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21:00
Probably better to write own responsive classes.
I like my material-ui
<standard_bootstrap_opinion_response>
bulma is also nice for some minimal uis
> that one super stock library not working? better write your own
Yo wont need 80 of those classes
That huge css file will slow your page load time.
What do they call it rending blocking css
21:03
I know I know bootstrap sucks due to the mega bloat
shame there's no way to shake that bloat out of the tree it's sitting in
they really need to make it @bootstrap-css/layout etc subpackages
I said urge guys :P
tree shaking
21:04
I can just use css-columns, flex and call it a day now
import "bootstrap/css/grid.css";
you can import just parts you need.
@Luggage :facepalm: i know that was a joke :(
Funny thing is I use bootstrap all the time lol
reboots humor service
21:05
On all my projects.
The last time I used bootstrap, I used to think I am a mega ultra super js ninja (aka i was an Dunning Kruger-ing enough to be considered Freddy Kruger)
just import what you need
@Luggage 500
Feel kinda bad knowing I dont use all those rules.
using bootstrap blindly, in its whole form, is like taking the entire workbench out of your garage and then wondering why it's so heavy but hasn't finished building your house
21:06
Knowing my site could be faster.
@ssube 2 for 2 on these metaphors.
<html><head>Fast Website></head><body>This is a fast and responsivewebsite</body></html>
I always download bootstrap to the bare minimum speak for your self.
download... bootstrap?
i don't use bootstrap anymore
21:07
you mean install the package(s)?
Customized version.
you dont want to download the entire package
like from the website, the little customization wizard?
npm install, then import what you need
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21:08
override it as needed
^ Gzipped
we use composer
in php
loool, then good luck buddy
we use coldfusion,, but we still use sass with node.js to handle our CSS
21:09
ssube I'm a full stack.
pbcopy | gzip | pbpaste
while u suck in your front end world.
now i wanna make something for possible sale and don't want to pay for private documents on onshape :(
Composer is painful enough that the higher ups at work gave me permission to totally ignore it :D
21:09
@SalOrozco so I can pop you but can't push you?
npm
garbage
words
🚽
your talking bad about tools
why are u so bitter
lol
21:10
cause I have to make those tools scale
u remind me of this guy from the php chat rooms
you run them every few hours, I run them every few seconds :(
are u his brother lol
!!giphy "apply cold water"
21:11
you guys need a hug
He is being honest
I tried using composer once, with Laravel, and I even liked it for a while, but then it broke, and it broke and it kept breaking
lol
is so easy omg
all package managers are the similar
the worst (readas: most likely to break) part is that it calls up a central repo of packages, then it goes looking for the real package
so for anyone to sit there and say oh this is bad this is good
21:12
that first step breaks all the damn time
they get the packages that you need.
@SalOrozco on the surface, maybe
@ssube THAT!
lol
of course front end guys would say composer sucks lol
npm and composer are the worst of the bunch
21:12
@SalOrozco ssube is ops
he is beyond fullstack :P
don't ruin it :(
he makes that stack work
I design too.
I was getting a kick out of him assuming I'm a dev
specifically a dumb JS noob :D
21:13
:P
I see yo guys are stuck in your stack.
@SalOrozco Nope
@SalOrozco I support almost every stack atm
you keep making these assumptions
I can comfortably switch b/w maven to using ninja (if you don't know ninja ... heh)
21:13
I do mobile too.
side effect of running the CI/CD system
who doesn't do mobile?
you gotta branch out of your confort zone.
native mobile
How do you think we got to react?
21:14
> I can comfortably switch from maven to using ninja (if you don't know ninja ... heh)
you wanna talk about bad pipelines, native mobile...
I was an angular/meteor guy before this
and not react native
there is literally no way to do proper CI with iOS
I manage cordova packages T_T (well now all hybrid)
21:14
as in Java for android
Been there done that around ~Android 1.6 iirc
Java for android is only a small part of mobile, you should break out of your comfort stack
Cordova sucks do Angular and ionic
Ionic is utter garbage
21:15
the publish/release process is a much bigger issue than building
angular sucks
like it even defeats meteor in being garbage
I used to do angular and ionic it sucks.
cordova and angular are good/decent abstractions Ionic manages to break them both.
