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6:00 PM
sounds like your dad has a type
and that type is chilis waiter
 
Yep
 
@ssube difficult to strip away if the word is a acronym itself :)
 
which isn't that weird, since my type is caribou barrista or bww server
 
like mouse (device) or mouse (animal)
 
like, disturbingly specifically
 
6:00 PM
What is going on with this room?...
 
user1596138
I can;t seem to get to Chart view
 
@KarelG mm, yeah
 
@Josiah yes, we have no idea why the lag is there :/
 
@ssube Both do tend to hire attractive women.
 
What did I miss?
 
user1596138
6:02 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I see a bunch of "Long frames"
 
user1596138
They have changed the way the timelines show..
 
Yeah, I really can't figure out the causality :/
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'll finish eating and have a look
(can't guarantee anything though, obviously)
 
Please :)
 
user1596138
I'm not sure I'm actually seeing the issue here
 
6:07 PM
It's pretty fast on my computer - it's slow on my Boss's, the odd part is we have the same computer (exact same model, bought at the same place on the same day)
 
user1596138
Mines smooth it was only jumpy the first time
 
user1596138
Is there an actual chart?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you're cleaning your fan, the boss isn't :P
 
@Josiah there are charts if you turn on analyst consensus
If you add ~20 stocks then just hovering on different rows causes a 90ms reflow
 
user1596138
Oh the little pie charts
 
user1596138
6:09 PM
Oh I only had 5
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It means he's watching porn on that computer.
 
The table is slow though, not the charts or at least I think that. The most worrying part is that I have no tooling and this seems like a really common problem.
 
At the very least, more porn than you do.
 
@MadaraUchiha I seriously doubt that :(
 
user1596138
Yea the more stocks I add the greater the delay between the hover states if I run the cursor through the list
 
6:11 PM
Yeah, we added pagination but that's a poor man's solution and it's still slow.
 
The stack is React+Redux, React was updated to 0.15 today but it was as slow or slower before
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum lol
 
The DOM is < 3000 nodes, not too huge
 
user1596138
Oh man now I see it...
 
6:12 PM
/r/cableporn doesn't count
 
Less than half of this page.
 
user1596138
@Megaplex Lmfao!
 
I suspect something is causing a "bail out" here and makes Chrome work really hard but I can't really figure out what or why
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ohhhh. Have you used the React perf tools yet?
 
@Josiah Mosho has, they don't really tell you why the reflow itself takes so much time.
 
user1596138
6:13 PM
How far down does an average prop get passed? i.e. how many nodes down
 
@Josiah Pretty far down, but every layer has a shouldComponentUpdate and objects are mostly immutable.
 
user1596138
Nice
 
user1596138
Your page froze my Chrome..
 
The shouldComponentUpdate checks themselves were pretty expensive, but Mosho worked on that, I'm more concerned by why it's so slow DOM wise.
@Josiah :(
 
user1596138
6:15 PM
Whatever it is it's kinda big lol
 
user1596138
Usually you don't repaint 460 nodes per hover state change
 
user1596138
Rather.. Recalculate styles for them lol
 
> An-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu
 
@Josiah note that the left and right parts of the table are sticky if you add more properties, so it's actually 3 tables and hover can't really be css only - it's adding a class which changes the background color (that was also changed today)
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum you are updating the class like 20 levels up with the ID of the hovered row.. Maybe something CSS-wise is changing everything underneath that :?
 
6:19 PM
hmm
@Mosho what's the difference between the .blessed.css and the .css ?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum One's Kosher?
I know where the door is.
 
@Megaplex good.
 
I shouldn't poke fun when you're clearly trying to resolve an issue.
 
It's fine, I'm not at work now, I'm just genuinely curious why this happens
 
Is this still possible? dbaron.org/mozilla/visited-privacy
 
6:22 PM
@William I think that not for several years
 
darn
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum it's that CSS class.
 
user1596138
You guys have like a bunch of these
 
maybe with background images or something
 
user1596138
` .table-wrapper.hover-N`
 
6:23 PM
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@Josiah Please don't post unformatted code - hit Ctrl+K before sending, use up-arrow to edit messages, and see the faq.
 
@Josiah if you remove these styles it's fast :O?
 
user1596138
And then a TON of rules change a ton of levels deep underneath that
 
user1596138
There happens to be the same number of nodes affected when I change it ;P
 
user1596138
Idk like 460 elements get changed as soon as I change that class
 
user1596138
So Idk maybe that's not the cause. but it does cause the exact same thing for me lol
 
6:25 PM
@Cerbrus Of course, if you had a problem with it, you could have tagged me or used the "take it to chat" method. I'm going to contest edit on meta. I'm of the opinion you're being prideful and either don't understand how to code or don't understand how to read a revision log.
 
user1596138
This is confusing. Timelines used to show which class or whatever changed... There must be a different view somewhere
 
user1596138
Either way, I'm not helping and I need to continue working :P
 
@Josiah yeah, very confusing.
 
user1596138
But also
 
user1596138
The things don't happen simply from scrolling the page
 
6:26 PM
I haven't asked a question in a while. Is this acceptable "Is it possible to determine if a web page has been visited by someone?"?
 
