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20:02
lol
😆
Why don't I get any bricks?
@rlemon literally clicked that 3 seconds before you posted it
20:05
maybe that 3 seconds was lag from Can -> UK
high quality pants
@BenFortune fuck the discretization
I am so sorry
this says a lot about me and I hate it :/
20:11
@towc why
I mean do you live in 2014
read above
no, he's just a basement dwelling cringe lord with bad dreams
I used to live in 2014. I'd like to think I changed
@towc did you?
I DUNNO LANA, DID I?
20:13
no
THANKS LANA
I just received a job offer because "we liked your Stack Overflow" profile
2
wtf
I used to ask when I was a noob
They are impressed that you figured out how to change your profile text. That puts you in the SO 1% club.
knowing to change your profile text puts you in the top 1%
O you are being sarcastic
20:18
@rlemon I'm alright with this
lol it's awesome
he seriously sounds like he's constantly huffing sulfur hexafluoride
@Shrek im having so much trouble getting https to work
@SterlingArcher nginx?
20:28
Why did this room go full autistic for like 20 minutes good lord
@rlemon nah pm2
they don't wanna use nginx
@SterlingArcher ...
shut up i can't think right now
20:29
This isn't even my job >.<
you'll still configure https in nginx
afaik
I might not see what's happening, but pm2 has almost nothing to do with https, right?
that's my understanding
Well, we're not doing any port forwarding, i think that's their reason they don't wanna sue nginx
@ssube would likely know more
20:30
plus then we'd have to get nginx whitelisted
@SterlingArcher Don't act like you're not impressed
@SterlingArcher well https isn't 80
so you'll kinda have to do that.
what does pm2 have to do with https?
they both have a p in it
you do not want node exposed directly. you want it behind a real web server. If that can't be nginx, then something else.
20:32
@rlemon I know, we're running on 443
yes, so you'll want to consolidate that with nginx
That's not my call :/
sounds like the people making the call are confusing you
apache?
I never actually got a node app to run on https. Heroku has helpers for that, right?
20:32
either way, a real server
like I said I shouldn't even be doing this right now
@Luggage I've heard this said before, but why? Is node insecure? Or is it more about load balancing for scalability?
My job is to build the app, not deploy and host it
HAProxy?
I've configured https for nginx which is in front of my node
20:34
@ndugger kinda, yes. nginx does more sophisticated handling of http. node is very bare bones. I can't think of specific vulnerabilities, though...
then I let the cert expire and haven't fixed that yet
but hey, got it working :P
less to worry about if you leave that work to nginx/apache/iis
well, https can't work right if it's not on the right domain, so it would be kind of pointless anyway (my heroku thing)
7 hours ago, by rlemon
@towc hey, don't listen to @towc
20:37
ok. Let me start again
started playing FO4 again, first time in survival
loving it
does heroku make it any easier to deliver https?
@KevinB hrm.. ESO just got the morrowwind expansion
I haven't played in like a month
what's morrowwind
oh, elder scrolls online
expansion for Elder Scrolls Online
new maps and a character
20:38
yeah i haven't touched that
ESO is hiring developers locally to me
i bought it a long time ago, never installed
(I'm about a mile away from their office)
I have the expansion as well. Played it for like 15 minutes before I got bored... MMOs are just the worst
I bought it for pc, played it for a little and got bored
20:39
i already ahve WoW
don't need eso
lol
my brother and GF play on the ps4, so I bought it for that
a lot more fun when you know people
I'm digging GW2 at the moment
garden warfare 2
I started a new rimworld last night tho
so I either wanna endgame it or have everyone die
did you... kill everyone? 0.o
20:39
this most recent patch was pretty cool... the next raid tier we'll be going to Argus, a legion world, and you can see it in the sky everywhere you go
even kalimdor/eastern kingdoms, in dungeons, etc
@ndugger actually a decent game tbh
waiting for rimworld to go on sale
@KevinB WoW or rimworld?
I've played neither so sorry about my ignorance
20:40
@Loktar meh... own it on pc... it kinda sucks in my opinion
neat
same (about owning it on PC) I liked it before the community died
looks surprisingly gorgeous too
I'm enjoying roller coaster tycoon on my phone these days
on my phone i play fallout shelter
i feel they reward too much in-game, the shop is pretty much pointless
i have more caps/resources/nuka cola than i can use
is there a country-agnostic bank?
20:42
bitcoin
@towc for what purpose?
