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20:00
if by my entire office, you mean me, yes
@rlemon nice!
@AwalGarg was bored
why are C static libraries frowned upon :(
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Zack Saucier? Mosho? Didnt you say Florian works with you?
@rlemon very nice work. I hope I knew as much as you do...
20:00
nono
@AaronSiciliano he lied
@FlorianMargaine I never said it :P
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@FlorianMargaine Or he never said it at all and i just thought that.....
he still lied
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@rlemon how's the battery life on that kudu been?
20:02
4ish hours of actual use
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I can almost buy a new laptop :)
Rlemon haunts Aaron's dreams... and mine too :D
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Damn that's awful
Right? Who wants to dream of canada..
it's a big laptop -- the smaller screens should get better battery
20:02
@RyanKinal you know MS, they're always trying to bind things and people..
everyone?
@Jhawins are you on the job market right now?
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@SomeKittensUx2666 Nope I am getting so close. <3 months
love months?
@rlemon why don't you merge your's and Caprica's account?
20:03
hehe
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Till I am 100% untied
@AwalGarg we've been over this
the bot needs her own account
really?
@rlemon do you have more stuff like the paperclip?
chat throttling, flags, etc.
20:04
ah right... I forgot. sorry...
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I don't dream of canada.... I don't dream of anything important enough to remember.....
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Crap i do dream of canada......
@SatA off the top of my head, can't think of anything -- but you can check out my codepen codepen.io/rlemon/public
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@rlemon Is that high use you'd say? Do you run it down fast or is that the best you can get
You can make a paper now.
20:05
@rlemon checking it out now..
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Stretching it could you possibly get to 6? Low brightness, power saving mode etc?
@AwalGarg ohh i've done that
show me show me
@Jhawins yea I have brightness full, backlit keyboard, etc
oh, so you're from canada! cheers to you :)
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20:05
Ah ok. That's more comforting.
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I'd like to think you could dual boot Chrome OS and use it as "travel mode" and save power
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Or similar
I'd feel weird using commands and @rlemon spits out the result. I would feel bad not buying him dinner before making him regex dirty things.
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I've never had a nice laptop only desktops
20:06
I would do it, but I'd feel bad.
now can you attach that paperclip to the paper?
@AwalGarg you'd have to make a hole in the paper
@rlemon very neat! how many years of experience do you have in this field? js/css
many
20:08
@SatA 42
but not seriously.
"Years of experience" are at best, a rough measure of skill.
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Fuck it. System76 isn't getting my money
lol
just me pissing around
20:08
@Jhawins System76 isn't the best for battery life
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@SomeKittensUx2666 why do you ask about job market?
@Jhawins try MSI
> Explain To Tenant Committee The Ducks Are Not Mine
lolol
Curious. I remember you interviewing with Grooveshark
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Yeah I wanna stay <$1K but I want an i7 and dedicated graphics.
20:09
...6500 files pending checkin...
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And expandable RAM to 32gb but eh whatever comes stock is cool
@SomeKittensUx2666 that's right, but it does the job, any suggestions on how to get a better "measurement"?
@Jhawins go with something sold by HP , or msi
stackoverflow.com/questions/25557112/… guys what is form.all? I can't find any documentation because google is being retarded
20:10
keep in mind prices are Canadian
@SatA Look at their code
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@SomeKittensUx2666 Ah yeah, turned them down for 3 day fly out interview. They took a week to get back to me on every message and then they were quick as hell when I said no thanks.
ps why on earth would somebody buy a 17" laptop ?
@SomeKittensUx2666 correct, well I am doing that right now.. :)
number pad most likely
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20:11
Plus they're getting sued and the founder ring seems to be the people from many legal grey area business models that have failed. Rhapsody and others. They just redo the same thing over and over until the lawsuits > profit
@AbhishekHingnikar why would you buy anything less?
that will soon back-fire because of reduced mobility
screen real-estate is important
@SterlingArcher you can ask caprica to google for you.
@rlemon for a laptop , mobility
20:11
personal opinion ^
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@rlemon Nice! Not available in USA
my laptop is still highly mobile :P
@AwalGarg nono, I mean googling "javascript form.all" doesn't give the results you think it does
@rlemon i had a 15.6" laptop, it was hard to carry :-/
@Jhawins maybe not on Amazon
20:12
@rlemon how tall are you ?
a 7 kg laptop... phew!
get stronger :P
@SterlingArcher mdn?
@AbhishekHingnikar why does my height matter for my laptop?