Might as well just go the Java route.
21:16
you just hate everything, don't you
well, except PHP
have any specifics?
@SalOrozco Wait..wasn't your entire position thus far that it's foolish to pigeon hole technologies into 'bad' or 'good' because that's not jumping out of your comfort zone?
I'm trying to follow.
I like Rust/C++ 😛 can we just write all code in Rust/C++ ? That'll filter out most of devs :D
@ShrekOverflow get Go-od
have any serious alternatives to JS popped up yet that use (i.e. compile to) WASM?
@ssube Ok Rust / Go then :P
21:17
You just have to experience for your self. That way you can decide for yourself.
@Luggage Rust. Like :wow:
learn the right ways to do things first.
That would be stopping to use php ;)
Don't get stuck on a high horse like ssube.
Is there a nice wokrflow for rust and a layer to interact with the DOM?
21:18
(well not Php 7 but anything less is borderline ignorable)
us poor frontend developers, stuck on our high horse stacks
php is just a language I, use Java, ruby, pathon,
@SalOrozco what specific issues do you have with the tools you hate?
Pathon is a great champion in league of legends
21:18
Why the fuck do banks close at 5pm on weekdays
@SalOrozco Python* Most of us have coded, can code, do code in all of them.
It's like the most inconvenient hours
@SterlingArcher and never on weekends amirite?
🍪
your bank doesn't stay open till 6 on fridays?
21:19
Just opinions on them. They help me get the job done faster. NOt necessarily the right way.
I usually just go in the morning before work
my bank is online only
Most banks that I know of do that, stay open till 6 on Friday*. Hell, my bank even opens from 9-12 on Saturdays.
Just an opinion, just like you have yours.
I still use them.
21:19
@SalOrozco what specific problems do you have?
Why does it think we're in portuguese
you've thrown out a lot of opinions, but not a lot to back them up
@SalOrozco Its like, heh not using a condom gets me done faster, but I get STDs :D
banks don't need branches, they need better apps
^
and sane developers
21:20
You still have to use them to form your own conclusion. That's the beauty of learning new things.
no sane developer works for a bank
!!s/a bank/target/
My bank supports app based otp, where you enter the key they share on the webpage and your phone app can generate a token offline, which is literally HOTP T_T those idiots.
@SterlingArcher no sane developer works for target (source)
@SalOrozco what facts have you used to form your conclusions about these tools?
21:21
But Nick isn't a developer for target, he's a cashier.
you seem to have some very strong opinions about a very narrow stack, but no reasoning
My own personal experience.
Many projects many hours.
He is either trolling
or is at stage-1
he's been trolling for a bit, I just wanted to make it painfully clear :)
@SalOrozco Which should give you reasons
21:22
@KendallFrey Not necessarily, look around ....
thats subjective
@ShrekOverflow By the way, you chose a MBP in your quest to find the perfect laptop, correct?
if you can't think of a/the reason for an opinion, it probably doesn't matter anymore
most people don't get basic physics like falling objects right
@hilli_micha Its still ongoing
21:23
Everything is subjective. Some people like soda splashed in their face.
there's always a reason, even if that reason is 'i don't like it because i don't like it'
I want to build my own
not everything, plenty of things are supported by facts
21:23
@SalOrozco ok now you're definitely trolling
"facts"
I essentially want an MBP but with a bigger battery, 8th gen processor, iGPU is fine, 16 Gigs ram and insnaely good cooling :)
Composer is bad because it uses a flakey third-party registry to resolve github repos
I gotta go.
back to work.
