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10:00 PM
oh and please use the side view :<
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not really... Unless you read the meta question wrong... And the whole 3 hr long discussion here.
 
@rlemon urlplz
 
i mean in which the preview windows is of a decent height and in the side
 
@AbhishekHingnikar icon size should scale a bit imo or be smaller. Background should default to white imo
 
I will admit.. some things coldfusion does pretty well.
 
10:00 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum background of chrome ?
 
And I say that with a pain in my heart.
 
or the chat itself ?
i haven't chose the colors yet i am just creating a concept :D
 
Also I like the side bar. Text is only readable if it's that long (can't take up 100%) the sidebar can be used for additional info
 
@RUJordan Better visit the ER. Could be a heart attack.
 
@Bartek what are side effects of bitwise operations?
 
10:01 PM
as u can see i use colors to indicate how active a user is :D
 
user1125394
@BenjaminGruenbaum great
 
@AbhishekHingnikar ew
 
@FlorianMargaine please tell me you're kidding now (are there any?)
 
@KendallFrey I know right? But it turns out it's very easy to upload an excel sheet and turn it into a PDF. Like.. scary easy.
 
Also I like you the side bar. ?
 
10:01 PM
15 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
w/e you know I was joking, I have no idea
 
user1125394
always wanted to go in mongo
 
@Jhawins you can stop pinging me now I'm done discussing this with you
 
user1596138
@rlemon I just told you you were doing things the right way... I said you were right to tell me to stfu... I don't understand.
 
Anyone can answer this question? I'm sure plenty can.
 
10:02 PM
@FlorianMargaine Upset stomach, constipation, diarrhea, cold sweats, sudden death.
 
you have a very piss poor way of telling someone you agree with them then
 
@nderscore lol :D
 
user1596138
> At least in your position it makes sense for you to be telling me to stfu and such, there is a legitimate reason and the community agrees with you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz When used on a non-integer, truncation
 
Seriously, why are we disabling that feature?
 
10:03 PM
Are you two seriously still having this pissing contest?
 
user1596138
^ Pretty fucking straight forward
 
@copy that's on the return type, not a side effect
None of the operands get mutated and nothing else is. There can be side effects at the hardware level or whatever.
 
@Bartek bitwise operations do a ToInt32, allowing tricks like flooring
 
user1596138
If anyone is bored here's a transcript that'll make you laugh.
 
user1596138
10:04 PM
Probably at me.
 
@FlorianMargaine ah that's what you meant by "side-effects"
 
hey all, I have a question about javascript's variable scope. I'm trying to understand this here: jsfiddle.net/XpVb5/1 I can't quiet figure out how to change the object property without it changing for all other properties that it is assigned to as well...
 
I'm reading fIncls = map (\ve -> (*) <$> ve <*> fVat) vExcls now
@sadmicrowave poor sod.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum come on..
 
@FlorianMargaine he's kinda right
 
10:05 PM
@FlorianMargaine I've read about stranger stuff.
 
@SomeKittens Balpha never brought any legal aspects into this, you're arguing against a straw man argument. There are perfectly valid reasons to oppose the chat bot in this particular form, the auto-greeter is certainly controversial and the /fuckable command is at least in bad taste, if not worse. My main argument would be that interaction with a bot should be voluntary, and the auto-greeter violates that rule. — Mad Scientist 13 mins ago
@MadScientist you voluntarily accepted chat interaction by joining the chat. sorry. As for the questionable command that can be and will be removed. like I mentioned these are all plugins and each bot running said command took it willingly (or just didn't look). So it will have to be removed from each fork of the bot if we want it gone for good. — rlemon 28 secs ago
 
@Jhawins let it go man :P
 
saving to pocket...
 
user1596138
This is all because of a greeting, and our fuckable command.... Holy shit I'm done wasting my life. Time to go home.
 
