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21:00
@BartekBanachewicz That's not my problem is it.
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Is there a reason I should care?
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!!afk looooool
somebody here doesn't know flags don't work
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It'll be invalidated soon, most likely.
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That or you'll get an auto-suspension. WHich has happened wrongly to a few of us. Ping a mod in the Tavern on Meta if it happens and they can get you sorted out.
Does anyone know how to go about doing something like i describe here: wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/130585/…?
My experience in backbone is null ... so tips / advice would be great. Thanks!
I've got a pretty good grasp on here things are called ... but, I guess what my main question is how do you reference a view (in a custom .js file) and change it for your needs.
@Jhawins it's strange: on the mac it doesn't work, but it does on iPad...
Try iPhone
@Jhawins oh ok! got it! thx... and I imagine there is no simple fix...
@SomeKittensUx2666 not really turing complete
21:16
@Jhawins yep, just like I thought, thx!
!!summon 1
!!afk back to pizza
WHAR BOT
In that CSS thing you have to do the pumping yourself
@KendallFrey CapricaSix is afk ragequit
um...
ok...
user1596138
21:19
@Cicada3301 The iPad you're using is likely running a newer version of Safari.
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Yeah, there's not a simple fix. This is one of those things. It can only get worse from here.
@SomeKittensUx2666 Turing complete Game of Life pattern: rendell-attic.org/gol/tm.htm copy.sh/life/?pattern=utm
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@copy Thank you, for crashing my browser. :P
@Jhawins Really? Damn …
Ah, not crash
user1596138
On second run it's working. Weird.
21:23
I know, not enough memory
Chrome "crashes" the tab when it can't allocate a large chunk at once
user1596138
Yeah. It's dumb.
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Doesn't help that Filemaker, Indesign, Photoshop, Excel etc. . . are running in the background right now :P
21:35
@Jhawins :(
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@BartekBanachewicz You get suspended?
@Jhawins the only moderator that was online was some java guy and didn't know me
@BartekBanachewicz Don't worry, it happens to everyone.
@copy once got banned for saying 'tits or gtfo'
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@BartekBanachewicz ThiefMaster is the room's moderator of choice. For future reference. :P
@Jhawins I pinged both him and our moderators.
:(((
user1596138
21:36
We bug him a lot, but he helps.
user1596138
Damn. Bummer.
@BartekBanachewicz Did you point out that Java sucks?
@copy stop making fun of me serious accident happened okay
That could have helped.
user1596138
@BartekBanachewicz He's not making fun of you...
21:37
@BartekBanachewicz What happened? Did you get hurt?
user1596138
He's making fun of Java.
user1596138
Also, chatrooms are not serious.
@copy 30-min ban hurt my feelings, certainly
Pussy
pop in Ubuntu 12.04 cd -> restart -> install along side windows -> next -> next -> next -> next (INSTALLED!) -> reboot -> no GRUB? no second OS? windows just boots -> device manager -> Ohh WONDERFUL! a 300gb partition (Raw) that I cannot access.
bots back up btw
fml
user1596138
21:41
@rlemon ...Nice.
I am at my the end of my rope man
if I can't get this shit working, and soon, I might just give up on programming.
user1596138
I'd access it from nix before calling it raw or inaccessible. The data is likely there. Windows can't view ext by default.
:/
@Jhawins it is supposed to be Ubuntu 12.04 fresh install
GRUB didn't take?
user1596138
Which is not accessible from Windows without modification :P
user1596138
Yeah, GRUB seems to do that often. I thought it was just me. I always install it separately from actually installing nix.
user1596138
21:44
I can't remember the name of the utility I usually use. I have it on a disc at home.
user1596138
Also, do you have EFI/Secure Boot? It causes problems too sometimes.
@BartekBanachewicz LOL you got banned?
From the chat? That's hilarious.
user1596138
21:46
I think you can still see it. I wouldn't know. I'm not an owner and can't see removed messages.
@Jhawins I don't see any message there?
user1596138
It got flagged and removed.
