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21:00
lol when twitter shows an ad of a girl being raped over an oscars red carpet video
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Are there such things as sponsored coin miners
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As in. I pay for a miner to run and receive only a portion of the profits
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I'd like to be the one running the miners in that scenario
21:02
I'm sure crowdfunded mining already exists
or like X people invested in X machines
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minerone.io, guess it's real
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It says in 36 months I'll make 80% (less 25% cause of some discount BS)
where's the benefit in that
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So yeah. Fuck that lmfao
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@KevinB You pay $5 you make $6 ($1 profit)
21:03
for either party
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You both made $1
I think that maybe PropTypes...isRequired should be ...isOptional. If you include it, it's required by default
Right, but why do that when you could instead just make $2
and not split it
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They don't pay for infrastructure or processing, you do. Then they keep some of your profits
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@KevinB Ease of access
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21:04
The initial investment of buying and configuring miners isn't exactly small..
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Especially if you're not into tech
use existing hardware
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In this scenario I don't have hardware
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It's obviously not aimed at people that already have miners laying around
just seems stupid to me, on both ends
dunno
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21:05
Well.... I'm not sure why. Seems like a great plan
just write a jQuery plugin and sneak a miner into it
1000000000 downloads in a week
$.miner()
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Your grandpa has $1M sitting with nothing to do with. Does he want 6% returns in some fund, or is he balsey and ready to go all in for that ~25% return this year from a crowdfunded miner (minerone.io is the example percentage)
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That is the most oversimplified way someone manages $1M ever lol
Hell, PirateBay was doing that for a while (dunno if they still are).. They were running a miner and anyone who visited was helping them mine.
21:06
@KevinB $(function() { $.miner() } });
close
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@hilli_micha No it's not that at all
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You pay to run dedicated miner hardware
@rlemon $($.miner)
@hilli_micha someone hid a miner in a favicon
21:08
I don't understand the reaction to mining scripts
what do you mean
Hiding in favicon, I couldn't even be mad, that's just impressive. lol
like, you don't understand why people don't like them?
if I know it's there, I'm totally fine with it.
21:08
@KevinB people seem to be unnecessarily upset
if they're eating my cycles AND showing me ads to pay for their shit, I'm less happy about it
like ads, you see them.
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I don't see a big issue either tbh
I'd be totally happy for a first-time-visit modal that asks me Ads or Miner
but if they're just hiding this thing in the background that runs without your knowledge, slowing your shit down, f that
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21:09
It's hardly doing work if you're using a realistic browser
dude, chrome is heavy enough as is
I don't need added shit bogging it down
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Their page will seem slow
if it's eating up CPU, everything will feel it
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What if I want to slow you down without any gain then? Like say. I use jQuery plugins to death
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I see both sides
21:10
i mean, some sites already do that with terrible ads and adblock blockers
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We run some XHRs sync on our legacy app. Are we also bad (yes)
try leaving wowhead open for 5 minutes
we're not discussing shitty sites tho. we're discussing good sites.
or any curse website for that matter
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@rlemon We're discussing TPB
21:11
@rlemon that would be ideal, but it's gonna be rare to put that kind of effort into it
@Jhoverit not specifically, I think you just latched onto that example
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It's thus far the only example?
and as such is only an example of a type of site. not the entire discussion
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I haven't followed others. I just know it's widespread, has been happening on Android apps for like 4 versions
@KevinB I know what you mean, MobaFire (League of Legends) does this..if you leave the page open for more than 10~ minutes or so, it'll straight up crash it happens quite reliably on this machine
21:12
it may be the only example pointed out here, but it's certainly not the only one that exists.
i wonder how effective the ABP filter is for blocking miners
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So in any case. Is a site slowing you down a bad thing
absolutely
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I'm being absurd I'll give it to you
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But how is it any worse than running a slow site? Too slow? Close window
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Like use something else if you don't like it lol. That's my answer to adblock, they're free to adblock block me if they want, I'll go somewhere else
21:13
one of the problems with mining is people like me who open a tab for 3 weeks
if a site is eating CPU for 'no reason' then it gets closed as a shitty site with no thought about it. if they told me they're running a miner to not deliver me ads, I'll be less quick to close them
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They want more money. Why would it be either or?