10:06 PM
god I don't know how I could live w/o this piece of software
 
@BartekBanachewicz sorry I forgot your link
 
@Jhawins that really wasn't funny, I got bored halfway through and now I want to smoke because of @rlemon.
So.. shit.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i am sorry i ama have to go now :(
its 4 am i need sleep :P
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Good night! Get some sleep
 
user1596138
@RUJordan Doesn't really make a difference to me at this point.
 
10:07 PM
@rlemon thanks anyway.
 
i will get it done by tomorrow
 
iirc i have layout that you guys can use though :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm the one who shared this story here :p
 
but its not designed for a full blown chat , its rather an embeddable
 
10:07 PM
Meh. You linked it. You reap it.
 
The most impressive for me was the git dev
 
@FlorianMargaine I friend showed me, cool though :)
 
wait lemme show
 
So I know several people here are room owners.. what does that mean? What do they do/how does one "own" the room?
 
user1596138
The interwebs have royally pissed me off. Mainly @rlemon, who I have also pissed off. How many of these little episodes have we had? I won't accept full responsibility, but at least partially my fault, it takes two. Do any other members have this problem with each other once a month?
 
10:08 PM
Post mortem after a cosmic ray issue
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm still looking
 
@JHawkins Sounds like y'alls menstral cycles have synced up.
 
@Jhawins i don't have emotional investment in a chat room lol
 
maybe take a break from the computer.
 
10:09 PM
@RUJordan it means we have the power to remove all other owners of the room, but we don't do it.
 
@FlorianMargaine bookmark
 
user1596138
@Dave Neither do I. Honestly I don't give a single shit about this place. I just hate seeing someone force their opinion on other people with no grounds. No matter where it is.
 
@phenomnomnominal sounds like a glorified position lol. How do you become an owner?
 
@RUJordan yeah it means pretty much nothing.
Apparently begging works.
 
user1596138
 
user1596138
10:10 PM
:P
 
it's their website, they can enforce whatever rules they want. if it drives away users, it's on them.
 
user1596138
I was an owner. It's pretty damn obvious that should never happen again.
 
@Jhawins that may be but @rlemon only spoke to you because he hated seeing you throw anger which could ruin the chance to have intelligent debate about the bot issue.
 
user1596138
@nderscore Yet they claim this is ours.
 
Ok so that was a joke link.
 
10:12 PM
4 hours ago, by Tim Post
That could be the way to go, but that's not going to be decided today, tomorrow, or probably even next week - which is why we're asking everyone using greetings to turn them off for now.
@BartekBanachewicz
home time
be back in a bit
 
@phenomnomnominal I don't want to be an owner, don't get me wrong. I was just curious.
 
@Jhawins you may not care, but there are others in here who do.
 
its like when a peaceful protest is ruined by violence - it no longer becomes about the the cause but the violence.
 
I'm not good enough at JavaScript to own this room :P
 
You Stay Class-like JS
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10:12 PM
wow
its been 5 minutes and its still uploading a screnshot @BenjaminGruenbaum :-( u are out of luck i guess lol
 
user1596138
AHHHH!!! I'm getting sucked back in! By myself! Time to go home!
 
reminder: if we are arguing when I get home (45 minutes) I'm posting pictures of myself in a speedo.
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you've been warned
 
Borat style?
 
ohhhh yea
 
..I disagree with you.
O:
 
10:14 PM
: I'm so lonely:( :
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@CapricaSix That's...
 
i thought ^ was turned off for time being
 
What
 
She
Said...
 
10:15 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum how does that looks ^ ?
 
@Jhawins: umm?
 
user1596138
@rlemon I'm so tempted... But I'd end up ripping my hair out.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar That looks pretty cool ^_^
 
^_^ i made it during day lol
 
user1596138
@ThiefMaster I'm in trouble...?
 
10:15 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar Very nice!
 
wow Sublime is nice!
 