What message is before it?
user1596138
Basically it said "er, fuck you" I think.
link to message before it
user1596138
21:46
@BenjaminGruenbaum this one
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So demanding.
I still don't see it, but lol.
Also, @BartekBanachewicz you realize flags are chat wide right, so the people who validated it are just as likely loungers :P
also i got another 3d modelling commision
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Because I know how much it means to you :P
user1596138
21:55
Now you can read it saying "(removed)" :D
yall are still on this?
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Really though, you asked to see a message that a user got suspended for. Which means the message was removed :P
I just finished a work ticket and this is still going on lol
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Nah I was doing something else and just came back to it. I been workin
just because I now read the entire transcript up to that point to see what in the fuck was going on
..
awww
my tag update was too long
room topic changed to JavaScript: Javascript is Life. Life is Javascript. Please review the room pseudo-rules: rules.javascriptroom.com. Don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help. [ecmascript] [ecmascript-5] [no-fighting] [professionals-acting-12]
der we go
22:01
my boss just sent me a good link to learn how to use chrome dev tools
user1596138
@RUJordan You.... Y.. Wha..?
How is it possible that 2 console outputs produce different results
console.log(data.xf[i]['c'][0]);
	if (data.xf[i]['c'][0]=jsondata['jsondata'][0]) {
		console.log(data.xf[i]['c'][0]);
@Bartek Banachewicz Sorry if I was impolite earlier, but I had to do something urgently :( And thanks for your email! I'll rply to it later, but just a note - I am hoping for you to do only the WebGL part of the website, as I already have two other web developers who will work on the rest of the site, I aso have an artist who lives locally and uses Photoshop
@Jhawins ?
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@RUJordan I thought you were a senior dev?
22:04
@BartekBanachewicz cool
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Nah you're the one that's like 22. Nevermind. Nice.
@TimTimmy okey.
I'm a junior dev, and I didn't say I personally didn't know dev tools (I know the console, elements, and network tab etc) but I want to know more.
@BenjaminGruenbaum apparently I'm a recognized 3d modeller
@Bartek Bye for now!
22:05
The link was more for people who don't use dev tools or want to know more
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Actually.... @Cicada3301 you were looking for tools/resources to learn from. This would probably be a great help to you. I myself am going to run through it too because there's things I still need to learn. discover-devtools.codeschool.com
that was my last project
nice spine lol
(altough I didn't model that thing, I only animated it)
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@RUJordan No judgement, I agree. I'll run through it later. I know there's a lot of features I know nothing about.
22:06
@rodling the model itself was based on real body scans
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@BartekBanachewicz Where the hell do you work?
@BartekBanachewicz cool! medical imaging company?
It was used as a presentation for medicine students.
@Jhawins me?
@Jhawins at Intel. this was a side project
user1596138
22:07
Oh. Fun.
now I'm making a doghouse :D
how could identical console.log command produce different result, and not`this` isnt used
@BenjaminGruenbaum could you do me a favor and pin my dev tools tutorial link? I've watched one video and I already learned something and it also has challenges that are very handy. I think this might help a lot of people
Or maybe add it as a resource link @ rules.javascriptroom.com
@RUJordan where?
@Jhawins thx
22:09
discover-devtools.codeschool.com chrome dev tools tutorial
3
Oh yeah, I actually pinned that once already like half a year ago but sure I pinned it.
thanks :)
what are your thoughts on Dart, @Benjamin?
@BartekBanachewicz that's a rather complicated question :) There are a lot of things I really like in Dart and a lot of things I strongly dislike.
@RUJordan cool
Saved in my 'hopefully will check out later' tabs
22:12
lmao xD
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'd like to hear the latter part. Doesn't have to be lengthy, just the bullet points.
@RUJordan Recently signed up to codeschool. Not bad videos
also I'm not really interested in politics; what matters is the actual value of its design
@BartekBanachewicz optional typing is broken in dart, the minute you have any you have no typing (and no real type inference either). Syntax is clunky at points. Development cycle, tools and ecosystem are slow, broken and nonexistent respectively.
22:15
looks like a fail so far.