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I would run a miner and ads. Hopefully both work, probably 1 will. Makes total sense to me. The only reason I wouldn't is PR
a lot of subscription models include "no ads"
@Jhoverit That does pose an issue though, it incentives sites all around to create more intrusive methods of serving ads.
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21:14
Yeah it tears the system down as a whole. In this case "the stystem" is just an observation tho
if my sites were still getting 20k users a day I'd be mining off of them as well
without asking
@rlemon If I'm getting performance problems from a tab it gets closed regardless. Mine nice or mine not.
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We choose to be shitty :(
and I'd rub my hands together and smile
@KendallFrey onshape
21:15
good thing we have this browser, who's owned by a company that runs an ad network, adding functionality to block intrusive methods
I'm okay with performance hits if I'm using the service :D
@rlemon I stand corrected
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I'd serve ads too, as many as didn't affect my user counts lol. I'm out here to make money
though it stops itself after a few minutes
oh I 100% will always serve ads
21:15
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm on the same wavelength as you. If a site gets obtrusive enough, I'll just say fuck it and not bother., I really don't need whatever that site is offering that much.
The main reason I don't serve ads is because that requires effort
my tabs go into this auto-suspended mode after 10 minutes of me not using it
I made a shitload of money on ads, some months hitting 5k
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People forget the level of choice they have IMO
in a perfect world tho, ask if I wanna pay you out of pocket, or ads, or miner.
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21:16
If you don't like a site. Don't use it.
my choice, you still get paid
it's not about choice
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I have plenty of sites I just will not use these days
one company paid me 15k to host small ads for a year. So glad I served ads lmao
@KevinB I said in a perfect world.
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21:16
@KevinB What's it about?
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I mean you're the user
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You're being granted a service. You're in no position to do anything but use or not IMHO
^ agreed
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I don't yell at Kroger for putting bigass ads in the middle of the aisles while I try to shop.
lol
21:17
I miss Kroger..
Ok. so, the wowhead example. Your choice is, either don't get the information you're looking for, or, use this shitty site that is the only site that has it that rams ads down your throat
That store was pretty rad.
you're going to use the site
@KevinB or make your own I guess
haha
goodluck with that
21:18
if it's bad enough competition should come up
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@KevinB That would be a rare exception then where there is NO other source for this material. Even more incentive for them to do whatever they want..
but if they're offering a service you WANT then use it...
I mean wowhead isn't a requirement to play Wow anyway
sure
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21:18
Even if it was
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Don't play WoW if that's part of it
and even as a resource it's terrible
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Yall a bit too entitled. Jus saying
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In context. No offense meant
maybe so
21:19
@Jhoverit yeah that's how I feel as well tbh
@KendallFrey I absolutely love the sassy PR culture that twitter has allowed to foster with companies.
people feel entitled to content created by others which is so weird to me
if you want to be paid for it, ask for money
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I'm tired of a world where people can stand up and bitch in a big group and make companies/individuals change lol
@KevinB they do, in the form of ads
21:19
add a paywall
@Loktar IP isn't property IMO.
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It all comes back to this hive mind BS
@Allenph that little bit at the end means it doesn't matter
In your opinion 😉
I was just putting in my two cents.
Where does IP begin and end?
If i can get it for free without ads, i'm going to go that route even if it takes an additional step or two
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21:20
@Loktar Information belongs to everyone or something
Can a person own the idea of a car?
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All information...
@Allenph removing legal protection from IP would just tend to make people avoid sharing it, it seems
^ for sure.
Possibly. I just think it would change the market.
21:21
ads i'm fine with because i can see them and block them.
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@Allenph Did you ever learn about Ford
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Yeah. SOmeone did own the idea of the car.
Things like Netflix would be more common. The key is to simply make it easier to pay for the content.