(I think there needs to be a bit more margin from the right, and I don't understand links yet, also, I'd like to be able to collapse stars and users to icons and just first line of message if possible.
 
first time trying it
 
@MadScientist I'm not sure in SuperUser and I have no opinion on your chat or the bot there. In the JS room in SO it's very useful. It let's us easily bookmark topics, it runs eval so we can execute commands and discuss coding behavior (JS and CoffeeScript), it links easily to the docs which is nice to show newbies. It lets us leave messages when we're away. It lets us do plenty of cool, useful every day stuff. It's just full of useful things that make life easier. It's very useful and I think you'd probably agree if you were a room regular in the SO JS chat too (always welcome to join!). — Benjamin Gruenbaum 4 mins ago
 
@Dave welcome to the revolution!
 
10:16 PM
@Dave It is :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it requires 15px padding from right
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I assume "links" are oneboxed things?
 
Maybe, not sure. I'd like to start with something similar to what we have here and iteratively improve
 
Iunno if Caprica is actually workingbut
 
@Neal that thing is more or less the classic skype design :P
 
10:18 PM
!!afk snacks
 
highly expandable
 
@Dave I absolutely love sublime: Colour syntax if you need: github.com/daylerees/colour-schemes
 
also the user should be able to resize the space
he sees the text in
 
Ah. Must have been somebody messing with us. But forreal, snakes
 
i mean i don't really like to read this chat on a HUGE monitor
 
10:19 PM
thanks @mikedidthis
 
*snacks god dammit
 
@mikedidthis the sublime default is pretty awesome btw.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i will touch this one up tomorrow then cya for now
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it is, but Tron Legacy is lovely.
 
i am almost out of energy
 
10:19 PM
Cya good work!
 
but sorry i won't be able to give you production code
 
Register.com just called me to "give me the opportunity" to build a website for me "for free" @ javaschript.com
 
:-( sadly cause i have xams soon and before them i have to finish another project i can't stop working on :-(
though if you guys promise to use that product as a service, i'd be more then happy to write production code :D lol
 
@AbhishekHingnikar hmmm?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You're not addressing the greeting part at all, which is the only part that is criticized. Nobody objects to a bot that only reacts if you adress it directly.
 
10:22 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum didn't see the ping about sails. No opinion there, I don't know it. I'm just not sure a framework is needed for such a limited rest api. But if it helps get things done without limiting us too much, I'm all for it
 
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A: Some issues with a recent action that was taken regarding the Root Access chat bot

GillesSo you are spamming anyone who joins the chatroom. I'm puzzled how you could even think that assaulting anyone who joins the chatroom could be appropriate. It's bad enough when people do that manually, but automatically‽ Any auto-greet message is spam and that makes the auto-greeting bot a spam...

 
@Neal i have made a few social networks so far and i get really pissed off regarding how peice of fucking shit G+ , Facebook , MSN , Twitter api's are
 
@AbhishekHingnikar They are...
 
as in terms of reusablity of code and :P well simple developer friendly stuff
so i made a social network in which apps can talk to each other :P
using a common pattern that every app must follow
 
@random We haven't had any user complain about it in the past few months since it was implemented. Some users however, were happy about that interaction and said so. So in the test of time - anyone who said anything about it said nothing but positive things. We've never had any user complain about the ping. A simple canned welcome message once when the user is new and if the user has enough rep to engage to get users to play nice works well in practice. Honestly, a single complaint from a room user who did not enjoy that interaction would convince me a lot better. — Benjamin Gruenbaum 5 secs ago
 
10:24 PM
so for instance i have an app called airshare ( apple airdrop blatant ripoff using webrtc )
 
@ThiefMaster much better comment than my deleted one.
 
and i want to use it from a fucking awesome app which lets me share photos
right now despite the fact you signed up for both the apps via facebook
the way to do it is a really insane proccess
 
i love his use of assaulting in his view point
 
@Neal beta.pixter.in made it to public (Rest i never launched) (: they were to learn
my network just allows apps to talk to each other properly (:
acting itself just as a mediator or like a social network os :P
 