You didn't ask what I liked :P
@monners im kind surprised at this
They have promises baked in which is nice, the .. operator is nice, and => arrows of course, they have a lot of js.next things and a lot of nice stuff out of the box.
@BenjaminGruenbaum while we're at js.next, miszy sent me this on fb today mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2013-April/029949.html
I have a weird issue
22:17
@BartekBanachewicz old :P
Irony, I just did a chrome dev tool challenge in safari because I didn't notice what I was doing
@BenjaminGruenbaum a bit.
@BartekBanachewicz ES6 is nearly done
ES7 coming along nicely
@BenjaminGruenbaum I thought it's already everywhere :)
@BartekBanachewicz I never said it was everywhere, I said you can use most of it today :)
22:19
can anybody explain what is going on ?
@BartekBanachewicz what do you think about the C# null access operator? (""monadic null checking"" (hate that name))
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@AbhishekHingnikar You order Dominos enough to have it bookmarked? Nice.
why do i get the stylesheets for landscape and over 960px applied on landscape and 898px ?
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That I cannot help with. My ride is here. :P
user1596138
Later all
22:20
@Jhawins my bookmarks are messed up
and i stopped bothering about them but yeah am a valuable customer for dominos :P
@BenjaminGruenbaum Is that ???
keep in mind I don't know C#
@BartekBanachewicz No, ?? is the null-coalescing operator.
I mean var firstKid = elements?.Kids?.FirstOrDefault()?.Name ?? "No Kid";
@RUJordan Surprised by what, the quality of their videos?
yeah
@BenjaminGruenbaum if any is undefined, it evaluates to undefined?
looks a bit like Lenses + Maybe composition alright
22:26
@BartekBanachewicz null, but yeah.
well poor non-FP languages need tricks like that to stay sane
it's way less flexible, but I suppose that's C#'s goal in general
so it can be useful
Lol, I don't believe you believe that.
Please suggest a more flexible way :)
@BenjaminGruenbaum um, Lenses + Maybe composition?
i am not sure what are you asking now
@BenjaminGruenbaum why do you think it's bad?
22:29
@BartekBanachewicz what C# has or lenses + maybe?
Basically C# is introducing syntactic sugar for something and you're saying that's less flexible than something you could do before (yes, even in C#, in fact even StackOverflow has parts of code that work that way) - where the point of adding it is usefulness and syntactic readability.
chrome dev tools site is broken :\
The link posted earlier?
By RUJordan?
When you're done with the videos make sure to thank @PaulIrish next time he visits
The link seems to be working fine for me
22:38
Me too
how do I post an image here again?
@Cicada3301 make sure it ends with .png/.gif/.jpg etc
you can do mylink.com/pants#.png if needed (adding the extra #.png)
it's a .bmp.. anyway, i'll put it on my site and link to it
@BenjaminGruenbaum well, the point isn't that bad
22:43
I mean, C# is not a codegolf language
this is what happends when I use that link
It's a language for the masses
!!> "Are you still gone, Caprica?"
@DoorknobofSnow "Are you still gone, Caprica?"
someone unpin that message :P
22:44
@DoorknobofSnow ?
Ah
2 hours ago, by rlemon
Caprica is going offline for a bit - need to boot into Linux - VM is not cutting the mustard. Sorry - will be back up in ~1 hour
20 secs ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Ah
strange tho: when I check the dom it is plenty of divs and sections and stuff
16 secs ago, by Doorknob of Snow
7 secs ago, by Doorknob of Snow
:P
erm... that didn't turn out right
!!slidepoop
22:46
Mar 13 '13 at 1:40, by rlemon
(Random Fact, when rlemon was 13 he pooped on a slide. he isn't proud of it, but he felt it was time to confess. I'm sorry slide.)
hey @Miszy
!!artisticpoop
drinking tea above the pc in bed.. probably not really a clever thing to do
Hi @Cicada3301
22:49
otherwise would be too mainstream
hi @Miszy
Hi @Miszy Hi @Miszy Hi @Miszy
Why are you not replying @Miszy?
