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9:19 PM
@MisterSirCode no, I just listen to my playlists. Which is mostly 80s rock and metal.
 
Ah
I just get pandora and pandora enhancer extension.
Easy, no ads, etc
I just enjoy 80s
so much more than some of the modern day songs
 
I have Google Music. I don't like using their mixes, though - they are simultaneously too random and not random enough.
If you run a radio from a song or an artist, it sometimes picks rather odd members of that generated playlist.
But also, the number of other artists is rather limited.
 
:P
Google music isnt the best option out there
Id just reccomend getting a pandora account and get an extension on chrome or ff that removes ads
 
Meh, when I use it just for my stuff it's alright.
 
I even made a nativefier app of pandora (basically electron) so I could hide it in system tray
 
9:23 PM
i had pandora, used it for a few months... then switched to amazon music
no reason to go back
 
I've tried Spotify and it has the same set of problems and features. Google Music won me over just because I had already paid for it.
 
exactly
i have prime anyway, mightaswell enjoy the additional features
 
I would go out on a limb and say that Amazon Music will behave the same as Spotify and Google Music when it comes to music discovery and auto-generated queues.
Which isn't bad but I just don't like the algorithms.
 
yeah, i just swap between stations regularly
nbd
or put on a movie
because that comes with prime too
:shrug:
i like physics/space documentaries
 
Didn't like the Prime Movies. Well, last time I tried them was probably 5 years ago. The videos were running on Silverlight and...I'm not a fan. So, I was using the Flash player. The experience was rather bad. Made worse because I knew that sites that offered pirate streaming of movies were better for years.
I had the free month for Amazon Prime but the movies didn't entice me to keep it. I didn't order enough stuff to consider keeping the subscription, either.
I hope the web player is better nowadays.
 
9:32 PM
Kevin I watch space docs during spring break... thats that time of year.

But regularly as white noise? that is pretty strange
As for me? If I really want a movie, I just sideload Moviebox onto my ipad and run a movie, set it on the side of my screen and enjoy
movies are a good mind distraction for me
But if im just focused in and programming something for a purpose, music helps me think closely on one subject
and having a cat on my lap :P
@VLAZ 5 years ago was a long time
flash isnt used ANYWHERE for movie running as far as I know nowadays
 
Flash was the fallback player for Prime Videos. And it was awful. It would constantly drop to a lower quality because apparently my 50 MB/s connection wasn't enough to maintain the quality...only it was and after realising this it would not buffer the video at higher quality anyway.
Silverlight didn't really run well on Linux, so it wasn't a very good option, either.
I had Silverlight disabled on principle, as well.
 
Ugh I cant imagine using linux for ANYTHING other than server hosting all those years ago
 
5 years ago is not THAT long.
 
Was proton and elite linux gaming equal to that of windows available 5 years ago?
 
You could play a fair few games already. And Proton + Steam OS came out in the mean time.
 
9:39 PM
It did?
hmm
 
There is Wine.
 
Meh just don't game
 
Also, many games have native Linux clients.
 
so does wine just "allow" you to run exes in linux?
 
Essentially.
 
9:40 PM
Interesting
So why dont people just recreate windows in linux already so we have the perfect mashup?
I use windows and linux together regularly
 
Cause they are fundamentally different?
 
Why do you want Windows? The only real advantage it has for me is some software that runs on it.
 
Why would you want to do that?
Lol at ninja
 
You can use WSL under Windows, if you really want. Then you sort of have both.
 
Yeah
But theres nothing native available
 
9:42 PM
@paul23 great minds think alike :P
 
Well terrible minds too.
 
Wouldnt it be nice if you just had a linux PC in the windows NTFS format with full support for executables AND linux console / executables
Natively
 
That won't work: since they are fundamentally different
 
Linux can use NTFS already. But ext4 is pretty much better. Other file systems also have other advantages.
 
But we can already run windows executables and software on linux
Assuming you just emulate the desktop capabilities on windows inside of a linux operating system, and natively support wine, I think it would be pretty simple
 
9:44 PM
I'm not sure ext4 is better than ntfs vlaz: I notice that linux is much slower in file opening on its ext4 partition than windows in the ntfs (on same ssd).
 
I agree with that ^
Linux has always had issues being unstable and slow unless I physically install it to my motherboard of my high end PCs
even then, its still slow
 
Wine cannot do everything windows can, for example the abilities of drivers are vastly different.
 
I've not really tinkered with that. Maybe you can tweak some settings or use another FS. But ext4 is more robust overall. The journaling is great.
 