There will always be pirates.
miners on the other hand, are completely invisible unless you're looking for them in devtools, that's slimey as shit
@Jhoverit It doesn't really matter.
21:21
BTW I think freely available information is the best thing in the world
You got my point.
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No I didn't lol
@KendallFrey that's because you're poor
/joke
My point is that IP stifles innovation.
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So what.
21:22
If only one person can legally create anything that can be described as a car...
@Loktar I meant libre, not gratis (mostly)
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For a certain amount of time, yeah
So everyone is worse off. The economy is connected to every individual.
@KendallFrey knawledge is free
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That's what drives innovation largely actually.
21:22
@Jhoverit How is that not a monopoly?
@Loktar lambos are not
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How does it not drive innovation
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What's the incentive to do something new if I don't get anything from it
people should most definitely be able to "own" things they've created
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My point is that we both have solid points.
21:23
@Jhoverit You would still get things.
O sweet. Recruiter email from Facebook. Does that mean I made it guys?
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Oh yeah?
You'd just have to get them in different ways.
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Google wouldn't just steal my idea and ramp up in 3 days?
Like I said, it would definitely change the market.
21:24
Not if you're tiny company A and huge global company B can do it better
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That's what would happen with every invention of any kind whatsoever.
@Loktar otoh, most successful products are polished versions of someone else's idea
Huge companies are almost always government sponsored and largely protected by IP.
you're screwed from the get go if you don't have rights to the product that they don't
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Giant monopoly company would steal every little idea as soon as it was proven and outscale.
21:24
@KendallFrey so you're saying the system currently works
The more common scenario is that "Company B" sues for copyright infringement on something that was super obscure.
people still get paid, and still make new things
well, every system "works" to some extent
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1 min ago, by Allenph
@Jhoverit How is that not a monopoly?
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37 secs ago, by Jhoverit
Giant monopoly company would steal every little idea as soon as it was proven and outscale.
21:25
hell they already do
look at yelp vs google
I was saying that owning an idea itself is a monopoly.
@Allenph The other side of this coin is what do you do with ideas that need a buttload of R&D to see realized? Do we just say "Well, you don't get to profit from this simply because you invested resources into making it real."
For me personally the best part is creating the IP, not using it.
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We're talking in circles already
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Offer a solution that isn't A or B, neither one is actually robust lol
21:25
@hilli_micha I'm going to make loktar gpus now!
Thanks Nvidia for all the research suckas!
@hilli_micha I don't get what you mean.
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If you wanna be philosophical, no IP. If you live in reality, IP
@KendallFrey for me it has to be that way
no one uses anything I make
@Jhoverit What are you smoking? China for instance doesn't really recognize IP.
I know that feeling
21:27
And you buy things that by your definition were "stolen" all the time.
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China is your example?
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I'm done with that lmao
It's just an example to illustrate a point.
@Allenph If I'm going to put a lot of work into making an idea and put even more work into seeing that idea realized, where is my motivation for doing that if it immediately means I gain nothing from that by having no IP protections?
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You have no point
21:27
@Allenph that China is poopoo?
For me the best solution would be to stick the MIT license on all patents
@Loktar That IP can't really be enforced anyways.
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China is a perfect example of why we need IP prootections lmao
Realistically.
make a famous product, put my name on it, I'm happy
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21:28
What...
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Did China try lol
@Allenph then nothing needs to change I guess 😉
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!!giphy mic drop
you ever have your hand hanging down to pet your cat, and then look and your 2mm away from it's butt hole since you're paying attention to chat?
risky pets
21:29
Like, I understand our system isn't perfect and things like patent trolling, etc, etc are real, but I think it's far better than the alternatives that exist.
@hilli_micha That's a good point and I don't really know the answer to that one.
you ever measure the distance to your cat's anus to millimetre precision?
But I mean, it's sticky on both sides.
@Loktar I hope that's cold nose I feel.
lol
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21:29
@Allenph That's the very first thing I said
don't talk to me about cats, i have a scratch halfway across my hand
So I ere on the side of not involving weird arbitrary magic rules.
