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14:00
can an RO give some explicit warning to hellzone?
user9674579
What ?
@towc I think it's done now...
@towc uh, didnt I tell him already?
what else do you expect me to do
user9674579
What is hellzone ?
14:01
write a letter?
a strongly worded letter
@MasterDarkNight user
something like "If this happens again, you'll be banned"
otherwise it looked like it was up to debate
The point is made. And that time could have been spent explaining to mike that logging a promise isn't the thing to do
as I often take it that way
14:01
he's got this towc. but thanks for your advice.
user9674579
Sorry!
I'm sure he does. Just wanted to explain myself
towc. you are a slowpoke <#
user9674579
What is slowpoke ?
@MadaraUchiha I don't feel any negativity about the suspension; I just want you to know that so you don't think I'm going to throw a fit.
14:04
@ndugger I didn't think you would. glad you didn't take it very hard.
Completely unrelated; how does this look for a photographers website?
inb4 unrelated fits ;)
user9674579
?
@Luggage Thou Shall not become the creature that looks kinda like an ogre, acts kinda like an ogre, but isnt really an ogre. Its the other one, you know, a big one with a club, usually. But not like the club with a bouncer kind, the other club, like a medieval one. Like one they fight with and stuff. Yeah dont be that.
@MasterDarkNight just someone who is slow (literally, like walks slow, or responds late)
14:05
user9674579
Ok
Pshh kamil, do not send it to shrekoverflow
Just now realized that I took a photo of a screen
^ the real Slowpoke
@ndugger you really wanted us to see those red bulls didnt ya
14:05
@ndugger there's some nasty aliasing on the right, looks like a vertical rainbow
@ndugger I think I have those audio boxes too. Logitech Z... with bass ? :P
No idea; they were cheap speakers
and you drink lots of red bull
SEE I TOLD YOU
I used to have my hardon karmons hooked up to my computer, but that was a waste of harmon kardons
14:06
or get a good audio card
harman kardon*
eff
> hardon karmons
I'm special
user9674579
Cool
lol, the dojo framework is still in active development dojo.io/blog/2018/05/02/2018-05-02-Dojo2-0-0-release
oh damn, it looks good now
what the eff
user9674579
It has been in developement , did it stop dev in between ?
I just figured it died and faded into obscurity, like knockout, and ember
user9674579
14:11
What is eff ?
that ^
oh gross, dojo 2 has an api similar to vue. I changed my mind on it already
good day
user9674579
@Neoares and who is this ? Is it eff ?
I'm confused. It's like if React and Vue had a love child
14:13
well still have issue with my form validator
user9674579
What form validator ?
don't know why this isn't working
user9674579
Ohh......
It has a shit ton of decorators too. I will just erase dojo from my brain; pretend the past 15 minutes never happened
user9674579
Why ?
14:15
Because Dojo is just a mashup of bad ideas from other frameworks. It's nothing original or new.
user9674579
@Neoares what is actually eff ? A small sized human ?
I feel like if you mixed react and vue you'd just get react
To an extent, sure
like i've been looking at it
user9674579
Mixing react and vue we get review
user9674579
14:16
:)
user9674579
What's that ?
review
user9674579
Ok got it :(
that dojo2 is just a TSified version of dojo 1 ?
14:18
Is it? I'm not all that familiar with dojo
user9674579
Yeah !
the company crm uses dojo and diji as client side framework :/
had to check that
just eww *shivers*
you were right. reminds me to vue and react
@Wietlol I guess some people just live to see the world burn.
I guess I am some people
user9674579
@Wietlol why ?
14:22
lol @ their example
> const root = document.querySelector('my-app') || undefined;
It's got the class based composition like react, the shit ton of decorators like angular, and the functional interface for applying stateand rendering it, like vue
It just feels way over complicated
@MasterDarkNight see David's comment
oh weed, you must dislike Far Cry 3 then
user9674579
ok
emmm.... a brother is having a hard time with vanilla js not bothered with frameworks
user9674579
14:23
@ConnelBLAZE which brother
user9674579
ohhhh...
i need help with this vanilla js
React, preact, vue or dojo is not mine
@Wietlol do you have any tutorials you can link to for me?
user9674579
@ConnelBLAZE what knd of help
user9674579
14:25
@DavidKamer vanilla-js.com
that's the help i need
i'm doing a little form validation
@ConnelBLAZE and the problem is?
just to preventDefault
14:26
Wietlol ... stop with posting that w3schools link lol
no w3fools here
now if the username and passwords is the same with the ones i declared
I was asking for svg forms lol
carry out the action on the form
user9674579
14:27
@ConnelBLAZE Good
else reload or do nothing
but even when i enter cb and bc it still not loading
I assume you take keystrokes and render as svg text but without something like d3 it would take a day to figure out.