I guess I can get everyone to pay me btc and then transfer that to paypal...
games I'd recommend (pc):
rimworld
KSP
terraria
Rebel Galaxy
Astroneer
Don't Starve
This War of Mine
Factorio
Stardew Valley
Banished
Bastion
FTL
SPAZ 2
... all I can think of right now
@Vap0r storing money
Don't Starve can be very annoying
I haven't made it past 10 days
20:43
I think I'm ok with keeping the money under the mattress for the next couple of months until I figure out what's best
I more meant the country-agnostic part of it
but I need to find a way to get hard money from the clients
Braintree is owned by PayPal and they accept Bitcoin
I can get them to pay on paypal probably, but then what? Maybe transfer the money to a friend and get them to give me their hard money
@Loktar we should start a thingy for recommended vidja games for other chatters
20:44
@towc uhhhhh, nobody is going to pay you in bitcoin
NHS wouldn't even pay me in bitcoin
@rlemon yea that's be cool
@ndugger I could try it as a joke a couple of times, see if they're actually up for it
no, stop being a weird kid
anyway, the can pay directly to my paypal, that's not much of an issue
20:45
@towc I doubt anybody would ever pay you for contracting work via paypal
@Loktar could be a file on the room github
They'll want a direct deposit to a bank account, or they'll issue you a check
all members have access to change that, and there is PR's for non RO regulars.
@rlemon If you're feeling ambitious, a Steam curator
@SterlingArcher the way I imagine it, I'd ask them to sign up to freelancing websites so they can pay me through their systems, and I legally risk a lot less
20:46
@towc remember, the people paying you need it to be legit as well.
taxes and shit
but I would be losing like 20% of it all
@towc freelancing websites != contracting
You'll be literally signing a contract
It's not some fiverr kind of gig
space engineers
You'll sign a contract for allotted hours, and they'll pay you via their payroll
> yea, I'll take the job. but you have to launder the money into these three unnamed accounts. thanks.
20:47
emperion galactica
which you have to pay taxes on and claim
@KevinB I wanted to like that game
subnautica
ok, I probably need to hire a lawyer at some point :/
20:47
i like it in small doses.
@KevinB have you tried Depth?
never heard of depth
store.steampowered.com/app/274940/Depth it's fun if you like FPS and underwater games
You don't need a lawyer lmao
@towc or honestly just stop being weird and join the rest of us in reality
20:48
You need a lawyer when you get audited for handling your money in weird ass methods
@rlemon Reminds me of an underwater version of Evolve
can't you just work from the Bahamas
ah, iv'e watched someone on twitch play it, not really my kind of thing
it's fun
I'd have thought that as a contractor, I'd be the one who'd mainly be handing out the contract terms
20:48
oh honey
no
"this is my rate and this is what I'll do for you"
It's getting irritating having you come in here spouting off your delusions about how the world works and then come to even more deluded conclusions based on your weird dreams of being different from everyone
@towc you should become a freelancer to make loads of money. Forget these guys if your clients won't send bitcoin then they aren't the clients you want to have. They are on your terms
you'll be their bitch
@KevinB ahh 😛 it's 75% off tho :P
20:49
i don't like team games
I really need to sort out what freelancer and contractor means
Also, we definitely need some notes as to who/why we're recommending the game, e.g. this games is for people who like MMORPGs, this one is for the strategy fans, etc.
@towc pitch your rate all you want, but be ready for aggressive negotiation
Games I'd recommend PC
Don't Starve
Factorio
FTL
Recettear an Item shops tale
Bastion
Atom Zombie Smasher
War for the Overworld
Swords and Soldiers
Gratuitous Space Battles
Orcs Must Die
DeathTrap
Starbound
Terraria
Infested Planet
Torchlight, or Fate
Dark Maus
Binding of Isaac
Wolfenstein the new order
Doom 2016
Transformers war for cybertron
Transformers Fall of Cybertron
Mount and Blade warband
Shadow of Mordor
Total War Games
Left4Dead 2
Homeworld Remastered
There's really no difference between freelancers and contractors, all definitions therein are arbitrary.
20:50
Random list of some of my favs
@KendallFrey @Loktar aight, I'm going to toss up a repo when I get home
@towc "fib" on your CV. It's kinda like lying but with more moral ambiguity. Went to kinder-care in Oxford? NO! You were the direct ward of an educational instructor in the prestigous area of Oxford!
Contractors may have their terms, but if they don't adapt to the market, they're screwed
it's ten to five, so no point now
@towc either title doesn't grant you rights to dictate the contract. You might be able to negotiate, but the company always dictates your role and responsibilities
20:50
@rlemon summer sales are slowly getting at me
just please get a real job
I used to love team games when i was younger, WC3 Dota, ut99, ut2003, but... then i got into MMO's and sandbox games
now i can't stand team games
and stop this madness
-80% - how can I not
@towc work for the mob
20:50
I just don't look at steam
!!afk my contractor is pissing me off
problem solved
Degree in theoretical comp sci = theoretical degree in comp sci. Go for it!
!!afk packup then home
I like exploration/survival games
20:51
Make them pay you through Western Union Moneygrams!