@AbhishekHingnikar ur smilie faces all look like sad faces. Y U DO THEM BACKWARDS? :-P
 
10:27 PM
@Neal muscle memory
I have stuff like intents, callbacks and stuff, and also simple stuff which is developer loved .. .freedom. ..
 
user1596138
A single ping from a bot is not worse than multiple pings from users welcoming user who never joined the room before... — ThiefMaster 4 mins ago
 
@AbhishekHingnikar pffft
 
my app doesn't binds you to make timeline just have text/image/shit
you can do whatever, if the timeline app itself can render it , it will or it will just ignore the reference
also timeline posts are nothing but references to actual posts in the apps that posted it :P [unless they are pure text or the app requests so]
and the user can decide what he wants to use.. hell he can even choose a different timeline-viewer if he pleases :D
oh and for those who make apps on node.js i also have a scaffolding <all that gets launched on 28, been workin on this for a LONG while >
 
are "const" gonna fix a lot of injection issues ? Not that I had to deal with that. But yes?
 
@OliverSchöning a what issue now?
 
10:31 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum { does the idea sounds good enough for clearing national level microsoft imagine cup } ?
/cc ^ @Neal now i am running to bed my body is out of energy
 
I presume @Zirak won't know about the bot?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ehrm. I heard about games and stuff that you could hack by injecting javascript code into the script ? And if the variables are unchangeable, I guess you can't ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Actually, they're really looking for good Camera apps at AppCampus, it might be interesting to them.
 
im sure he will know
 
@mikedidthis zirak will be here on thursday or friday
 
10:33 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar Good night!
 
its not for a camera app though lol
 
@OliverSchöning -_- that's not a thing, and const doesn't solve it. I think you mean XSS
 
and all i want is a ticket to washington :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah, just a shame this happened whilst he was away. Actually its just a shame it happened at all.
 
i have specifically placed my girlfriend in team ... she won't do anything but
 
10:33 PM
@OliverSchöning if variables are unchangeable, you can't do much with them
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well, good to look like an idiot once again :D Cool. Ill look THAT up then
 
i get a chance to stay with her 4 days in USA :D
pray guys
 
@mikedidthis I think that the correct thing to do was probably just tell tim yes, turn caprica off for 20 minutes and then back on again when he left. I'm skeptical about their intentions to really fix things. If they do I'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
@JanDvorak - why don't you go for a pinned post? That should be seen be people entering the room.
 
They don't care about the chat enough anywayt.
 
10:34 PM
@JanDvorak Yeah, alright. I just had one of those moments where I ask dumb things before any thought
 
@ChrisF was attempted. Didn't work
people don't read the room description or any pinned messages
 
@ChrisF To be honest we don't care about the welcome message that much, we just don't like people who don't participate in the community dictating that sort of stuff for us without understanding the dynamics. If a room regular would make a case against the welcome message it'd be out in a second - like plenty of other features (idle messages, polls, and many other features we've added and then removed).
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah. Its a shame as I know most the people in here care, yet it seems the decision will lie with people who don't. I don't want to drag it back up again.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum While I sympathise with you to a certain degree - the people who you are dealing with are the ones that actually, you know, own the site and the chat rooms. It's their thing and if they don't like what you are doing with it, they can tell you to stop.
 
i hate installations that do :

program files > company name > product > exe !
 
10:38 PM
@ChrisF I don't believe they should, however. It will reduce the quality of our room.
 
@ChrisF moreover, if a single user came here and said that the welcome message annoyed them, or that they felt uncomfortable with it. We'd seriously reconsider it. If more users said so we'd remove it instantly. When someone theorizes about what users find offensive when we've had 5k users come through here in the past months and none of them complain about it with some finding it useful - I don't get it.
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Also, the straight up just disabling the user without any discussion was a bit of a dick move.
 
id first ask why they are uncomfortable about ...most chat rooms have auto messages saying "follow the rules!"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well, speaking as a user (rather than moderator) I'd be somewhat taken aback if I was pinged by a bot the moment I entered a room. It would put me off.
 