True, but as of nowadays, you CAN install a lot of the drivers that exist in windows
thats what makes linux gaming possible
gaming drivers for high end cards
 
Meh I notice the nvidia driver is still not free software, so not working on my debian os.
 
9:47 PM
NVIDIA driver... is free? or do you mean the driver itself?
Nvidia installed itself, the drivers, nvidia experience and all that for free on my system when I connected my card to the pc
 
Yeah...well, ATI made some strides there but also I remember the ATI drivers were a PIA to work sometimes.
Wait, sorry AMD.
Went too far back in time...
 
I got one of those new raytracing RTX Supers... sadly not many games have RTX Capabilities right now, so its kinda being wasted
Lol
 
Meh, I'm still running a 1060.
 
Free as in liberte
 
I used to use AMD, I enjoyed it because everyone else always complained about having issues with Intel and others...
Then I realized that I couldnt open old game engines like terraria in AMD
 
9:48 PM
Got it after they unveiled the 2k series. It serves me well enough. I'm running 1440p/144Hz
 
Like it took a week to figure out how to get terraria running in an AMD card lol
Well the reason I upgraded vlaz was because I had some old 200 AMD Radeon
It was a tough sucker, I ran destiny 2 pixelated
It really tried to work, but ultimately my 2007 dell with some upgrades was just getting dated
so we saved up 1500$ for parts and I built my pc
wound up saving 1500 again and I built the same one for my sister too cause she had an old "gaming" laptop
 
def buy AMD, i'm invested in them
 
LOL, I've seen some people play PoE on the lowest of low settings. It looks so bad but - hey, it doesn't lag or stutter.
 
I had a few issues with AMD, it always sucked at running ancient software
any kind of game that relied on old driver tech always had issues
 
was that amd?
 
9:51 PM
Runescape remastered, terraria, even old minecraft.
All of them always had issues on AMD
 
Those are old?
 
Apparently old enough that a 2012 amd card couldnt run them
 
2010 for Minecraft. Been a decade.
 
I only ever managed to get a few games running on that old pc
latest minecraft, terraria, destiny 2, gta, a few others
everything else never rendered right
I have yet to have a single issue with my new PC and the RTX Super Nvidia MSI card I have
* forgot I still have 16 gb of ram... same as my 2007 upgraded pc *
Sadface
I started playing with Blender and Houdini for rendering and art... 16gb is just not enough
 
2007 I got my first laptop and it had 4GB RAM, I think.
It was an upgrade over my desktop.
 
9:55 PM
That pc I had started with 2gb. My dad upgraded it in 2012-2015
We also managed to get a 500gb disk drive
Nowadays I got 5 terrabytes XD
 
Seems my questions on SO are getting too specific for so to be answered nowadays :(
 
i don't game much
 
So many questions without answers :9
 
Paul some day SO will just be replaced by magic AI robots thatll code for you
"Hey siri, program me a 3 star title game with Raytracing graphics thats basically a better version of GTA V"
 
I'll be making the robots then, and have questions on how to design that.
 
9:57 PM
Haha if AI really gets as powerful as they say it will, life will be comical and cynical
Boring basically
 
You mean like it has been since 2001 already?
 
According to 9 out of 10 marketing people, AI is already the best thing out there.
 
"honey go tell the oven to make some Baked Alaska" for context, baked alaska is one of the hardest dishes to make
Im assuming thatll be what life is like some day
that is if we dont all die from nuclear bombs
or heatwaves
 
I find it quite funny when I see an ad that goes "HARNESSING THE POWER OF AI, WE'VE MADE THIS TOASTER THREE TIMES AS GOOD!"
 
10:00 PM
until the day we have food replicators in each house we haven't developed enough.
 
Life nowadays isnt boring because we still have to do a lot of manual things
I still have to cook dinner so I dont have to do dishes
I still have to take out the trash to the bin
 
Slight hyperbole there but there was an ad that said something like "AI made this phone twice as fast" and I was wondering "twice as fast as what? And at what?"
 
I just made a slide from my desk to the bin the other day, so I can just shove trash away without having to move.
 
VLAZ thats all marketing horseshit
 
Yep.
Not sure they even know what AI is.
 
10:02 PM
Oh the funniest marketing ply of the modern age: Organic food vs GMO food
Yeah sorry no im taking my GMO food... you can keep your "organic" crap.
 
I sure am happy I live in the netherlands and not the us regarding gmo food.
What you do with chlorinated chicken meat and all kind of rubbish food regulations, gives me the creeps.
 
"Oh no GMO makes you autistic" considering the amount of intelligence and science went into making those foods
 
Hell you even add chlorine to the tap water, instead of just filtering the water and keeping it clean.
 