@AbhishekHingnikar I have a 17" laptop and its great for programming, but very heavy
20:12
!!mdn form all
@rlemon my laptop bag was higher then my back :-/
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Right; Lots available from MSI though
i looked weird x)
mines 6lbs
@AbhishekHingnikar ohh so you are a hipster who just cares his laptop looks good ;)
nice
20:13
Nothin
no it becomes pain to carry
i am tiny :P
Big laptops = big backpacks = pain in ass
so meh personal opinion
@SterlingArcher perfect.
17.6 backpacks are hard to find
^ I used that. [a better moidel though ]
I'm more content with a 2lb 11 inch laptop that I can lift with my testicles if required
20:14
I use a laptop case anyway
not that one exact, but similar
what am i asking
@SterlingArcher I couldn't work on it
not at all
Understandable, it's better for lightweight work
I am happy with no laptops :P
Lightweight work is 90% of what I do, so it's worth it to keep a light small device
20:15
2 massive desktops at home \o/, 1 is friends which i am building that has dual 780 ti :-x
That's why I'm considering buying a chromebook tomorrow
@SterlingArcher I have 12.5"
@SterlingArcher get an mba ?
You saying you're bigger than me? >=(
whats the point of buying a cb ?
20:16
yep
@AbhishekHingnikar price vOv
@AbhishekHingnikar had one, miss her dearly. Orange juice slayed my MBA
ha! my 17.3" towers over you both
Freak
That's too big
@rlemon my 24" mobile screen, slays yours tha way :P
that's not a mobile device
20:17
sure it is.
to move around an 17" laptop you need dunno a trolley
i can technically lift this screen xD
just because you guys don't remember the days when a laptop was that size... with a 6" screen
@AbhishekHingnikar Why would one buy a cb? Node passes 'em around all the time
@SomeKittensUx2666 lmfao
20:17
it's a 6lb laptop
@rlemon yeah and you know technology has moved forward a bit
don't be pansies
also, most Chromebooks are not targeted toward tech-savvy people
@BartekBanachewicz yea and that is why I prefer a full sized display :P
like what specs does this 17" thing of yours have
20:18
^ very very true
instead of your baby little displays
@SterlingArcher save for a mba/p
wait we're not talking about penises?
@BartekBanachewicz system 76 kudu
@rlemon 17" and "full sized" don't go well together
20:18
@AbhishekHingnikar if I got another one, it would be very expensive. I may just go for a gaming desktop
seriously one I had one 17" screen in what, 2002?
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@rlemon I want this
windows would be better there, and cheaper
@SterlingArcher then get your current one fixed ?
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20:18
@SterlingArcher lift that with your testicles ^
@Jhawins easy peasy son
lol
@AbhishekHingnikar she's old. I'd rather get a chromebook and save for a desktop instead of a new laptop
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It's like $4K
better graphics, a mouse, etc
My balls don't care how much it costs dammit!
20:20
@SterlingArcher that old mac will be still more usable then chromebook... just saying :P
old macs were terrible
@AbhishekHingnikar well how much would it cost to clean and repair a fried motherboard from OJ?
it's sticky af
@SterlingArcher ask apple.com ?
@rlemon okay they actually put decent configurations in those.
it's a great laptop (so far)
20:21
And let one of their "geniuses" pester me with protection plans? Fuck no
probably as much as the chromebook xD
haven't had it for a very long time.
but a lot of people have 17" weaker than my Yoga and that's hilarious
Also it's been a month I think and I am in love with my thinkpad too
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Honestly Toshiba has some nice stuff now
20:22
windows is annoying at places but otherwise it's really nice
Bartek's laptop isn't that great but at least it's......functional!
!!rimshot
And the dock is a real lifesaver at work
@SomeKittensUx2666 :D
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I want that one
@jhawins get it :P
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20:23
Too effortless
stackoverflow.com/questions/25557344/… when noobs think they they master...
@SterlingArcher commend baleeted
data Move = Move Point Point
isValid :: Move -> GameState -> Bool
validate :: Move -> ValidMove
move :: ValidMove -> GameState -> GameState
hmm I think this looks good
20:28
lol
@Flextra Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
what'd be the best way to use a css file installed via an npm package? refer to the node_modules/ seems wrong
20:31
();
@limelights not sure I understand, may be over my head
Guys, stop making fun of him just because he talks with a lisp.
I wish I got that joke
but no. woosh.
@Sterling, i installed a css file via npm. and now i wanna use it, i could refer to the node_modules/css-package-directory/ in my href attribute, but that seems wrong.
