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11:02 PM
this is amazing
 
@forresthopkinsa very cool but not sure how useful it will be. For many things you need it to be run locally.
 
cloud programming is the future pal
I was doing it years ago with codenvy and cloud9
it was great
both of them have been bought out since then but I'm very enthusiastic about web IDEs
 
stadia but for keyboard/mouse
 
it really is very nice to work on a platform that can autoscale its resources
I don't need a computer with 32 threads except for when I'm trying to transpile freaking ffmpeg from C to WASM with third-degree optimizations
at which point even my Macbook loses like 50% of its battery trying to pump it out
it would be very nice if my development workspace could spin up an extra 16 threads and few gigs of RAM just for those infrequent occasions
 
rip
it doesn't support any flavor of cfml
 
11:13 PM
anyone else suddenly get a bunch of announcer badges?
 
yup
it's been broken for a while, they just fixed it
 
@user400654 clearly they didn't think this project through
Oh, neat
 
looks like a lot of "Popular" badges just went out too
 
guess I'm just not popular hahahah
 
i haven't gotten any either, but it looks like it's running in batches
i half expect to get 1 famous answer
 
11:16 PM
I have a stupid question. Is there a way to problematically add operators (i think thats the term) in js. For example if I wanted to make "Frosty" ==== "frosty" // true because it would a case insensitive comparison. So is there a way to add "====" so that a method gets called and returns true/false
 
I expect I'll probably end up in the top 0.5% overall by the time the recalculations are done
 
purely curious, I know the correct way to do case insentive comparisons
 
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Missing Args
 
no, you can't do that in the base language
 
11:16 PM
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that makes me sad
it would be really handy
 
you can however add functionality to a compiler of your choice to implement your own features
 
@FrostyFire imagine the abuse though
 
like webpack?
@forresthopkinsa go on
 
11:17 PM
like babel
 
yeah, webpack can probably do it
 
what would the abuse be though
 
i've never tried something like that tho
 
webpack itself wouldn't do it, you'd need to do it in babel or write a plugin
 
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11:18 PM
@FrostyFire imagine you consume a library that attaches a freaking undocumented operator overload to the global scope
 
did i break it
 
right but even with bable the IDE would complain constantly because =** or whatever messed up syntax you use, wouldnt be valid to it
 
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suddenly the modulo operator is now fetching a resource or something
 
11:19 PM
@forresthopkinsa well yes that would be horrible. But I mean a library can overload other things that cause issues. Anything can be abused right?
 
now I know that's kind of unrealistic
yes
 
@forresthopkinsa that would be funny. Calls google for the calculation
 
the more realistic issue would just be that the language would be impossible to support once you started adding your own arbitrary keywords/operators
 
and if error returns the code so the result of the math would be 404 or something lmao
 
I'm sure there are examples of languages that allow custom operators
 
11:20 PM
@forresthopkinsa good point
 
I've wished for them myself but I know that I'd probably develop some pretty bad habits if I had my wish granted
Now, other languages do allow operator overloading, and some do it pretty well
I really enjoy the way Kotlin handles operator overloading
 
oh, famous answer isn't a thing
 
@user400654 I expect I'll earn it anyway
 
whats this called: someArray.find((x)=>x....... and so on
there is a term for that syntax that escapes me
 
functional programming?
lambda expression?
 
11:21 PM
the second ahh yes
 
in JS land it's called an Arrow Function
 
I love those. so much cleaner
yes arrow functions i love them so much
 
they're nice but I think people underestimate their gotchas
 
what do you mean
 
I'm missing refiner, self-learner, and illuminator of the answer badges
 
11:22 PM
arrow functions handle this binding differently than normal functions, which is really convenient if you understand that behavior
 
i will never get any of them
 
if you don't then it can lead to some really hard-to-diagnose issues
@user400654 not with that attitude
 
@forresthopkinsa ahhh yes. Been there.
 
it would require answering upwards of 500 garbage questions
 
user have you considered doing some self learning on how to earn the badges? Just an idea idk
yeah its not worth it. You really shouldn't try
just give up its okay
 
11:23 PM
@FrostyFire you know user400
 
@forresthopkinsa yes
 
It wasn't a question
 
self-learning... uh, i could do that one... but it's hard to ask a question when you know the answer
 
KevinB is protesting or something
 
@user400654 So ummm... post a question you dont know the answer too.........and figure out the solution........
why would kevin do that
 
11:24 PM
more just removing SO from my results
 
that would be a mistake
 
it's a bit late for that
 
just write a letter to google and tell them to remove SO from the results?
or you could juse do -site:stackoverflow.com
 
he means the results you'd get by searching for him
 
oh my
searches his chat logs for spicy stuff
so... you code naked huh?
 
