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6:00 PM
@ssube There's no such thing as "official" in open source.
 
@MadaraUchiha there's nothing in the spec
 
@littlepootis you're gonna confuse the newbie. JSON is a string.
 
@ssube I think Backbone.Forms uses JSON for its schemas
 
@ssube That's just...I don't...you're a vacuum.
 
6:00 PM
@ssube your data is inconsistent because you use mongo
 
> JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) is a lightweight data-interchange format. It is easy for humans to read and write. It is easy for machines to parse and generate. It is based on a subset of the JavaScript Programming Language, Standard ECMA-262 3rd Edition - December 1999. JSON is a text format that is completely language independent but uses conventions that are familiar to programmers of the C-family of languages, including C, C++, C#, Java, JavaScript, Perl, Python, and many others. These properties make JSON an ideal data-interchange language.
source: json.org
 
@Zirak because you want to put it in me but know it will be a bad idea?
 
You're the opposite of batman
 
@ssube No, because you suck
 
@AndréSilva normally nowadays you exchange information between server and web pages with JSON-formatted strings. It IS OK to send whatever information you want as long as it can be encoded in JSON.
 
6:01 PM
@Zirak piderman?
 
ballwoman?
 
namtab.
 
:( Thanks all
 
hmm I cannot edit my quote to remove characters... it says the message is too long on edit chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/30039028#30039028
 
I dressed up as piderman for halloween a few years ago
a friend of mine was baman
 
6:02 PM
was there a supeman?
 
no? there's no such thing in the show
 
@littlepootis There was an uperman
 
._. wut
 
perman was a show on some channel here once
 
6:03 PM
@AndréSilva Do you know what XML and CSV are?
 
X.. Markup Language and Comma Separated Value ?
I don't remember what the X is.. my brain tells me eXtreme but I know it isn't
 
eXtended
 
That ^
 
!!define egregious
 
6:05 PM
@AwalGarg [egregious](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=37402) Exceptional, conspicuous, outstanding, most usually in a negative fashion.
The student has made egregious errors on the examination.
 
@AndréSilva Extensible
!!define xml
Which is a total lie, since there's nothing extensible about the language.
 
archaic
remarkably good.
^ google says this for the same definition. what does this mean?
 
Also my bot is disobeying me.
 
I guess you broke it
:(
 
@AwalGarg That the following definition is archaic (that means that it's super old and no longer in use).
I have never seen "egregious" used in a positive light
 
6:06 PM
@Zirak besides the part where you can define new tags?
that's what they meant by extensible, not the actual syntax
 
@Zirak well, that bit doesn't make much sense. They suddenly decided to switch the meaning of the word to the opposite?
 
@ssube That's not extending the language
Under that definition javascript is extensible since you can define functions and variables.
@AwalGarg That's literally the worst thing they could have done.
It's literally killing me.
 
lol ok
 
@Zirak yeah, but JS was named by an entirely different sect of marketing whores
 
damn learned something about .fill
it's kind of shitty to use lol
 
6:08 PM
the "let's copy that other thing!" group rather than the "let's add buzzwords!" group that named XML
 
there is something corresponding to npm link but actually does what npm publish should do (= publishing only the files in files section etc)?
 
Array.fill doesn't do a deep copy. All references to the same object. If you change one object the everyone will be the same — isvforall 34 mins ago
which can totally screw you
 
Always fill primitives
 
@ssube Actually I think they just wanted the ML suffix since it's derived from SGML and HTML, and the X was something stupid, like one of the author's favorite letter
Or that if they added X in the beginning it was the author's initials
It was something stupid and arbitrary, "Extensible" came later.
 
@Loktar I'm researching viral growth in games, and it all seems to be coming down to the viral coefficient of the player base. In your experience, what makes games keep you?
What's typically that "wow" factor
 
6:10 PM
@SterlingArcher The cheevos
 
Must've been X'mas language
 
@SterlingArcher oh man I really don't know.. usually some kind of carrot
its rare I play games more than 2 weeks honestly
 
We have carrots D:
 
and those are only games I really love
 
@Zirak ?
 
6:11 PM
@Zirak is right as well
for some people anyway
 
If you add cheevos you'll get bboy360 to play your game, which is instant world fame
 
Achievements
and yeah BBoy would be a huge boost
 
Are.. these things real things?
 
Make sure there is no endgame, or a point to play past endgame
 
bboy360 is about as real as it gets
 
6:12 PM
We should've funded his movie kickstarter
 
I mean being dead serious
 
@SterlingArcher Have you watched Extra Credits?
 
That would've been so worth the hundreds he was asking for
 
stackoverflow.com/q/36726138/6220751 ... I shouldn't have answered it. It is just why use a library over native..
Is there a duplicate I can flag there?
 
6:13 PM
@Loktar we can make a parody. CBoy 360 or BBoy 361
YouTube would eat it up
 
@Tuvia He didn't understand what immutablejs does
 
@Loktar My brain just leaped out of my head and beat the shit out of me for watching that.
 
@Zirak Yea, you think so? See his comment on my answer. I dunno.
 