10:39 PM
@ChrisF Of course it is, and we're a bunch of people who consistently make them money. We're a bunch of people who get paid (well, most of us) to do what we spend our free time doing here for free. We push the site when we're able and we answer hard questions. Of course they can make us do things but I don't think they act that way.
 
why though @ChrisF ?
 
Joe
hello JS people
 
i can assure you if 10 + people all pinged you welcoming you... you would be put off even more. @ChrisF
 
@ChrisF Would you maintain that opinion if you weren't part of the moderator cabal?
 
Is it possible to make the bot track our id ? So consistent users don't get pinged EVERY time they enter the room ?
 
10:40 PM
@Dave Because if would appear, to me, that I was being monitored.
 
@ChrisF I wouldn't mind being pinged by a bot the second I came into a room. Quite the opposite.
 
@SomeKittens Yes
 
Joe
@OliverSchöning its possible, but nobody is gonna do it
 
@ChrisF ....right.
 
@ChrisF Right, and had you come here yourself without the discussion around it, and said "Hey, that bothered me, I didn't appreciate that" we'd gladly have a discussion about removing it and probably would. Just like we've done for other features in the past - but for months here before this discussion no one expressed that opinion.
@SomeKittens don't do that.
 
10:41 PM
@OliverSchöning our bot already does that
 
until its a problem, don't fix / change what isn't a problem
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum are u from the python room too?
 
@OliverSchöning You only get pinged once on the first time, if you have enough rep and so on.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well, I've had no reason to come into this room (or any room where the bot was active) so that didn't arise.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can I say it's a leeetle suspicious that the only ones with that opinion are mods?
 
10:41 PM
@Joe Sometimes, yes. Also the PHP room, the rebol room, the dart room and sometimes the C++ room.
 
Well I don't get the big issue then :) Carry on ^_^
 
you get a badge when you get a star'd message why doesn't that make you feel like you're being monitored @ChrisF ?
 
@SomeKittens You can, but I didn't like the way that went. If @ChrisF says it bothers him I believe him.
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum Dart? The language thats supposedly more efficient then JS. Interesting language that
Quote: "3 ATTENTION ROOM: The bot is Temporarily disabled until I can rebuild..." ? It's not even active
 
@ChrisF Right, so maybe it is possible that it doesn't bother people who actually go to the room very much? I mean, someone who doesn't go to the room or doesn't like the idea not liking something the room does is not a very strong argument.. People who don't like interacting don't go chatting, when you tell them about some interactions in chats the initial reaction is negative.
 
10:43 PM
@Dave He's a mod. It's his job/hobby to monitor people here. His aversion to that is curious.
 
@Dave I'm not sure I follow you, but I think you're saying that I'm monitored in other areas of the site. That is true - but it's not in your face as soon as you appear.
 
@SomeKittens He is doing a lot of dirty work. I appreciate what the mods do, quite a nasty thing.
 
Just to mention it, it is a pretty annoying thing to remove stars from messages you disagree with. It is an abuse of power, a rather inconsequential one, but still it not an appropriate act
 
we are all programmers in here - we all know about chat bots given we've probably made one in the past it seems odd for a programmer to be "freaked out" by a bot ...
 
@MadScientist <- Anyone doing that please stop.
 
10:44 PM
@ChrisF hmm i suppose so.
 
@MadScientist Yeah, don't you hate it when one person with power disagrees with what you have, and exercises said power to shut it down?
 
Joe
@Dave I think you're making a broad assumption there. You could say programmers coming from IRC know about bots.
 
@SomeKittens They didn't exercise that power to shut it down - they're here talking to us about it..
 
@Dave "freaked out" is a little strong. "Surprised" or "put off" would be more appropriate. Especially if you're not expecting it.
 