Paul the US is just a big shit honestly
I dont like this place
but it doesnt have wars and revolutions going on... atleast not everywhere... so its fine
 
@paul23 in ny we add fluorine too
 
10:03 PM
Come to Europe!
 
Europe sucks too
 
Yeah I probably will someday
Not everywhere in europe
 
"but it doesnt have wars and revolutions going on... " -- sees the army moving into place to block protesters..
 
@JBis OK, true but it's also not the US.
 
You sure about that?
 
10:04 PM
I might go to europe to see some big places myself. I wanna see the eiffel tower up close.

Afterwards Ima just move to Italy where my ancestors were, and eat italian dishes every day
@paul23 "but it doesnt have wars and revolutions going on... atleast not everywhere"
 
That... explains things.
Don't get me started about italian economics, I won't stop and it's unhealthy.
 
we maybe a shitty country on a national level but its relativly a good place to live
 
Well mainly the only reason the protesting gets so bad is the violent people... The people in that leftist organization who throw bottles at shit and cause more trouble to stir up crap
JBis you aint wrong
I live in a small town county thats shaped like a pokeball with a military base in the center
 
There are crazy people everywhere, just seems like US has the most extreme crazy people
 
We all know a lot of each other, and the whole neighborhood takes up arms when sketchy people come in
 
10:07 PM
@JBis but your electric plugs are annoying. To be fair, the EU ones aren't much better. I like the UK ones.
 
I wish I had UK plugs
 
Nah the US has no cultural way to handle/reduce the extremenism.
 
UK Plugs are cool...
Electroboom did a video on them
 
@paul23 wdym?
 
In normal cultures the social coherence reduces an extremist before the takes extreme actions. Like you neighbours, pub friends etc all talk to you and prevent it.
In the us it seems right now people are instead constantly pushing each other to further extremism in whatever sense, some unhealthy some 'healthy' like fashion.
 
10:09 PM
i don't really understand what you means
 
Alright, Im tired, ima go find a movie to watch
Abusing the fact that my sis bought disney+ and never unsigned it.
 
Well in normal countries people first talk about what they think in pubs, and extremist throughts are "handled" by friends who slap into someone like: "hey jhon, you know I like you since birth but you really can't do xyz that's bad".
 
@MisterSirCode I watched Number 23 somewhat recently and iked it
 
Considering father's love for netflix, he enjoys the mandalorian, hell probably buy disney himself
Number 23?
 
eh, i can't imagine how that's not a problem everywhere paul
 
10:11 PM
It seems in the us there is no more social contract between people and everyone is just talking to their own group of people who are just giving them confirmation about their thoughts.
 
the difference here is that we have states that have a whole lot of control over the people within
 
Paul23, see lets split this up
 
@MisterSirCode Yes, with Jim Carrey. Not a comedy, though - psychological movie. It's a bit weird.
 
and pretty much anyone can run and win
at the state level
or county, etc
 
70% of people are mentally stable good people, or most of them.

the rest are unstable, extremists, facists, snowflakes, entitled, etc
 
10:12 PM
In the Netherlands it's much more common to always go to the pub and have talks there, which brings you into a very mixed crowd and hence forces you to listen to other opinions/get second views.
 
But those 30% make themselves look like THEY are the 70% because of the media attention
You get the point
 
that happens here too
 
I meet a lot of nice people in the real world. The internet changes people
A lot of people are nice strangers wholl wave to you on the road
 
@paul23 can't tell if you are serious, but that makes no sense
 
then theres 1 who will run you over with their monster truck if they see you driving by their house, or tell everyone to give em shit for free
 
10:13 PM
Well yes, but you seem to have real segregation in who goes to which part of club/town, instead of actively wanting (as community, and voting etc based on that) to mix social groups together.
 
@paul23 i'm still not understanding
 
JBis, he means in other places, people talk things out and actively try to help each other
 
and that doesn't happen the US?
 
here in the US, people ignore each other and just argue on reddit/twitter shit and no one helps em
 
thats just untrue
 
10:14 PM
Not as much as in other countries
JBis, its usually just parenting
 
what?
 
Nah I mean you don't have as many areas where "only white people go" or "only blacks go", or "where only people who studied go" or "where only rich go".
 
Bad parents cause entitled kids or nasties
And they grow up into the large field of extremists and facists, racists, entitleds, snowflakes
and they teach their kids the same shit
 
@paul23 where do we have that in the US?
 
You just cant help people like that
their ears are practically fiberglass, they never listen
 
10:16 PM
And it's an constant message each local government is trying to convey "we will make sure the segregation reduces". While in the us I know via friends/during my internship that they really do have that, and it's hardly ever a theme.
 
