvid - questions should contain the set of elements with class="question" inside of <form id="myform">. If there is only one, then it will be <div class="question">. If that div had an id of "matchedquestion", then the result would essentially contain $("#matchedquestion")
It works wonders!
@rlemon I talk back.
20:40
@BenjaminGruenbaum People are stupid and emotional.
@BenjaminGruenbaum I used too, now I just play them audio books
I always answer when spam callers call and then I make reasonable requests.
@JonathanSampson - I tried to expand as much as possible. the tldr; part of it is to remove the Update the OS code in IE :)
For example, I refuse to acknowledge them until they refer to me as "his majesty"
I refuse to speak to them unless their name starts with a M
@BenjaminGruenbaum These are your idea of "reasonable" requests?
20:41
I insist that they tell me a joke because that makes a conversation "funner".
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't like you as much as I should
Oh, and I ask them random trivia questions and when they don't know the answers I ask them to ask their coworkers.
@TravisJ Were you more specific about what the "update the OS code" is in Internet Explorer? I have only read three paragraphs, and was already wondering if you had some specific exploits in the past, or something else you could share.
> who won the 1964 super bowl? ohh you don't know? I'll wait.
20:42
@BenjaminGruenbaum What's hilarious, is that in many cases, phone agents are forbidden from hanging up.
When they call with automated messages, I call them back after I find their real number on every compile when I wait.
So, I'd call them maybe 60 times asking them trivia, asking them about the meaning of life and telling them how awesome my dog is. There are a bunch of places here who are really sure who's a good boy.
aaand now I realize I just trolled myself.
I've been listening to the great gatsby for 5 minutes now
@JonathanSampson - The background included points to the exploits used, which include bypassing the sandbox and executing code from the browser's runtime environment which contains access to updating the operating system included in the Internet Explorer 4 code.
@rlemon Same here.
When I get scam calls, I go into full PI mode: docs.google.com/document/d/…
20:44
Well, however many minutes since you linked it. It makes good background noise.
@ampersandre hope not to be too forward, but can I please know about the hair / beard colour difference?
natural? dye? photoshop?
Oh, movie recommendations are also a great conversation topic when talking to sales.
When I really don't feel like talking to them I do a Seinfeld.
> Believe it or not Benji isn't at home...
ahaha I forgot about that
I still love Georges answering machine :P
I really can't stand Jason Alexander in any other role
George is the only role I like him in. every other time he makes me angry
@ampersandre ahaha I see now github.com/ampersandre/beard-simulator
nice
hard to line up
is it 5 yet?
@Loktar see this: codepen.io/thepheer/pen/yfkoC
2
looks neat
!!afk haircut,home,hot damn

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