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11:00 PM
I asked it and you answered it.
 
Suit yourself
 
Lol
 
And then there were 3.
What happened to the legends like Madara?
 
They are here
watching
madera was seen 0s ago
 
I would expect nothing less from the rinnegan.
JBis what are you working on these days?
 
11:08 PM
remaking wordpress
with node
and you?
 
Building a web crawler for my company
Are you a professional developer JBis?
 
nope I'm 16
but I do freelance work
 
Wow. I've seen you on here for years.
 
Me? I have been on since like 2017 I think
 
I've had you pegged as an adult since then.
 
11:11 PM
Well thank you
:)
 
That's high praise
 
More recently I've thought of you more as the suit villain from My Hero Academia.
You know what I'm talking about?
 
@55Cancri no...?
 
err... nevermind.
What are your career aspirations JB? Am I right to assume software engineer?
Or freelancer forever?
 
Neither. Cyber Security. Application security engineer. So working with software development a bit but mostly relating to the security aspect, not as much the development aspect.
 
11:17 PM
fun
 
Its annoying tho. Very few colleges have cyber security programs. Many have "computer science", but its not really comsci. They generalize all programming into computer science. :(
 
Don't go to college to learn what you need, go so you can get the piece of paper that your prospective employer requires. If they don't require one, don't go.
You can get better education outside of uni.
 
I guess most is learning as you go
@forresthopkinsa well the piece of paper is very important (and I want to go for fun reasons)
 
Certainly depends on where you go
"Fun" depends on which uni you go to, and "important" depends on where you decide to work
 
Currently looking at Purdue University. They have one of the only 4 year specifically cyber security programs and its really good.
 
11:20 PM
Very neat
It might be more important in the security world but in most CS places, degrees are rapidly losing credibility
 
Yeah. But I think many times a degree gets you in the door. Your actual knowledge, skill, experience (and maybe certifications) and ability to interview well get you hired
but what do I know
 
Yeah, like I said, definitely depends on where you go
I've only worked at two places but it hasn't been a problem for me
My peers are still in uni and I'm making 75k
lol
 
did you not go to uni?
 
Went for a semester and decided it was a waste of time
(for me, specifically)
I know it's invaluable to a lot of people but it just didn't fit my learning style, and my prospective employers didn't care much about it anyway
 
interesting, how'd you get your employer to look over that. Or did they really not care?
@forresthopkinsa Yeah but might it be a problem in the future where you cant get a higher position (and salary) cause you don't have college degree or prob not?
Not at all criticizing your choice, just trying to understand :)
 
11:25 PM
Yeah no they're good questions
As for the employers, I just had to show them I was passionate and very skilled at what I do, and that was enough for them. Sure, there were a number of other places I'd applied that didn't call me back, and the lack of a degree was probably part of that, but the place I ended up was lightyears better than those places anyway, which is probably why they were forward-thinking enough to not disqualify me for the lack of degree
I think the only place I was turned down instantly was actually GoDaddy
Didn't really want to work there anyway
As for positions and salary -- IME, it's a lot easier to make your way up in a company once they can see firsthand what you can do
 
At the first place I worked, they initially hired me as a paid intern, but I made my way up pretty quickly. Worked there two years, started as a part-time paid intern, ended as a full-time project lead (for a small project)
 
@forresthopkinsa Yeah so it seems getting in the door is most important.
 
I was the youngest person in the company, both when I started and when I left, and by the end I had uni grads reporting to me lol
Yeah
Big places like Google, Microsoft, etc. have dropped their degree requirements entirely
Job requirements have lately started saying

"BS in Computer Science, or equivalent experience"
 
@forresthopkinsa While it's not a requirement it is often highly suggested.
stack exchange markup, don't you jUsT love it?
 