11:27 PM
heh, there's no chat history i'd want to hide
 
thats funny. You made me laugh
id say most people would not want a potential employers seeing their chatlogs here
 
mroe a case of i don't want to be associated to a helpdesk
 
I know I sure as fuck wouldn't
 
not this one anyway
 
@user400654 why?
 
11:28 PM
idc if they find that i'm a moderator of jquery forums
 
why do you suddenly hate SO?
 
I hate where it's going
 
I think most professionals talk in this room under the assumption that a future employer can read their messages
 
@user400654 where is it going?
 
If you don't want something to be indexed then don't say it here
 
11:28 PM
It's becoming a helpdesk
 
its always had a lot of code vampires
always will
 
@FrostyFire You've got your history wrong
It wasn't always like this
 
i was really into SO like 6 years ago or so. been out of it for a while. What happened?
 
There were always code vampires but there were also strict regulations in place to keep low-quality content off the site
Now those regulations have been lifted
 
they dont have those rules now?
WHAAAAAAAAT
thats disgusting
 
11:30 PM
Wow you're out of the loop pal
 
all questions accepted, regardless of... well anything
 
why would they do it? I have never seen a question be removed unfairly. Its generally sooo clear they didnt google. "how do I fix error 2341564fdse?" Google it idiot. Whats funny is when I'd comment that I would be the one to get in trouble lol.
I know there were some crybabies about how "elitest" SO answerers were. Always found that funny. If you expect someone to help you for free, you owe it to them to show that you put in effort already and make the question as easy as possible to answer
ever been /r/techsupport on reddit? So many idiot questions....
 
yup.
 
@user400654 I love the ones about "will xyz specs be enough for me?" thats all. No mention of what games they want to play or anything. Like... I get that not everyone are experts like us but common sense dictates you need to tell the person what you want to use it for. Be like buying a car "will this car seat everyone i need it to? :)"
 
@forresthopkinsa if we move everything to web we are gonna need a more powerful web
 
11:36 PM
thats why I firmly believe that the majority of people TRULY are idiots
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no common sense
 
@JBis we're gonna need a bigger boat
 
no logical processing unit
 
a large number of developers shouldn't be developers
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
that's a pretty cynical take
I think that "ignorant" is different from "idiotic"
 
11:37 PM
willful ignorance (the majority) is idiotic though
 
if someone is willfully ignorant then they're unlikely to go online seeking answers
the trouble is when they're ignorant to the purpose of SO
 
I don't agree. They will seek "solutions"
 
well
the old purpose of SO
 
instead of spending 5 minutes to problem solve on their own
 
seeking solutions is fine, the issue is that SO has marketed itself as the answerer of everyone's problems, which is not what it was meant to be
 
11:39 PM
its not just tech related things. Life in general...people lack common sense and basic logical thinking. Its sad really
 
well you never know something until you learn it. Some people's default learning mode is to ask someone else.
 
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@user400654 Are you planning on leaving completely?
 
not for a while
still enjoy this chat and tavern
 
@forresthopkinsa oops
 
11:40 PM
that's the wrong link
 
@JBis lol
 
@user400654 What if someone paid you $50/hr to just answer SO questions. All of them even the dumb ones.
would you?
 