Lol. There are bad people everywhere. You can find stuck up snobby kids anywehre @MisterSirCode
 
Yes yes
but in the 15 years ive lived in this country, I see its much more common
 
The theme is often "no racism" but not "we will rebuild neighbourhoods so rich and poor buildings are mixed together, where a big landhouse is next to a flat with cheap rent".
 
half the children in my school have parents who dont care if they smoke weed in class
 
@MisterSirCode ok and?
@paul23 Whats your point?
 
10:17 PM
A "respectful" friend Ive had for years told me this exactly: "Everyone in this school has atleast gotten near drugs / drinking... their parents dont care"
 
There is plenty of racism everywhere else.
 
JBis, I know youre trying to be a nationalist
I am too, I care for my country
 
whaattt?
 
but I have to admit a large portion of people are just toxic here
 
i'm not trying to be anything, and please don't categorize me as a "nationalist" espically with the connotation is brings
 
10:19 PM
The US in general is just too toxic. Countries that have gone through governmental reformation and wars have really fearful people that are very respectful
The US has just had a terrible history
 
Well that exactly, that the themes don't seem to be about "reducing social distance between groups of civilization". and I think that reducing those distances -Both in money by making sure the rich are less rich and poor are richer, as well as physically moving closing together so they'll have to make a talk each morning when taking out the dog- is the most important task of a local government.
 
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I guess where just all going to have to get along then.
 
Paul has got some good info JBis, you should absorb it
 
...
no
 
I agree with everything hes said so far
 
10:20 PM
you're just making a bunch of generalizations
 
Ultimately the US is toxic shit
 
Yet when I talked to people from the US (interns at university level) they seem to think it's a "non issue that would solve itself".
 
@paul23 Ok. So basically you would like to see more socialism in the US?
 
Well if you call it that.
 
sure there are variables, nice people, whatever, but if you summarize and generalize it. yes its a toxic cesspool.
Ok well socialism isnt the answer
 
10:20 PM
well, thats what it is, i'm not calling it that
 
I don't mean to change the way the economy work, only on cultural/social level.
 
using gov to control where people decide to build houses?
 
but if a few aspects from it came to the US, it might help save some things
 
That's normal?
 
or where people decide to live?
 
10:21 PM
THat's normal?
 
normal for who?
certainly not normal for america
 
@paul23 Well you just said "rich less rich" "poor richer"
 
Uh literary anywhere I lived in europe, and I indeed consider that vital important.
 
just a difference in opinion, or lifestyle, etc
 
yes, but not by removing free market, but by introducing taxes on luxury goods while making things like water free.
 
10:22 PM
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@paul23 Ok. So basically you would like to see more socialism in the US?
Yes. I understand.
 
Socialism is often considered removing from free market, that's not what I advocate...
 
You want more socialism, not no captialism, just more socialism
 
Ok sure that it is :P
 
10:22 PM
Thats absolute socialism. It's a balance. You just want more on the side of socialism.
Ok. Well your ideas have tons of support in America.
(Bernie supporters)
 
But more like, consider it more a topic in politics not even saying it needs to happen. Just open on all levels a discussion. But it seems constantly to spawn and then quickly muffled by some way or another into the discussions. Never a truly persistent discussion at politic level.
 
I happen to think that more socialism isn't necessarily the answer but due to past racist polices (red lining) that I believe are the root cause of all the issues we see today, we need to have some socialistic polices to help impoverished minority communities.
@paul23 Bernie has done that. He opened the discussion. For everything I hate about him, I will give him credit where it's due. He has moved the needle on the political discussions.
 
But @KevinB do you really have no what we call "welstand" commitee at local level? - Like a commitee that decided: "hmm you wish to remove that tree? - but it gives shadow to your neighbours, so can't remove it". Or "hmm you wish to paint your front pink and cyan, well that's hideous please don't".?
 
@paul23 are you saying thats bad or good?
 
@JBis yes but it's now muffled again, it seems in the us people aren't "ready" or "open" or it's not part of their culture to keep such discussion, which is back to what I meant it's not part of the US culture to talk.
 
10:28 PM
@paul23 Thats simply untrue. It's still a very relevant discussion.
 
@JBis I'm wondering, do you not have such a committee on local level? To make sure greenery is managed well in the town, as well as light, water etc.
 
Even at the protests, many are calling for economic equality also.
@paul23 of course we do, its called state and local governments
 
Well those would also decide where people can build houses? - Since kevin seemed wondering that a government could decide who lives where?
 
each state has a state government with a legislative, judicial, and executive branch. Same with local (city) governemnts.
@paul23 yes they do
you need a permit for all that (which you get from the local governemnt)
 
You can't just make pavement since that would create stone, which reduces the amount of water going into the ground and hence the ground water level, which creates drought/silting of ground.
 