J/K that's cool lol, not stalking or anything @Miszy
@Miszy did you check your fb lately?
hi @Miszy
!!tell Miszy "Hi"
@DoorknobofSnow Command hi does not exist.
22:50
@Cicada3301 wth
@DoorknobofSnow Command "hi" does not exist.
@Miszy I tried to add you, but probably you didn't recognize the name
@Cicada3301 Or maybe I did.
or simply wouldn't want to add me
22:51
Hi @BenjaminGruenbaum, nice to see you too :D
@DoorknobofSnow you have echo
!!echo "Hi @Miszy"
"Hi @Miszy"
@BenjaminGruenbaum thanks :P
@BartekBanachewicz I know that message from es-discuss list is old, but still, that's interesting how much Google can force changes in EcmaScript. And today is the day I finally subscribed es-discuss :]
22:53
@Miszy good for you, enjoy the 10 emails a day out of which 9 are spam D:
@Miszy Or maybe you did
I made like the hippiest dog house ever
well, it doesn't have the roof yet
@BenjaminGruenbaum You're probably right and I'll leave after a week or so.
@BartekBanachewicz What? What is going on? :D
@BenjaminGruenbaum What do you think about Dart?
@Miszy ASP
43 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
what are your thoughts on Dart, @Benjamin?
@BartekBanachewicz Tell me you mean The University of Art or so, not ASP.NET :D
@BartekBanachewicz LOL
22:55
There was no question.
yes it's the Glorioustest University of Art
@Miszy darts needs to be big before it is big :P
@BenjaminGruenbaum I hope it won't :]
Honestly I'm not sure I do, competition is good. Google just announced like 2 years ago saying it's going to be da-bomb and replace JS and so far did little with it :P
So many pings...
22:58
Not as Google's child. But it is a very good idea to have some kind of alternative to JS, I agree.
But having Google as the only owner of the project leads to... yeah. You know.
Good old times when JS was invented, browser wars, lack of compatibility, Netscape Navigator vs IE etc.
@BartekBanachewicz UP TO SUBPIXEL LEVEL
What are you doing Banani?
@BadgerGirl a 3d model of a dog house
(not mine)
23:03
@Miszy what the
I have a Java book somewhere.
I have a pascal gamedev book
We all have some kind of wierd things around house, don't we?
@BadgerGirl because it's worth a crate of beer
23:04
I have a picture of copy holding his favorite Java book.
I have a pascal book too, and a basic one and even a Red Hat Linux 7 book.
@BadgerGirl pics or didn't happen.
@BadgerGirl do you have a picture of @BartekBanachewicz shirtless?
@BenjaminGruenbaum That too.
Just making sure.
I am slowly going crazy.. La la la la la
@Miszy I have two books on the java language (part 1 & part 2) both about that size.
My Comp Sci department was getting rid of them. Can't possibly imagine why.
23:15
hm actually this is a good exercise
so pulled out tera term.. outputting my commands from the beagle board to tera term and record the frame package as hex. (this isn't working when I use it in practice) - outputting the same commands from my windows application to tera term and record the frame package as hex.. it is the exact same bytes. identical. crc is the same as well.. one works and the other doesn't
also verified that the voltages are the same
when I issue a command from windows it sends back a response, when I issue the same command from linux I get nothing
there is no logical reason for this.
myself and a embedded systems engineer (30 years in the trade) have spent 10 days trying to figure it out
:(
Hey guys
Long time no see :)
So I have a small question with htaccess
So yea. If anyone has any sorta hardware experience and has any ideas for me
.
..
Damn... That wasn't expected.
(On mobile)
23:21
Lets say someone goes to a link site.com/directory/question and because it has /question/ in it
I once had a schoolbook if that makes you feel happier :D
how could I return a 404? Its not an actual directory though, its using mod rewrite
RewriteEngine on
## list uris which are supposed to return 404 are rewritten to a non-existent url which returns a 404 anyway - the server is supposed to respond with a 404**
RewriteRule ^(.*)/path-to/url-of-bad-page-i-want-to-see-gone-forever\.html$  example.com/nonexistent-file-which-gives-404.php
## custom error documents - note that you use only their uri - relative to the root (/) - NEVER use the fully qualified url with exampe.com part.