You are helping, but by all means I didn't mean to take much time or for you to debug our code.
 
user1596138
They happen from scrolling the page with the cursor over the rows hovering them
 
@William google analytics :P?
 
user1596138
So yeah I'm blaming the hover state classes :P
 
user1596138
If I just scroll the page with the cursor off to the left sidebar there's no issue
 
6:26 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum using the :visited css selector
 
If you remove the background - does it still happen?
@William not between domains, that hasn't worked in a while.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah I know it's cool I just wanted to look for a minute was all
 
There are security issues @William
Cool, thanks
Any idea how you'd approach the hover otherwise?
Maybe we should do the whole thing with divs instead of tables :/ It is a table though
 
user1596138
Well the problem seems to be from having the hover class so high up in the table
 
user1596138
Why isn't it just on the nearest container of all elements affected by it? Like the row
 
user1596138
6:29 PM
And yes I tried it just now if I remove those rules the problem goes away for me :P
 
user1596138
I would try and make the row know when it's hovered, but not the table. Might take a bit of refactoring tho
 
benjamin just tested it you are right
in chrome
 
user6225166
hello . current topic?
 
> JavaScript: htm is basic for Java
 
not anymore
hmm, it's out of date
 
6:36 PM
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whoops
 
:( Free Pancakes is better
 
Should I flag this question as inappropriate? (it's trying to find out how to screw other people with a man-in-the-middle attack) stackoverflow.com/questions/37842570/javascript-exploits
 
damn lack of merge conflicts
 
or is that a legit question
 
6:37 PM
it is too broad
 
yes broad
 
I know it's not javascript, but do you think you guys can help me with a relational database problem? b:
 
@JoãoPaiva maybe we can, maybe we can't. What's it to ya?
 
but in a more general sense, is it okay to ask a question on SO about how to hack, screw or compromise other people?
 
@JohannesB in an academic sense, usually yes. Otherwise, usually no.
 
6:39 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum looks like the design can fit table { table-layout: fixed; } and this will re-use the measures from the first row for all subsequent nodes; that would keep tables on the... erm table
 
It is very contextual, though.
 
when working as a SQA 'hacking' was part of my job.
 
@JohannesB no but just ask how to avoid such problem and you can essentially accomplish the same thing.
 
@ssube I have posted a question on stack overflow, do you think you can take a look?
 
@JohannesB He says that he managed to perform a MITM attack, yet he asks for examples to inject scripts ?
 
6:40 PM
if you were to say "as an engineer, how can I go about setting up this crazy nuts MITM attack on my lab network, because I need to test herpy derpa doo," then you're probably good
 
user6225166
@rlemon your serious?
 
had I known about SO back then (had it existed) I would have asked so many Qs
 
Yeah, he asks for examples that exploit users browsers to totally screw them over
 
if you were to say "hello from USSR, I am here for to steal your data, Ameriketskys, how can I do this?" then not so much
 
@FilipDupanović cc @Mosho , I don't think that would help though.
 
6:41 PM
@GNACBetombo ofc. I worked for an elearning company. white and blackbox testing. part of that was making sure students couldn't mess with the system or other students.
 
@GNACBetombo his what?
 
@GNACBetombo there is people whom works as hacker. They have permission (<-- very important) to attack a company network / software to find security threats.
 
@KarelG that is the minority and not SO target audience I would think
 
@JoãoPaiva that's not JS related, and it's opinion based
 
6:42 PM
@KarelG our old compliance guy from work (and my old landlord) went to work in pentesting
 
@KarelG What's called white hat, and they usually have their own circles to discuss in.
 
@KarelG I've always assumed that was just assumed to be done by the SQA team. am I learning other SQA teams do not set aside angel hacking hours?
 
man dat ping
 
@William white-hat related programming is totally allowed on SO, though
 
@JoãoPaiva also, approach #2, seriously no need to normalize everything.
 
user6225166
6:43 PM
@KarelG cool. how to become a professional hacker?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum, there are some general database practices though
 
user6225166
XD
 
@GNACBetombo get a job in computer security or testing.
 
@rlemon our QA saw a terminal once when they came over to complain a server was down and literally, I shit you not, asked "ooh, is that the unix? Do you use that?"
 
@JohannesB look at the question
 
6:43 PM
there is a study program in my country to learn that: computer security
 
@JoãoPaiva that's super opinion based :\
 
@ssube yes, also approach #2 is much better :P
 
@ssube our entire SQA team (like 8 people in its largest) were all able to code. ASP.NET + c# shop
 
@ssube I thought there would be a "proper" way. Some sort of convention for this specific problem, that's why I asked :/
 
@Megaplex the hat system is to categorize. I usually don't use these terms.
 