10:30 PM
ofc
But we don't ask president trump if we can plant a tree in our backyard
 
So then they could use those rules/permits also to encourage mixing neighbourhoods.
 
@paul23 How?
And in fact we do
 
Uh just like water management people management is a thing?
 
Many attempts at red lining today have been blocked
 
management of social structures is on equal level as water management here.
 
10:31 PM
I'm so confused
 
And water level is important in the netherlands ;)
 
@paul23 at a federal level, no. usually no on the state level as well, but some very liberal states may. at the city level though yes that does happen
not at every city, it's up to that city's government
or that county
which are ofc all locally elected from the community
 
Like: "sorry you can't build a cheap rent flat there, it would create too much concrete and we need more greenery". or: "sorry but that big castle you wish to build, has to go to that neighbourhood, we've already too many castles here and like to keep the green area open for public".
 
I think your argument that the US culturally denies open speech is unfounded, i think its the opposite. The argument about the wealth gap between races, is a real argument that has occurred (and continues to) for the past many decades.
@paul23 ...that exists
i really don't get your point. Maybe you are misinformed about how state and local governments operate in the US.
Most of the things the federal government does has very little impact on a persons day to day activities.
 
the state (and then by extension federal government) gives the general "directions" right?

By setting base laws and overal structures like "ok this town is growing too fast, let's encourage people moving to suburbs or to xyz town so it doesn't get too crowded;
So new york: next few years please don't create new office buildings, those have to go to new jersey so that traffic is more manageable"
 
10:35 PM
they put on this big show with congress/senate/president, but in the end, the state and city government is where real change happens
 
@KevinB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
How do you manage things like climate then
 
with public opinion
 
Those only work when you take the overal complete picture, where coutnries are even too small.
 
if there's enough public support, change happens
 
10:36 PM
countries/us states
 
if there isn't... it doesn't, unless there's enough money behind it
 
@paul23 federal governemnt can say "please" but states can do what they want in their state
@paul23 Maybe read this. Obama explains how change occurs well here medium.com/@BarackObama/…
 
Yeah but it wouldnt' make sense if state A starts promoting green climate neutral building and state B few 100km away start promoting "big oil production". You need someone to govern the total thing and making sure we're not raising dykes.
That's almost middleages feeling for me from europe XD.
 
> Second, I’ve heard some suggest that the recurrent problem of racial bias in our criminal justice system proves that only protests and direct action can bring about change, and that voting and participation in electoral politics is a waste of time. I couldn’t disagree more.
> The point of protest is to raise public awareness, to put a spotlight on injustice, and to make the powers that be uncomfortable; in fact, throughout American history, it’s often only been in response to protests and civil disobedience that the political system has even paid attention to marginalized communities.
> But eventually, aspirations have to be translated into specific laws and institutional practices — and in a democracy, that only happens when we elect government officials who are responsive to our demands.
 
Still back to the point: might be that i'm not there, but if you say it happens everywhere and talk does happen in pubs that cool.
 
10:39 PM
i really doubt that more "talks in pubs" will solve wealth gaps and racial wealth disparity
 
It's just that my colleagues seemed very uncomfortable when I start talking about those things in the pub/during lunch. And I think extremism wouldbe reduced if everyone would just talk and say what they think instead of cropping it up and seeking only people who agree.
 
@paul23 maybe that's just them
some people don't like to discuss politics
 
Eh, politics in the US is something you tend to really only discuss with people you trust. I’d that’s what you mean, yeah, there’s a lot of thst
 
Whenver I have a thought like "hmm we could solve the middle eastern problem by actively choosing one side, what do you think?" it seemed the people from US especially feel uncomfortable to actively talk back etc.
 
Or people you really hate
 
10:42 PM
@paul23 some people maybe sensitive to controversial issues
 
Well seems like interns from us are generally more than people from the netherlands :P.
 
also interns may not want to piss off superiors
 
Or interns from germany
 
i probably would not be as open about my political beliefs with an employer until I knew them
you say the wrong thing and get fired
 
Hint if you come to the netherlands: do take a run with your boss. 80%+ of the companies actually like when the boss is made a fool by some new guy.
 
10:44 PM
Except the boss and he's the one that can fire you
alright gtg cya
 
Not really, since all companies I've ever seen promote "flat structure", not ever ever een a company that hasn't this as one of their perks.
It is one of those things that I consider nowadays silly, you better say if you have a hierarchical structure, since flat is the norm.
 
 
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