ErrorDocument 404 /error-404.php
@rlemon is there a way of doing a sort of wild card?
because the link after question can be anything
sure
the rule is a regular expression
23:25
RewriteRule ^(.*)/question
ErrorDocument 404 /error-404.php
Thats what I would put?
^(.*)/question/?.*
basically if question exists anywhere in the url.
^(.*)\/question/+?.*
actually use that
the first one would match /questionasdasdasd/
the latter will only match with /question/ in the url
hrm, depending on what you want to do actually (I don't know regexp that well)
^(.*)/question/?.*
that matches /question and /question/ and /question/anything
i'm not sure if the trailing slash is that important
yea. use that.
also, regexpal.com is a life saver when tinkering with regexp
I tried RewriteRule ^(.*)/question/?.*
all I got was a 500 error
Financial Times?
phew, finished
beer sweet beer
23:37
yea I don't know as much about regexp as maybe some others do @BrandonGelfand
probably best to wait around until @KendallFrey pops in
@KendallFrey I will forever use you are my regexp expert because of REBEL
uh I just spent like an hour of my life modeling
you did this to yourself.
I was supposed to code or something
@BartekBanachewicz like oil up and smile for the camera modeling?
@rlemon nah, 3d modeling
23:39
know anything about modbus rtu / serial ports / BeagleBone Blacks ??
I would be willing to listen to you bitch about JS for 2 hours if you figured out my issues
@rlemon I did some tweaking RewriteRule ^(.*)\/question/+?.* - [R=404,L,NC]
works
I will do some more work with it but for now it will do
Thanks for the help :)
np
glad I was of some help on this one
looks like I am gonna be here for a bit
My dad expects me to walk 30 miles home
...that's a bit long
lol
gonna wait for my mom
he just loves being an ass
23:45
@rlemon data rates or something like that? the emulator might be able to adjust where hardware can't
could you hook up a physical PC with a COM and set up real hw connection?
We've gone as far as overlaying the oscilloscope outputs in gimp and they are near identical (close enough for the oscilloscope range of error)
@BenjaminGruenbaum i hope all this is a troll
what's with npm hate?
npm is fantastic
… in case it works
@BartekBanachewicz it has 503s but they recently got like a shitload of money and much stronger servers
would anyone here use node with iis?
23:55
bundle install; // Have yet to run this without crazy issues
npm install; // only issues I've had is when I broke my environment again.
@Loktar NEVER, HEATHEN! BURN AT THE STEAK!
@Loktar iisnode , I do - why?
eh was j/w
Well cabal install is working flawlessly so far for me too
23:55
With Azure
it just seems icky to me
had a convo about it with an old coworker
It just works (tm) so never wondered about it
seems like a lot of added overhead
unless you are mixing node with .net I suppose
er using parts of node on a .net site rther like real time communication
@BartekBanachewicz between a physical computer (with *fake*serial ports actually. rs232->usb connector) I've written a c# application that communicates with it perfectly fine. it is what we use to set them up and test them actually. it uses a standard libmodbus implementation and we've recorded the package it sends to the slave.
On the other end of life we are using the BeagleBoard Black which uses Angstrom Linux. I am using node.js and the serialport package with a *supposed* standard modbus implementation (i've looked over most of the code that counts and it looks like it is solid). We've
I HAVE A LASER POINTER
ENDLESS FUN
23:57
^
TEN DAYS ON A SINGLE FUCKING BUG! AAAaaarrrrgggGGGGggg
...
@rlemon fake serial ports tend to be annoying
@BartekBanachewicz the fake one works. the physical one doesn't.
is it a desktop? they often have pins on the mobo itself
the plugin board for the beagle bone we've tested the serial connection
everything works 10/10
23:59
@rlemon I know some of those words
we've tested the voltages on both. both are +5,5 to -5
it is very frustrating because everything we've tried tells us that both are the same, and therefore both should work.

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