6:44 PM
I'd say there are two cases, if you are sure that forever and one there are only going to be these parameters, approach 2 would be the best, otherwise approach 1
 
@ssube isn't the only difference between white and black how you use your knowledge
 
no, permission
 
therefore hacking is alloud
 
@JohannesB even if they might change, if they're logically grouped then #2 is better.
 
Okay, okay, you win, it's opinion based
 
6:46 PM
@KarelG White is ethical, meaning that you may or may not have permission. There are -plenty- of pen testers out there who do nothing but try and find vulnerabilities and report them to companies that have security bounties (Google, Firefox etc).
 
asking questions about hacking on SO isn't disallowed, but don't expect much help unless you can convince your audience your intentions are pure
 
@Megaplex you've a valid point.
 
@KarelG I should, I got certified in it while in the military, lol.
 
@rlemon that, I wouldn't vote to close but there is a good chance I'd downvote.
 
@Megaplex white hat means you do have permission, if you don't, it becomes gray hat
 
6:47 PM
time to search up
 
@rlemon we're moving in that direction, after getting rid of the former manager of QA, who hired a whole pile of bottom of the barrel contractors
 
It's the first time I encountered such a question, that's why I asked, wasn't sure what to do
 
I should post a question claiming I have permission to hack google
 
brown hat means you are full of shit.
 
@VeronicaDeane Is the grey hat terminology new? That wasn't a term utilized in the course I took.
 
user6225166
6:48 PM
good night . go to sleep.
 
@William no, it depends on whether you're a wizard or not
 
@Megaplex No, but it's not a common term
 
@Megaplex nah, gray is pretty old. white = pentesting, paid+good, gray = freelance+good, black = freelance+malicious
 
There's a 1m fund around if you can change the google logo or smth, IIRC
 
> White hats are security researchers or hackers who, when they discover a vulnerability in software, notify the vendor so that the hole can be patched. It used to be that white hats were rewarded with just an acknowledgement in the patch release or a T-shirt and other swag from the company they helped.
lol'd
 
6:48 PM
don't forget paid+malicious
 
@VeronicaDeane "without permission, but with no malice intended" I always thought of as "angel hacking"
 
@VeronicaDeane Reminds me...I should see if I have all my books and see about re-certing.
 
if you hack them without permission but don't break anything and tell them, it's technically bad, but with good motives and you probably won't get in trouble, hence "gray"
 
@ssube, I had a youth crime record for doing exactly that
 
unless they press charges
 
6:50 PM
It's bad
 
hence "gray" and not "white"
sometimes you'll get in trouble for it, other times you'll get praised
 
@JohannesB tell me more what happened? Has it prevented or helped you get jobs?
 
depends on the company
@JohannesB I had a buddy who hacked his HS' website and got in some trouble, with charges. It wasn't super serious, but not good.
 
@JohannesB Are you Zero Cool?
 
@William, when I turned 18 the records are cleared in Belgium
 
6:51 PM
he went on to work for Irrational and then Riot
 
@JohannesB lucky not in the US
 
I hacked my HS, but they didn't press charges
 
but can't get a job at Rational or Peaceful Protest.
 
it was the company that provided the platform that pressed charges
 
@ssube we flipped the teachers pictures upside down. didn't get in trouble (didn't get caught for that one). we got caught putting stuff on the server tho, our punishment was "tell me how you did it and I won't get you in trouble"
 
6:52 PM
as about 50 other schools were using it
 
@William uh, yeah they are
 
and I wholly compromised it
 
dude saved the ftp password in the client, which was also all his other passwords.
password sniffer ftw
 
@ssube ok well you can still go to jail then
 
you can go to jail, but minor charges are sealed when you're 18 and nuked a few years later
felonies sometimes don't count because, yknow, they're a big deal
 
6:53 PM
darn I should have hacked more before I turned 18
 
maybe just don't do felonies in general
 
'hacking' wasn't even really hacking back when I was in school.
internet security, hell, computer security in general was a joke.
 
jup
still got a database lying around somewhere with over 5m email adresses
 
I can buy 50 million for $5
 
gotta go fast
 
6:55 PM
yay data farming \o/
 
I have a database with all the phone numbers ever
 
well yeah, it only gets intresting when account numbers are involved
and unencrypted passwords
 
big data telephony mining
 
phone books are so ugly
 
I will probably always regret not changing my grades and trying to get into a really good college in high school
I was scared they would find my out
 
6:56 PM
"hacking" in my HS days was downloading as asterix sniffer because everyone everywhere hit 'save password' on their publicly accessible computers.
 
jail time
 
super fun at the time, super script kiddy when I think about it
 
I hacked the platform based on an SQL injection and a broken eval command
and sold the HS wifi password for cash
good old days
 
@JohannesB that is pretty cool
 
we just wanted to play Elasto Mania on the school computers.
:shrugs:
 
6:59 PM
The most I did was learn how to disconnect myself from those damn lockdown programs
 
i don't sell stolen things like passwords
 
@ssube Fun fact, they're not actually nuked. I thought they were too until my background check for my clearance was being done.
 

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