@OliverSchöning I never get pinged
 
10:46 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum yet the bot is down for maintenance
 
Joe
In this day and age of being tracked by every website you visit, the SO bot should be the least of our worries.
 
@JanDvorak That's rlemon's call. He doesn't want more drama.
 
@connor.js
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Uh, have you been following this? The ban was immediate, and only after a pile of complaints does actual discussion happen.
 
from my perspective when i first joined and the bot was in use: it got me informed on the chat rules straight away so i could jump in and get involved without adapting too much. @ChrisF.
 
10:46 PM
That's my name
 
You just got pinged
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I admire that stance. I do want the bot on, however.
 
Hoho. I am out. Thanks ladies and gentlemen
 
@connor.js didn't you get arrested for conspiracy ?
 
with or withot greetings
 
10:47 PM
or was that a different Conner
 
Joe
@connor.js How big are you in minified form?
 
@Dave didn't you ever get told to shut your mouth?
 
@SomeKittens the suspension was meant to be temporary, if that's what you mean by "ban"
 
@Joe 2.5mb
 
ah so it was you then you've changed your username i see
 
10:47 PM
until the owner returns
 
@ChrisF The thing is we've had positive reactions to the welcome, and very positive reactions to the bot. People enjoy it and use it. It makes our lives easier just the tiniest bit easier and it fixes things the site won't. The SE team consistently ignores big problems with the chat and then suddenly get involved with this.
 
Joe
@connor.js that's a nuclear bomb for the browser
 
@Joe you get what you pay for
 
@ChrisFJust a recent example - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/203346/… - over 70 upvotes, second bounty in a row. No treament.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I wouldn't complain about "wants to discuss"
 
10:48 PM
No "we'll think about it", no "no" no "maybe" - nothing.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ad hominem ?
 
Joe
so all this argument is about is the chat bot? nothing more?
 
what happened? I see chaos everywhere O_o people don't like the "Welcome to JS chat..." message?
 
now shut your trap
 
Joe
@connor.js I took the bait and clicked the link
 
10:49 PM
@Doorknob SU room abused it and mods decided to talk about it in every room that used it.
 
:/
 
I don't know the details but I would expect Balpha was reacting to some flag/message about the bot. I've seen the transcript and it appears that the bot owner (rlemon) wasn't around. If they'd been online at the same time I'm guessing that a lot of this could have been avoided.
 
@JanDvorak I think willingness to actually help solve issues and spending time in the problem domain actually does correlate with the ability to give constructive criticism.
I don't mind the site/chat owners making decisions. I just think that they're extremely uninformed in doing so here because they don't use their own products.
 
@ChrisF a fork of the bot was abused in the SU main room. I haven't heard the same about the original.
 
It's like when Microsoft built that first version of TFS but they were all using git internally.
They didn't get any of the usage problems because they were not actually using the product much.
 
10:51 PM
@ChrisF The bot's FOSS, anyone can fork/run it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum SE staff do use chat.
 
@ChrisF In the open? With a lot of new users?
There is no point to something like a welcome message when you run the chat with the same 10 people, or even 500.
 
@SomeKittens That's irrelevant. The issue was with the instance of the bot running in the chat room.
 
Joe
@ChrisF its probably internal, all our chats are public transcripts
 
@connor.js lol i remmeber that link you gave me last time xD
 
10:52 PM
@Dave No
 
@ChrisF It is relevant because you mentioned @rlemon not being around, even though he had nothing to do with the SU fork.
 
I've never sent that link here
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not that active in chat myself so I don't know how many SE staff are active in the public rooms.
 
yeh you told me to get my news from a more reliable news site
no not that precise link
 
The main issue is that a bot actively greeting new users is a rather unexpected and controversial feature. Nobody objects to a bot you have to actively involve.
 
10:53 PM
@SomeKittens OK - I got the bot "owner" wrong.
 