Its also frustrating when there are inconsistencies with SO policy
 
i forget where it was... where they specifically referenced the "enthusiast and professional developers" idea and essentially said they're changing and broadening it for "all" developers
no, i would not
 
same
 
11:42 PM
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How is that on topic
 
it involves code
 
@user400654 hobby "programmers" are not developers. that like calling someone who does basic repairs on their car themselves, a mechanic
 
Literally the definition of asking for someone to write code. And if not, then its not relating to programming at all
 
yup
that's what the sites for now
lol
 
29 upvotes (for the answer)
I voted to close
 
11:43 PM
"So I got an example program to display hello world. how do I change it to say "Hello Karen" ? Plz help"
 
your vote doesn't do anything
 
But its frustrating and difficult to tell users not do that when they see it all over the place
 
(well, it sends it to the review queue, but it won't get seen there till it receives at least 1, if not 2 more real votes)
 
@user400654 we could create a botnet to mass downvote
 
yeah, no
 
11:44 PM
Cause I don't have enough rep, yeah ik
 
@user400654 it wouldn't be THAT hard
 
I don't have much rep but I know more than some of the clowns with 50k rep (Not sound arrogant, but i have examples)
 
yeah...
so what will the next SO be? The replacement
 
there won't be one
 
reddit gonna fall too.
 
11:46 PM
codedact, allegedly
 
they are just angering their users. Idk what it is about companies seemingly purposely pissing off their userbase and not realizing that will cost them a lot in the end
 
Codeact is really trying
 
it's already poisoned the dev community so badly that any replacement will likely be inundated with the same crap
 
Theres definitively a place for a website tho
its not like devs are going away soon
@user400654 Not if its ran properly
But biggest issue is dups
 
I mean if you wanted a REALLY serious site you could make it so to sign up you have to have your identity verified
 
11:47 PM
you can't close as dup if its not a dup on that site
 
asking dumb qusetions = perma ban
 
@FrostyFire SE is pretty good at killing bot rings
 
@forresthopkinsa the ones they catch that is
 
But that still ruins the site
its a bandaid, an extremely large expensive one
 
what is
 
11:49 PM
I would rather SO spend all this effort on educating users
 
botnet
 
@FrostyFire if there were bot rings participating on the site unchecked, you'd see pretty clear evidence of it
 
90% of the questions asked on any given day are questions that would be solved with proper debugging
Why can't they do something about that?
 
@user400654 or googling
 
SE needs to stop being so money focused
 
11:50 PM
same with reddit
 
you can't blame them for that
 
Dare I say, I wish they were bought?
 
i don't blame them for it
 
Meh, reddit is thriving
 
i want them to help fix it, not make the problem worse
 
11:50 PM
all you can do is try to make it financially advantageous for them to play to their answerers
 
Maybe Microsoft could buy them
they didn't suck with github -- yet at least
 
@JBis remember me when in 2-4 years a competitor destroys them
 
yeah they've actually done a good job with gh
 
true
love the free private repos now
 
I disagree with that decision in particular but
 
11:51 PM
documentation could have been awesome for the community... but they had to go and gamify it and let everyone mess with it
 
Yepo. I think that was a bribe because devs hated microsoft buying gh
 
it did win them a lot of favor
 
@forresthopkinsa why?
 
he doesnt like free stuff I guess :P
 
people who are new to dev culture are very likely to default to closed-source, as that's more in line with the rest of the world outside of our subculture
 
11:52 PM
eh, github's pricing setup doesnt' work for us
 
unless open-source has some clear advantage for people who don't understand its bigger-picture advantages
 
we have a bunch of small repositories that don't get updated often, and a small team... so it made WAY more sense to use bitbucket
they all need to be private
 
by making open repos free, they're instilling an early affinity for open-source in newbies
 
@forresthopkinsa when searching GH I really don't want someones hobby project thats not worthy of use cluttering my results. If they default to private repo...good
 
I don't think I have ever had that problem
 
11:53 PM
thats fair
 
I have when searching for a library
 
@FrostyFire I think the opposite. I like looking at others peoples projects.
@FrostyFire Use google
 
I don't ever look for libraries using Github's search box
 
^
 
its sometimes better than google if you are looking for something very specific
 
11:54 PM
I don't think that's really how it's intended to be used
 
all i use github for is to see this room's meta repo
 
well yeah...
 
brb ... in a week or so prolly
gonna take a nap
laters
 
11:55 PM
o/
 
how long will it take for downvotes to disappear
2 years?
i'm thinking 2 years. 2022
i will suddenly gain a ton of rep
 

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