He's trying to do plain client-side form validation. i.e. listen for submit event, check input values, call preventDefault() (or not). (This is a carry over from last night)
14:28
MDN and w3schools are they not doing the same thing?
@Luggage thanks
@MasterDarkNight WTH, I'm not the one asking for basic JS, stop tagging me with that.
user9674579
@ConnelBLAZE Yes,though .... they are same by the way
@KarelG Isn't w3schools that shit xD
user9674579
@J.Ende why ?
Why what?
user9674579
14:30
Isn't w3schools that shit xD ???
@J.Ende W3 serves a purpose. Anyone pragmatic would agree imo, but Mozilla is way better
and isn't w3schools the main maintainers of HTML5?
user9674579
@ConnelBLAZE I don't think so ?
I think W3schools is nice for beginners but after you can't learn much from it anymore
14:30
@ConnelBLAZE that might change. They have some kind of obsession with codecs.
user9674579
@DavidKamer Yes
user1596138
@KarelG It's not like I am in the 2014 transcript. I found a link
anyway back to my form validator
@ConnelBLAZE they are beholden
i think w3schools isn't shit
14:31
W3C isn't w3schools! w3schools just used that name for publicity
user9674579
which trnascript
yes i know that
@ConnelBLAZE just use regex's with .test
user9674579
@DenysSéguret Yes, they are different
@ConnelBLAZE Absolutely not
14:32
god forbid
@MasterDarkNight tutorialspoint is where it's at lmbo
@DavidKamer i wanted something simple like what i've got there wont work?
@KamilSolecki I didn't forbid anything.
ITT the blind leading the blind
tutorialspoint is great
14:32
user9674579
ok
user9674579
bye
@DenysSéguret that reminds me of a programming language
user1596138
Recommend canvas libraries for React?
w3schools does not have any affiliation with w3 org. They only abused the w3 thing in their name
user1596138
14:33
I was using React Konva over the weekend
what about native canvas (serious question)
@Jhawins it mostly shouldn't matter if you are using react. canvas is canvas.
@ndugger hehe, There's some mathy asshole on the top of the pyramid forcing us to constantly lose our sight.
user1596138
Obviously
well.. i mean, if there some specific integration with react you want? I can't think of any myself that is very important.
user1596138
14:35
But I said I wanted to do react driven canvas and I feel like using a library
user1596138
Meh. I'm playing around, made a game made a little sim
react-driven mean you want JSX for eleemtsn on the canvas?
user1596138
No I'm using the lifecycle of react
user1596138
But Konva does have those
user1596138
<Rect, <Circle, <Path, etc
user1596138
I've never done any native canvas dev, I used to use Kinetic.js
user1596138
It's nothing serious tho. What is used doesn't matter I'm just experimenting atm
user1596138
I forget who sent me Konva, I started playing because I wanted to check out react-driven canvas with Konva specifically. WHich is underwhelming
@KarelG thanks can i kiss you?
first off... male or female?
Nope
14:38
SVG's are great
user1596138
I just wondered if there's any cool frameworks around :P. I suck at trig so I spend enough of my time on maths
nope
like they don't lose pixels on zoom
SVGs don't have pixels to lose
yeah
like other types
and you could use css to format
14:40
@KarelG even worse, they advertise their own stylesheet named w3css of all things -_-
three.js is on my list
stop hating...
@ndugger have you ever used svg for a form?
just a "thank you" is sufficient
@KarelG smooch
14:44
@DavidKamer No, but I've been considering using SVG for more, like buttons so you could animate the border around them
@KarelG thank you.
I also added the `preventDefault()
it's working well
I've quickly whipped up a userscipt to allow you to set a alias for a stack exchange user (So you can remember who they are if they change their name, on the site)
(Just noticed someone change their name on meta, rather annoying :P)
@Cerbrus Does it apply to chat?
@ndugger yeah. Possibilities are pretty endless and it's definitely an under used technology
14:45
Nag, only "main"
@DavidKamer Why would you do that/
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 2 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
@Cerbrus I just use CSS for that
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 2 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
.signature.user-4332216 .username:after {
    content: ' (Saitama)';
}
That works for chat
@littlepootis SVG for forms? To make really unique microinteractions.
cc @Ikari you made me write that :D
now write a userscript that pings SterlingArcher when I @Jordan
14:47
In main you can use an attribute selector on .user-details a
@DavidKamer Yeah, I understand what you mean.
For href^="/users/ID"
I think that svg it jsut the character, not the inputs. but I like it.
or whatever the syntax for that is
14:47
I'm writing major portions of this application in SVG.
this twitter pic shows some printed ToS of some known apps. Did not know that Instagram has a such huge ToS :/
@MadaraUchiha *=
legal TOS and privacy policies are a joke. I'm not sure how they're legal to be written so awfully and unreadable.