@ChrisF it's the owner of tthe SU fork that wasn't around
 
@Dave I'm not getting into this but last message, do you think you can call the BBC reliable?
 
so does that mean we should not greet new users either as that is unexpected @MadScientist ?
 
@JanDvorak Yeah. I realise I got the wrong user. Sorry.
 
@connor.js most of the time yes
 
Joe
10:53 PM
@MadScientist controversial how?
 
@ChrisF We have mods who come here, mainly minitech BoltClock ThiefMaster and Gordon. No community managers etc. . Also, We honestly don't mind SuperUser chat not liking the bot, banning welcome messages and even not allowing a bot at all. That's really their choice and we have no say in that.
 
@Dave You cannot use the word reliable with "most of the time" wtf
 
but that doesn't mean we don't want the greetings.
 
@MadScientist Yet in the several months it has been running (and no one that is suddenly bothered didn't notice) we've had no complaints at all.
 
or our newcomers
 
10:54 PM
You cannot rely on something if it's not always reliable
 
i dont rely on the science page from BBcCi prefer to use science papers published from the actual scientists for example @connor.js
 
@Dave I personally don't like it if a new user is directly adressed when they didn't even posted once in the room. Many people like to lurk in chat, and that is something that should be respected. Regular users (not bots) are still free to act unless they violate the rules, though
 
end of convo
 
Joe
There's like always less than 150 people on SO chat, this argument is kinda pointless.
 
@MadScientist oh i see - well what if the bot responds upon their first message?
don't know if possible but that might work
 
10:55 PM
@MadScientist but it's configured to only greet any given user once
 
I don't know what the answer is. I came in here to have a brief chat with a specific user so we didn't keep pinging a third users inbox by chatting in comments.
 
@Dave I still don't like spamming the room for a message that is only relevant to that one user
 
@ChrisF Answer to what?
 
@ChrisF FWIW I am not the 'owner' of the bot. I merely host her
@Zirak owns the bot
 
@MadScientist so you never greet new people?
 
10:56 PM
@MadScientist Oddly, that message was only relevant to one user.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How to use the bot
 
@MadScientist Ironic.
 
@Dave No, not if they're only visible in the avatar list and have not posted at all
 
@rlemon Ah, fair enough.
 
@MadScientist That said, you don't participate in this room much and in practice we've found this to reduce the amount of data relating to new users.
 
10:57 PM
@MadScientist thats why i said what if the bot greets after the user has posted their first message?
entirely reasonable
 
Opinion vs. data. I know what side I'm on.
 
@rlemon
44 mins ago, by rlemon
reminder: if we are arguing when I get home (45 minutes) I'm posting pictures of myself in a speedo.
 
Also, Anyone vs. actual users/customers.
 
as the most active chat.so/JS user I can 100% verify that the message (in here) has saved us a big head ache. and it gives new users a better opportunity to get heard.
 
@ChrisF SE staff are always welcome to stick around and see if they like what they see - we want experienced people to help us if they can with that sort of stuff and we hate having to hack around the system to implement things that we feel should have been implemented in the first place but got no response on meta.
 
10:58 PM
unfortunatelly, that first message is going to be "hi, may I ask a question here?"
 
hi, anyone here know jquery?
 
Personally I think that new users should be forced to lurk on any forum before being allowed to post.
 
has any one asked Caprica's feelings on this issue :P poor girl ain't had her say!
 
44 mins ago, by Caprica Six
: I'm so lonely:( :
 
@Dave shh... e's sleeping right now
 
10:58 PM
oh she has spoke hehe
 
@Doorknob let me take care of some yard work then i'll get out my camera
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum The lack of response from SE on some issues can be frustrating at times.
 
@rlemon lol ok :P
 
@ChrisF When you have people like Paul Irish or John Resig that are valued community members in the JS community (and not just the JS chat one) and they come here and chat - I don't like the idea of forcing them to lurk one bit.
 
10:59 PM
@ChrisF You just have to annoy the comm team enough and you'll get a response. It won't always be positive, though
 

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