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Any cool games out? I have to stay home tonight and have no idea what to do
cry yourself to sleep
factorio
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21:31
Tasha would be confused why I just came home and cried instead of hanging out
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I want to play through the first 2 Bioshocks but I don't own them
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I am NOT paying $20 each
i was going to suggest deus ex HR but it's not on special anymore
i didn't buy that when it came out because it was fucked, but it's much better now
@Jhoverit I just played SuperHot and I was blown away
actually literally
21:33
SUPER HOT SUPER HOT SUPER HOT
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@david Hmm haven't played that. I remember it tho
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@SterlingArcher The one that looks like total shit
what
you take that back
@Jhoverit nah man, it's one of the best games I've ever played
if you want a more casual fun game then slime rancher is really good
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21:34
Looks like garbage to me
superhot is fucking amazing
TAKE HAT BACK
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This?
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21:34
It's just some red angular shapes and white walls
VR version is better though
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I take it back
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But no.
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Next
@Jhoverit oh you're one of those plebs that judges a game by its graphics
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21:35
It also looks to be Doomy
> minecraft is just a bunch of stupid blocks, I could draw a better game.
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Like keep running and moving fast paced
@Jhoverit totally different feel though
it's all about being slow
It's like the opposite of fast paced
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Yea I don't want the pace and the utter emptiness of gameplay
21:36
Cause time stops
I've seen some video of people playing super hot. seems intense.
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Looks intense to me
it's fun in 2D, but crazy intense in VR
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There's not even a campaign
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21:36
> - Endless Mode - How long can you last against unyielding waves of enemies?
- Challenge Mode - Take on SUPERHOT with your bare hands, no restarts, timed runs, and more.
@Jhoverit Have you played The Stanley Parable?
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Nice Android game
@Jhoverit There is in the VR one, there should be in the PC one
sort of anyway
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Hmm
@Jhoverit you should play AaAaAA!!! - A Reckless Disregard for Gravity
21:38
heh, I remember that studio
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If I spend $20 on Bioshock remastered I can play it for more than 40min tho
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@SterlingArcher what's your steam
they were the first ones to shit out a game every week on Steam
@SterlingArcher oh that reminds me of a good timewaster
Ummm I think my steam name is FerretTheory?
21:38
AaAaAa was bad, the sequel was utterly unplayable, and their katamari clone was even worse
Superflight
everyone try Superflight
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@KendallFrey whats your steam
kendfrey
@KendallFrey looks like a good VR game
shame it isn't
21:40
oh yeah
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Neither of you even has superhot in your games list
I got it from Oculus
ok, steam invite spree, who else wants to be my friend
@Jhoverit I don't use my steam
i have superhot on xbox
i think most of my steam hours are from TF2 and CounterStrike?
I just noticed my Steam profile has my real name
oh noes
21:43
but your last name is boss
so leave it
Is it Schmiddty?
@SterlingArcher collecting hats like a nerd
@Luggage why do people always add letters that aren't there?
or omit letters that are
@Shmiddty because you spelled it wrong
I always leave out the t
21:44
@Loktar nay!
because it's a strange word, but similar to others
shmiddy > shmiddty
@Shmiddty holly still asks about you from time to time
She asks me about him too
you used to play d3 with her I guess.
21:45
oh yeah
The closest name I know of is the lastname schmidt, which it probably where I get the "c"
we never really talked much, though
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I'll probably just pick up Bioshock 1-2 for free and wait for them to be $3 again
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I own them on console lol..
I still haven't beaten the first Bioshock
it was a great game
21:45
except for the nudes. there were lots of those
I also need to beat Borderlands
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It scared me
@Shmiddty I know, she showed me them
nice abs
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@SterlingArcher did you find the creeper and shit on borderlands 2 lol
thanks bby ;)
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21:46
I didn't get further than that
@rlemon i prefer pla
have you ever printed abs?
well then, your opinion is moot
I've also never lived in a dictatorship
21:47
he was just being contrarian to steer the conversation in the direction of 3d printing
holy fuck it's already 4:45?
because this is the 3d printing chat
where did the afternoon go?