@ndugger You know I use SVG for Miaou, right ? I also use SVG a lot to build dynamic pages where the SVG shapes are always moving
@DenysSéguret The most memorable part of miaou is the svg ribbons you did for replies to messages
those are neat
14:49
The point is SVG is very cool when you want to mix the HTML DOM and the drawings
@Luggage that's cool. I'll have to pick it apart. I might try to write a library that makes it easier to make svg forms. It's not something I see a lot of support for.
I need to do more svg
Are there any issues with svg and accessibility?
@Cerbrus That's "includes", I wants "startsWith"
maybe i need to learn more of SVG
the shape under the mouse is SVG made
limited it to just icons
everything other than the sidebar and header is svg
a[href*="users/123456/"]:after {
  content: " (name)";
}
@ndugger do you mean like compatibility or like screen readers?
14:51
yes
everything
@MadaraUchiha @Cerbrus What's this about?
@BoltClock Permanently add a known text to the element that displays a user's name
To help identify people who change their names and avatars every fortnight
So that when they change their usernames, you get something like Ikari (Saitama) instead fo just Ikari
@MadaraUchiha How are you going to obtain/store this known text?
14:53
Locally
@BoltClock Hardcoded in my case.
Do you manually tag each user a la Reddit Enhancement Suite?
@BoltClock No, just the problematic ones, I currently have only one
.signature.user-4332216 .username:after {
    content: ' (Saitama)';
}
I just have a "map" object in my userscript
Yeah if you hardcode the username in every content declaration that should be fine
14:54
Then madara mentioned css was an option too
Does anyone else dislike overused ternary statements?
You could also store it as a data-attribute and use content: ' (' attr(data-oldname) ')';
a simple solution is to not allow renaming outside chat ...
what is this a chat for mods
@BoltClock I don't have DOM control.
14:54
@BoltClock Where'd you get the data then?
@corvid everyone does, we just have differnt opinions of when it's "overused" :)
I only have a user stylesheet.
no mods allowed in our chat room, please
@SterlingArcher well we ended up in meta twice.. not really surprised
@corvid you missed it
4 hours ago, by Master Dark Night
Hi, I have a JS function which returns the type of the "Input" variable,
It works nice in most cases but in two cases it fails to work properly,

Typeof = function Typeof ( Input ) {
	Type = ""
	Type = ( Input == undefined ) ? "Undefined" : Type
	Type = ( Input === null ) ? "None" : Type
	Type = ( (  "" + Input ) [ 0 ] == "[" && !Input.length ) ? "Object" : Type
	Type = ( Input === true || Input === false ) ? "Logic" : Type
	Type = ( Type == "" ) ? ( ( Input+1 === ( ( Input/2 )*2+1 ) ) ? "Number" : Type ) : Type
14:55
@ndugger brb, stepping down as mod
7
@ndugger I imagine you might actually do better with older browsers in some cases considering svg is an older standard but I'm speculating. Screen readers probably pretty bad, but you could overlay a hidden form underneath that can be interacted with through a screen reader. That would work great with value={this.state.something} in react
@KarelG This was horrid
yeah it is
I almost literally puked a little in my mouth.
@KarelG that pains me
14:55
@DavidKamer Did you know that MacOS' entire UI is based on PDF, and is therefore all SVG?
had to scratch my hair
@MadaraUchiha It's a 2002-er :P
@Cerbrus I didn't write code like that in 2002.
So, yea
Also I strongly dislike variable reassignment
14:56
Well duh
@ndugger ??!?! Like I said earlier, some people just want to see the world burn
Also, I don't like immutable.js
MacOS' UI and rendering capabilities far outshines anything windows has ever put out
@ndugger o.o
Microsoft still hasn't figured out how to render fonts properly
14:56
@ndugger Unless you're talking game UI :D
cus they does not give a fuck about it
sure they have, they have DirectWrite, they just never use it anywhere that matters
Steam is using that
I like that smoothing
@ndugger you are not wrong. I still prefer gnome gtk windows x system
@ndugger I wouldn't be surprised if it really was.
14:58
it is PDF-related.
or postscript or something.
@littlepootis I'm not lying; look it up
@DavidKamer what
In Apple computer's macOS operating system, Quartz is the Quartz 2D and Quartz Compositor part of the Core Graphics framework. Quartz includes both a 2D renderer in Core Graphics and the composition engine that sends instructions to the graphics card. Because of this vertical nature, Quartz is often synonymous with Core Graphics. In a general sense, Quartz or Quartz technologies can refer to almost every part of the macOS graphics model from the rendering layer down to the compositor including Core Image and Core Video. Other Apple graphics technologies that use the "Quartz" prefix include these...
user1596138
@DavidKamer x window?
14:59
@littlepootis Linux gnome gtk does windows tasks well with the feel of mac

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