Yeah, that's probably wrong
20:33
Language ADA still used in a complex industrial production
I'm confused as to why there's a CSS file in a node module, though
((there's no) (shame) ((in talking with) a lisp))
It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should happen
oh lisp the language
@RyanKinal Headless browser?
20:34
Alright, I suppose that's a possibility
@RyanKinal Just for example, PureCSS is installable via NPM, so is Normalize.css :)
Copy it to a public directory as part of your build process?
:shrug:
@Flextra "still"? it's a modern language
@RyanKinal Yeah, i'm leaning towards that but I wanted to ask before I wrote.
20:36
> "nope nope nope nope nope nope"
((i'm not sure)(about) (whether i'm writing)(this sentence)(correctly or not)(on a lisp(language)))();
(and also not sure about the English literacy)
4 gb of vram
@Flextra you like JIRA?
@BartekBanachewicz do games actually end up using even close to 4 GB or vram ?
like seriously 4 GB on gpu ?
@SomeKittensUx2666 JIRA as in the ticket manager software?
If so, <3 JIRA
20:39
@SomeKittensUx2666 i like it, but i'm not sure i'm having alot of experience with this
Your avatar looks like it's from there
@AbhishekHingnikar they prolly use as much as possible vOv
there's no reason to not use the available RAM
@BartekBanachewicz but what do they fill it with ?
@SomeKittensUx2666 our company has implemented it in work cycle not so far ago... and about avatar - i created it in online flat avatar generator
@SomeKittensUx2666 :)
20:41
@AbhishekHingnikar textures and models?
@AbhishekHingnikar git won't scale?
@Neil as in for the use-case :P
syncing first few photos will become a pita :P, it will have to finish the whole fetch (:
Facebook's git repo is 54 GB. http://t.co/zLNSzDlFYF
@AbhishekHingnikar if you think you can do better then
20:42
holy fuck
@SomeKittensUx2666 and facebook re-wrote mercurial (some part)
to address issues they started having with git.
@Flextra arousing
@Neil na-uh i can't defeat git ... like ever :P i agree that but just for syncing photos .. idk x) git archive makes me wanna give it a try but then the issue is how the architechture will work [as in where will i store the git repo itself ]
you use md5 to determine if an image is the same as another
20:44
That picture looks like voldemort post nose-job surgery
and the repo itself, uh I don't know
And pre-ear alignment surgery
@Neil oh don't worry about that :D i have a better algorithm for that
@SomeKittensUx2666 :-|
first checks hash then phash (stores the index). if not same.. let go
20:45
I got invited to a Facebook happy hour to "meet the frontend team" (i.e. "get recruited")
didn't go, too far out of my way
:O
show off :-/
I wanna create a twitter for the brain
Where people think and it tweets.
No longer will we live in a world of secrets
@copy tried to hire me, but I had to turn him down. I think the position is still open if anyone else is interested. copy.sh/jobs
15
@rlemon god dammit.. #ilost
@rlemon I fell once.
Then I fell another time.
This was the last time though.
20:48
@FlorianMargaine copy is clever. He'll get us again
how to make something good for windows using node-webkit.
build the required native modules for mac, or using clang , run emscripten... publish them
@FlorianMargaine oh wow
@FlorianMargaine its too hot to make a hot product ps most of my code is written in python which node-webkit just starts ^^
^ horrible mess, but python world doesn't had a good enough solution like node-webkit
21:01
well, my question certainly gives debate
2
Q: Why are C static libraries frowned upon?

Florian MargaineThere are 2 arguments for having shared libraries: It helps reduce disk space. When a shared library is updated, all the binaries depending on it get the update. There is mainly one drawback for shared libraries: They introduce dependency hell. On desktop computers, the 1st advantage do...

lol TIL Lens is called "jQuery of Haskell"
IT'S DONE!! 7600 files pending checkin.
thanks npm_modules, you're helping
node_modules.
@FlorianMargaine I think you only look at libraries used by millions of people (where the size makes a difference)
But if you write a library for yourself, you might as well compile it statically
How do you un set document.getElementById('confirmMessage').style.color? Setting it to null is resulting in "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'style' of null" Other parts of the code are setting it to either green or red (their hex values), and I'd like to unset it to "nothing" (which I guess means transparent). confirmMessage is <span id="confirmMessage" class="confirmMessage"></span>
21:05
> On desktop computers, the 1st advantage doesn't really hold anymore.