@Shmiddty I made one, no one joins it :(

3D Printing

all stuff related to 3D printing
21:48
before the chat scrolled up all i saw was ass
I'd 100% use that instead of invading this room with 3d printer stuff
better than talking about jquery, react vs vue and other common room topics :)
specificjQueryPluginWithNineDownloads.js - anyone use this? I need help.
let's face it, this isn't really the JS chat any more. It's our personal chat room
or "the bootstrap conversation". We haven't had that one yet this week.
21:49
luckily, most of us do JS
@Shmiddty well, once rooms start to form their own communities, that's bound to happen.
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We answer a lot of JS questions
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Sometimes..
like, one a day sometimes
@rlemon if SO didn't make multiple rooms so confusing...
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21:50
Sometimes we troll like 3 people in a day
I answer all js questions I know the answer to when they're asked.
^
people don't often ask questions here that aren't already answered
I think I helped answer a question today
problem is a lot of questions I don't know, or they're never asked.
that tic-tac-toe one
21:50
dance around a question and never ask it, never get an answer
I skip certain painful ones.
thought I didn't stick around for the conclusion
I've always been curious how many randos get useful answers here
it's a non-trivial number every week
@ssube a lot
if they ask a question, you answer it perfectly, and they never say another word... they got a working answer. and are terrible people.
there are days when we field 3 questions at a time all day
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21:51
^
noob: <vague question>
me: <simple followup question>
noob: <silence forever>
that's not even counting the vamps and fire-and-forget types
@Luggage bingo
also works with <detailed answer that solves their problem perfectly>
@Jhoverit haven't played 2
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@SterlingArcher it good
21:52
@rlemon no that one gets "but i don't want that answer"
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I stole them both from gamefly
I loved the 10 minutes I played of 1
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They never asked for them Idk
@KendallFrey "how can I do X without Y" -> "you have to use Y" -> "no, how do I do it without that?"
sometimes people dont understand not everything is possible.
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WHen they really just need to know how Y works lol
21:53
those people are called product managers
@ssube PM/BA are both made up roles and filled with the cousin of the VP
ayup
like, how do I get a business analyst job?
that seems super cushy and pays nice (around here)
s/yst//
be related to a VP, interview for something else, bomb the interview
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21:55
@rlemon No lol
suddenly there's a new BA opening :D
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Not here...
not cushy or doesn't pay well?
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They're super necessary roles.
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And ours don't pay well no
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21:56
Nor are they cushy
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What do you mean they're made up??
I SterlingArcher'ed my new keyboard :(
what'd you put in it?
coffee, i think
@Jhoverit in my experience, their job can be replaced by a good QA team and a competent team lead
21:56
so not a full Sterling but close
both of which you should have already
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So QA and lead make business decisions?
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Those positions are outside of development.
@rlemon I too would like to do business anal
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Maybe we mean diff things
21:57
@Jhoverit maybe yours filled the roll differently.
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Yea
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Well and I more mean PO than PM
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Idk ours is completely fubar tbh
the BA's I've worked with are mostly on a project level and make customer related decisions.
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Ours write requirements
21:58
like.. a weird job title for a nothing role.
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That I implement
I am now the proud owner of an 'orange pi'
@Jhoverit okay, yea, I guess similar.
i am not however the owner of a power cable for it
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So in my role like. If they don't exist Idk what Im doing lol
21:58
just less important in the companies I worked in. their job was to echo chamber their bosses decisions
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Yeah and put it in writing
because the design team and leads would decide on everything else.
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We have a half BA half QA right now
the BA just re-enforced it and went out to lunch with the marketing girls.
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He's jus getting trampled haha
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21:59
Our BAs are like all girls but the one
we had a decent QA team, and all development teams had a sr lead and 3-4 other members
(last large company I worked at)
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Lmao

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