"is bad" is an opinion, followed by a fact
21:23
s/oda/emen/
1 hour doing nothing but arguing with you guys.
welcome to the internet buddy
you didn't have to argue
@SalOrozco we were trying to be helpful
!!afk thai
21:24
PSA: SalOrozco is a known troll.
it would've been more fun if you actually tried, had links, something
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@SalOrozco I think Im going on like 6 years
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Pleb
Are actions usually promises?
@Jhoverit hurr hurr you have had better times, he is a vamp you are a wolf
21:25
You guys act like bootstrap is a real framework.
@corvid context, god
just a bunch of classes put together lol
silly.
@KendallFrey React/redux again
@SalOrozco you think that you know what we are thinking.
it's not silly, it's yuge, the best framework, all the other frameworks should look to bootstrap
21:26
bootstrap is just like jquery
@ShrekOverflow don't take the bait m8
I'm saying you guys claim to be expernts at bootstrap.
like it takes a rocket scientist.
2 mins ago, by Sal Orozco
I gotta go.
21:26
@SalOrozco who claimed that? please link the message
@ssube you
I did?
when?
I'm not even sure what the argument is.
false assumptions
@Luggage pills!
21:28
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Q: Add another function inside succes ajax

Slim.aouadiI want to add another function in my javascript function can i do it after the succes element of the ajax ? the JavaScript Function : function ajouter(idd) { var test = idd; ...

did this user really just ask if they can define a function inside another function
in some languages you can't
So I am going to write cross platform pbcopy, pbpaste this weekend :D
and publish them on npm
what is pb
peanut butter
pasteboard
basically on OSX atleast
21:32
what is pasteboard
you can copy paste from terminal
cat foo.txt | pbcopy
insta copy^
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@SalOrozco maybe compared to you.. But nah
pbpaste > file.txt
21:32
pbpaste | grep "I amma power user"
I have used

$ cmd [| tee] | pbcopy (example not a real command)
more often
@Luggage try yes | pbcopy
pbcopy : The term 'pbcopy' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name,
or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.
on windows :)
it's some third-party terminal tool
I know
I am writing the node varient
also I don't think windows has yes either
why?
so that i can carry it around
21:36
why write a perfectly good cli tool in node?
vOv I like it ?
not that I'm claiming this one is good
What are you saying? don't use node for his* idea?
It'll have a disclaimer don't use this use the binary instead on the readme :P
i agree node is an overkill
the package only needs std::stdin>>std::pasteboard; in principle
why write a CLI tool in node? so you can install it with npm.
21:37
npm has quite a few non-node tools on it
@Luggage maybe, depends on how well the clipboard is supported, I guess. Something that can make system calls seems more appropriate here.
i don't disagree
but counter point: if you are already using node, it's an easy way to get a pqckage manager and install a command on windows
that is true, although you don't need to use node to take advantage of the former
there are a few Go tools I have that use npm for downloads and updates
that sounds like how some JS libraries are distributed in Nuget
which always bothered me
I'll see if it really helps to use node
quite frankly it's just a very good runtime
but for copy paste its kinda overkill :P
btw I ran yes | pbcopy
and it has now filled 11.3 GB ram :D
i have yes but I can't tell if it's from WSL or somethign else
using which is not clear
PS C:\Users\dmull> which yes
/usr/bin/yes
21:42
it shouldn't matter?
it just prints y or yes
no, but I wanna know
@Luggage That means WSL right?
I think. Confirming now with the shit git left in my path
For me it is
I have a C:\Program Files\Git\usr\bin\yes.exe
21:46
fucky
it's not WSL, it's git
I do too
git-bash with the "add mingw tools to my windows path" option, isn't it?
winpty.exe exists on windows and not WSL so I used that
Not sure how that would be the same one though
21:47
I always used that and the fix-my-fonts option, until gpg4win got weird about it
@ssube yup. I found them useful in the past but might remove them from my path
yeah, they're great until something breaks
so, my home pc and work pc are both up-to-date windows 10. One has wsl.exe and bash.exe one only has bash.exe
which is a horrible name, bash.exe.
did you install the wsl pre?
pre-what?