@KevinB Don't Starve, then
so, I've looked a bit
and tax-wise and for the most part in a legal context, there's no real difference between a contractor and a freelancer
fallout and skyrim for example nailed it for me
which means that I should be able to use services like fiverr
really liked assassins creed too
20:52
@KevinB I've heard good things about The forest
I vote we kick towc for being a weird kid
although that may piss some companies off, so I'll restrain from doing that
I agree with ndugger completely (and I don't like it)
My favourite games are ones that let me be creative in a functional way, rather than an artistic way.
minecraft
20:52
You could say I'm not artistic, I'm autistic
minecraft lets you do that, if you mod it properly
:p
minecraft is the worst game ever made
the base game though.... is mostly artistic
@KendallFrey good idea on the curator, made a steam group soroom17
Oregon Trail with mods is decent now since 5.6 update
20:53
@KendallFrey uh stop ruining jokes for people
@ndugger The game, not so bad. The community is cancer though
@KevinB One of my favourite things to make was a redstone slot machine.
I just liked automating everything
no goat simulator is the worst
@KamilSolecki Don't worry, I stole that one from IT Crowd
20:54
@BenFortune although, who cares about community if you can pretty much go full SP
@BenFortune no, it's a shit game. cry.
@KevinB cough Factorio
@Loktar steamcommunity.com/groups/sojs already existed :P
I enjoyed minecraft for redstone only
yeah, factorio... dunno why i can't get into that
20:54
@rlemon yeah but amaan is the only admin
Tibia is best game
ok, apparently by common sense I'd be a freelancer, not a contractor
minecraft is legos for bronies
he should make some officers then or something
@SomeGuy change that
make Loke an admin
20:54
@SomeGuy is like never around
@KevinB I'm armpit deep in the addiction right now
factorio just doesn't work for me, i get bored really quick
I don't think that dude even plays games!
@Loktar he's on every second or so day
/me jokes
20:55
@towc if you had common sense, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and you would get a job
just doesn't talk or do much :P
yeah I see him at night
@towc freelancing is hard work
he should add a few of us though @rlemon
you, me, and any other big steamy people
And clients can refuse to pay if they don't like your work
20:55
@ndugger I already said my primary aim will be a remote corporate job. I'm looking at possibilities
Try freelancing on fiverr, you'll experience it first hand
but yeah I'll do the GH thing too, because there are great games not on steam or better elsewhere
stop being weird
/me deletes this soroom17 group
@KevinB Do you not like continually optimizing? I find it so hard to stop
20:55
HAMMERTIME!
towc pursue your dreams of under the table development, never get a job
@SterlingArcher and if you get them to sign a contract beforehand to prevent that, you technically become a contractor anyway, right?
flag fail
🎏
@Arrow I don't do shady stuff. I just like bitcoin
20:56
@ndugger most remote corporate jobs would be contracts technically. Normally (I should say always but don't want to be absolute) this will be a contract with terms dictated by the company
@Loktar is it just me or is it getting hot in here
@towc in a manner of speaking yes, but you don't seem to understand how contracts work
@KendallFrey well, what usually ruins it for me is when i need to double production of thing x, but don't have room to do so in the way i want to, so i have to reorganize an entire layout, just gets tedious
I really don't :/
20:57
A private P2P contract is going to be generic af, and you don't want to hire a lawyer for a $100 gig
!!afk guess what? SPACE GUN! BAM!
with minecraft that's not really a problem, you can grow vertically when that happens
and most people won't want to sign a crazy complex contract unless it's a company
The problem is that he has virtually no real experience and expects to be handed the moon and the stars. He's delusional and needs to get a grip on reality. We all start from the bottom. It's what you do while you're there that matters.
@KevinB ah yeah, I'm getting a bit of that right now. I get lazy near the end. My next world is gonna be so much more scalable.
20:57
@SterlingArcher I didn't hire a lawyer for my employment contract for my salaried position. Is this something that people do?
@ndugger I have a fair amount of part-time experience
I'm considering Factorissimo
user1596138
He's just going to codementor.io forever
(Is that fun or just cheaty?)
user1596138
And Fiverr
20:58
@towc You're like 16 years old... No you don't.
@Vap0r no, because you didn't draw up your own contract, the company who hired you did
> I have a fair amount of part-time experience
> he's delusional
@ndugger started from the bottom now we're here
you guys are agreeing lol
Unless a private non-company person literally is giving you a salary?
unheard of btw
20:58
is that the mod that lets you build a factory that has essentially a floor you can put machines on, infinitely nested
@ndugger I've been doing freelance AND employee-thing part time since 2015
i loved a mod that did that in minecraft, hah.
basically all the time
@SterlingArcher no you're right, I just heard all this talk about lawyers and got confused and though I goofed!
2 years guys
@towc you're not 16, I imagine to you to be 27
20:59
had a base that on the outside consisted of a single block
2 years is not much, but it's very far from nothing
@towc 2 years as a minor, doing part time work... that's not "a fair amount of experience"
@Arrow 17
you're delusional
omg
20:59
@ndugger it's a fair amount of part-time experience
@KevinB I once worked on a 'messenger
user1596138
He's not delusional he just doesn't see reality
user1596138
Owait
@towc I'm trying to be a lot nicer than @ndugger since this morning, but truth is behind his meany-faced words
@towc no, it isn't. you need to get a grip on reality

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