Um, my disk is always full
> Some things like Hangouts, voice search and auto-updates obviously require an Internet connection.
lol google is funny
@FlorianMargaine Yeah, size still matters
@KendallFrey sorry, everybody has more than 4GB these days.
@copy no, really.
Same question for backgroundColor, although setting that to null is "working" (not crashing).
21:06
@FlorianMargaine I have 500 GB and just recently had to delete more stuff
For instance my Desktop is so small (with all applications), I can clone it in a short amount of time and put it into a VM
really?
what kind of things do you guys have
@copy whats the chosen deployment strategy for python powered applications [on windows] ?
cx_freeze ? re-distributing python with NSIS ?
No idea, I haven't developed on or deployed to windows in years
21:08
I am using python { mdns / flask } for the whole app logic
this is wrapped inside node-webkit, it just feels wrong :-/
node-webkit, python ... ugh x_x
there is no way i am getting this done in javascript [natural is leagues behind, scipy has nothing even comparable, oh and imagining this mess in js scares me]
any suggestion ? /cc whole room
Are you mixing two topics?
no.
The app uses a python server running as a daemon for sync and other stuff, html5 displays the ui.
Oh, get rid of html and use a graphical toolkit
@copy suggest/link me a good one ?
I can't because I don't know
21:12
^ I saw this but the apps done with it look horrific.
@FlorianMargaine I agree with the first paragraph of the answer
@copy same, but it's still quite clear that static linking is frowned upon. Just look at the packages in main distributions.
It's not generally frowned upon. They just chose to do it consistently this way
And they already have the technology to handle dependencies
yeah...
when I think about it
fedora is actually going even further than I
since it's going to have one lxc per app
is there like something like liteweight chrome ? which is re-distributable ?
21:18
no
unless you mean qt webkit stuff?
@FlorianMargaine qt is too much
@FlorianMargaine Source?
i just want something that i can start by python and loads up a webpage :-/
python's native thing can work but :-x it might open Internet Explorer 8 :x
@copy sure, let me find it
today's film suggestion?
21:19
@AbhishekHingnikar You can make Chrome a dependency and then start it in application mode
@copy that will require chrome installed though right ?
Yes
that can be done with NSIS ( nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page ) :x
cc @BenjaminGruenabaum ^
ctrl + f this: So to achieve this we have decided on a set of core technologies
21:22
I see
Probably makes sense for developers
yeah they're going like "keep using old-ways, we'll take care of the rest"
> The Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF) is a simple framework for embedding Chromium-based browsers in other applications.
Hello!
i'm trying to use google api
keep getting 401 (Unauthorized)
anyone can advise on this, i don't know where to get through this being authenticated
Hi Joe
21:30
I love this picture
and good night :)
Hi @copy
can you advise please?
No
Here's my code:
$.ajax({
dataType: "json",
url: "https://www.googleapis.com/calendar/v3/users/me/calendarList/<calendarID>?key=<my api key>",
success: function(result){
$('#result').html(result);
}
});
what am i doing wrong here
@JoeSaad look up "same origin policy"
where would that be?
i did look up.. would that be the problem
seems like i'm not using the authentication right, right?
i don't know
21:41
@JoeSaad <calendarID>...
21:57
yes
which is my google email basically
@FlorianMargaine except it's not true. 1ml of water is not exactly 1 gram. There's an error there because the gram is defined by a platinum sphere, not a relation to water...
22:15
@JoeSaad Oh good, I presumed you were stupid and hadn't changed that, not that you were not stupid and were purposefully hiding it from us!
22:33
What are those constants in getLum?
Isn't a gram the amount of carbon atoms in a mol or something?
Relative luminance follows the photometric definition of luminance, but with the values normalized to 1 or 100 for a reference white. Like the photometric definition, it is related to the luminous flux density in a particular direction, which is radiant flux density weighted by the luminosity function of the CIE Standard Observer. The use of relative values is useful in systems where absolute reproduction is impractical. For example, in prepress for print media, the absolute luminance of light reflecting off the print depends on the illumination and therefore absolute reproduction cannot be assured...
Wait, don't mind me I'm after beers.
Oh, didn't know that word
Good to know
Oh wait, it's defined as 12 grams in a mol of carbon
 
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23:51
@SimonSarris @Loktar either of you know why this only works in Chrome jsfiddle.net/rlemon/4qve6m49/4
ff only shows first frame (IE as well it seems)
@rlemon Works in Opera, fwiw
opera users Blink no?

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