11:33 PM
yeah that was a struggle, I give up
yeah but I'm saying, if you can demonstrate that you have enough experience, then the degree is immaterial
 
yep that seems accurate
 
deeply depends on the workplace of course
 
idk where I'll work lol
Maybe I'll work at a company that doesnt exist yet XD
 
anyway, if you can go to your next job and say "I have eight years of experience in these languages and I was being paid six figures at my last job" then they're not gonna care much if you have a BS in CS
that could be! I started working as a paid intern at that first company I mentioned when I had just turned 17
so keep your eyes open
 
> I have eight years of experience in these languages and I was being paid six figures at my last job
Yeah but to get that first job it may be difficult
you may have gotten lucky
 
11:37 PM
If your standards are low enough, and you live in a metropolitan area, it won't be that hard
When I got that job, they were paying me hardly anything, but it was alright because I was there for the experience
 
@forresthopkinsa Nice! I interned at a company last year, was a very good experience. Did some security stuff. Internships are great experience and good to have on resume.
 
When I left, the next place I went to doubled that salary
Yeah for sure
The companies often want their interns to transition to full-time
 
how old are you forrest?
 
read it, I'm gonna delete it in a sec
 
I missed it!
 
11:39 PM
pffft
 
facepalm
 
one more tyime please
daual monitors!!!
 
you're serious?? lmao
 
was looking at the other for a second
dead serious
delete it!
 
hahahah
 
11:40 PM
wow man thats awesome
successful life at young age good on you
 
thanks! the route I took was pretty.. atypical, but I don't think I got that lucky
 
likewise
 
Dropped out of high school to start college early, started attending uni at 17, left a semester later because my job offered me a full-time position
 
what do you see yourself doing in the future? Rising up to a management position or stay working with low level code?
 
I don't really want to get too far from the code
I've worked with a number of people who were promoted up and up until they didn't ever even see code anymore
That doesn't sound fun at all, I do what I do because I like it
Anyways, you don't need to be a manager to make good money
 
11:42 PM
You are less financially motivated than I am ;)
 
A study done several years ago concluded that money does buy happiness... up to a certain point, at which further income actually decreases subjects' happiness
It's a bell curve
Guess where they found the tip of the bell curve was
 
75k
 
100k?
 
Yep
it's 75k
 
I learned that from Sam Harris.
 
11:44 PM
interesting
 
I learned that from Malcolm Gladwell
 
did they take into account their parents money?
 
My salary is 80k at 24 with an art and economics degree
 
^ good work! that's very impressive
@JBis wdym?
It was based on adults' annual income
 
If someone grows up in a 1mil house and then gets a 75k job, they might not bee too happy. But if someone grows up in a 50k house, than 75k sounds pretty good.
 
11:45 PM
Well that's actually part of it, but in kind of the reverse way: parents who made too much money had a lot of trouble raising their kids
Parents with too little money couldn't give the kids the things they needed, and parents with too much money couldn't refuse their kids the things they wanted
It made parenting a lot harder, and a lot of those kids ended up as adults with a really warped sense of the value of money
 
So whats the ideal annual income in the household for the kids?
 
low income
"Show me a great man that is the son of a great man"
 
@55Cancri I guess you should give 5k to charity ;)
 
70k is considered low income?
 
@55Cancri More impressive is a great man that is the son of a shitty man
 
11:49 PM
That is the only way it can work JB. Great people only come from bad parents.
 
@55Cancri It depends who you ask and where you are. Bernie thinks upper class is any two people making more than 37.5k
 
hmmm citation needed
at 75k I'm in the 77th percentile
looks like the one-percent that he always talks about are making > $330k
 
@forresthopkinsa I am smudging the facts a bit but his speculation tax bill had a clause that was intended to exclude the middle class. The exclusion limit is defined as $75,000 or less in a joint return (married couple). So 75k / 2 = 37.5k.
its ridiculous imo cause two blue collar works can make over that easily
 
hmm I'd want to see more info
 
Again, I smudged the facts a bit
end of page 32 to top of 33
 
11:59 PM
Interesting. Okay, thanks for sharing. Looking into this
 
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