21:58
im not sure what their term was. before the creators edition of windows 10 you could install the wsl manually. i dunno if it was a beta or test or whatever.
i know it was different to the final release of it
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Bout to call ndugger
i don't recall. this pc was installed around that time
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No I just liked this design and the animated countdown
you had to click through a few menus and opt into the beta version, iirc
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21:59
Just stole this, is like 12 lines haha codepen.io/carsy/pen/VvqJwm
it took some finding
yea, turn on developer mode and then enable it in 'features'
and 'developer mode' is no longer needed
wait WSL is enabled by default now?
but I don't recall order of install and it whouldn't matter. if wsl.exe is supposed to be there, it should just be there.
in react I have a div with an onclick. Inside that div I have a button. How can I not fire the div's onclick when i click on the button? right now it only fires the parent one
22:00
Remove the err argument from .then() and I'll upvote. — Patrick Roberts 49 secs ago
no, but you no longer have to enable develoepr mode to enable it
it's available by default, don't think it's enabled
1. turn on dev mode (no longer needed)
2. Enable in 'Turn windows features on and off'
3. Install distro (can go to windows store or use bash.exe)
Seriously though. React is awful. Why on Earth do people get so psyched every time a library takes simple poorly documented things and makes them overly complex with fancier documentation!? Just learn JS people!
on my home pc (creators edition) i installed it only from the store
on my work pc, 1609, i had to do the developer mode thing
i do not have wsl.exe, but i do have bash.exe
22:03
i'll just write for bash.exe -c instead of wsl.exe since that seems to be there always. But still aggravating that it isn't consistent.
maybe uninstall/reinstall?
when my work pc gets an update I will try that and let you know if you like
oi @Luggage did you see github.com/koute/stdweb
if that's the same stdweb from earlier, yes
ok
is that ok for your requirements ?
i was just curious about the state of other languages, not looking for a specific library, but yes.. that is evidence of progress in that area
I mean.. that was part of the whole picture. I also wonder about workflow
debugging, etc
22:10
i would still keep js/ts for js stuff
sorta like I share code b/w typescript/javascript and C++ in node
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Q: No .htaccess, is a JavaScript full stack development possible?

gregbast1994Description I was hired as the 'Website Manager' at a small business in northern Michigan. This company has 4 eCommerce sites all hosted by Yahoo Small Business. Yahoo does not allow its users to modify/create the .htaccess file. I've considered switching to php, but the owner is afraid of los...

std::document sounds like a bad Idea for example (imagine handling DOM APIs in C++)
> I've considered switching to php, but the owner is afraid of losing his current SEO ranks.
two wrong things
that makes a right!
'Website Manager'
i guess that's basically what my title is
22:14
webmaster
web manager
web supreme leader
they asked me a while back to write a job description for what i do
it was... rather difficult
that's an impressive question/answers
> Q: hey guys, will this break my site?
> A1: use this link
> A2: you suck, this is not an answer
Remember when I said that I hate OAuth?
Well, I still hate it
22:21
why
it's not good, but it's also not SAML
Because it's awful. Though to be honest, I think it's Target's implementation of it in conjunction with SSO
yea, saml is wretched.
basically the worst of soap
soap sucks to work with
XML fever
r/kendalljokes
@KendallFrey
@ssube should i just ignore a question like that next time (zero snark, just curious)
@KendallFrey aw yiss my favorite YouTuber
i know my answer was bad, it probably should've been a comment
@KendallFrey he has a good one on “buy-sexuals” as well
he has a good one on everything
22:42
@Mosho How're your feet?
you’re*
you'r'e'*
My bad
m’lady*
22:45
M'm'ms
Ⓜ️
Are yall also aware of the most amazing YouTube channel
He has like 200 vids
Smoking in different places
He is dedicated
lol
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Relevant
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22:51
> Cigarettes in unusual places
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!!afk din din
oh god no
@KamilSolecki excellent

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