Right now I'm trying to research ways games keep their player base happy. Our ad money is limited, and we don't have the man power to keep up on social media :( Even though we have like 400 likes on fb
Super frustrating to see that asset just sitting there
 
Can you integrate into real world? Like geocaches
But get items or something
 
6:16 PM
@SterlingArcher seriously, go watch all of these: youtube.com/channel/UCCODtTcd5M1JavPCOr_Uydg
The best "how to make game gud" info on the internet
 
I need to find a way to make it so when a player shares something on fb or twitter, they get a gift
 
for instance, look at this:
@SterlingArcher go make a good game and people will play it, ignore all this stupid "Growth Hacking" social K-Factor stuff.
you don't want to be a Farmville clone
 
God no.
A major roadblock is most of PRPG is old old old code. So we're overhauling that, and it's taking a super long time
 
Seriously, go binge on Extra Credits tonight. Spend a few hours just watching all the ones that catch your interest
 
10/10 worth it in the long run though
I will definitely, thanks!
 
6:18 PM
it's all PHP, right?
 
Yeah, PHP4 though. So we've upgraded to PHP7 and started making pages into angular apps for more dynamic page approaches
Overall feedback on each page we've changed is great, and it's already attracting new players. In the past month, the retention rate has risen from virtually 0 to about 10%
 
Awesome!
all volunteer work?
 
Yeah, just people who love the game
It's a team of 11
 
@SomeKittens agreed
 
3 coders, 2 mods, 3 writers, 2 graphic artists and 1 publicist
 
6:23 PM
@SterlingArcher I'd be happy to do some productized consulting (i.e. test your onboarding and talk my way through it) sometime.
 
not sure if anyone really enjoys the social sharing.
 
@Loktar Yeah, in my poorer days I did it just to get the stuff but I often deleted the post after I got the gold, etc
 
@SomeKittens any advice would help immensely. That's why I asked people here to run through our tutorial and provide feedback, and the feedback helped. A couple little things were changed and the response was immediate
 
@SterlingArcher sure! I must have missed that, did you go through it on Hangouts?
 
nah, it was pinned in here lol
 
6:25 PM
Have you read Don't Make Me Think?
there's a section in there about user interviews and gleaning the most info
 
For reference, the immense back end changes: before my 1 year hiatus, coding was done via ftp and that was it lol all live changes. Now there's a docker'd version that you run locally, and push to a git repo, which uses a deploybot to deploy to live
1000x better development there alone
 
Hey guys
the data that we receive generally from any server if using request module in in body parameter right?
 
Hello!!
@lok
 
hey @LightFlow
how are you?
 
6:31 PM
@Loktar your username reminds me warcraft II :p
 
in body right?
 
@GandalftheWhite close
 
I'm fine thanks
 
@LightFlow as it should :)
glad you said Warcraft II instead of WoW haha
 
it's the body of the response
 
6:31 PM
there will be the JSON response right?
 
zug zug!
/me heads to meeting
 
I am guessing Yes and Yes
 
@Loktar hahaha
 
@GandalftheWhite might be JSON, might not
 
being new at these things is so stressing at times
 
6:32 PM
@Loktar These were the days!!
 
you should check the MIME
 
I know ssube
it can be text or encoded data or JSON
I read some stuff but I just wanted to be sure
 
@SomeKittens that worked out so well. jesus. I have a PHP to Poptart script running
forgot I was running it
so confused. :D
 
@Loktar LOK'TAR OGAR!
 
Ooh, new mobile chat
@rlemon for Sterling's game?
 
6:34 PM
no in the chat
it converts "PHP" to "Poptart"
 
@rlemon Haha
 
@rlemon wait … Did I hear something sounding like blasphemy?
 
I want to ask you something which may seem stupid, I have noticed that in youtube and github every time you load a new page you see a loading bar on the top of the page while the new content is loaded, this is done using Ajax, right? Are they using any framework for that or is it their own implementation?
 
@bwoebi yea, I really should censor myself when mentioning PH*
 
@rlemon nah, the correct censoring ist P*P … the hypertext is a lie!
 
6:37 PM
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Q: How does github's page load progress bar work?

Shiv DeepakI just noticed github added a progress bar on the top of the page when the page loads. How does this work?

 
@bwoebi Pre SymbolThatLooksLikeACatsAnus Processor, got it ;)
 
Thanks @MikeAsdf but are they using any specific framework for that? Do we know it?
 
Yeah that answer is too short
 
@Tuvia Answered, explained what it offers.
 
How are single-page applications made without using hash urls?
 
6:40 PM
!!tell MikeAsdf mdn history api
 
@Zirak Wow. That is an amazing answer :-)
 
@rlemon exactly … it preprocesses your Javascript bullshit into something sane
 
@Tuvia No way in hell you read all of it so quickly
 
@Zirak I read all of the last HP book in a couple of hours.
 
6:40 PM
@bwoebi LLVM
 
I skim :-( my wife complains about that
 
@rlemon I don't find LLVM IR very readable though
 
So I probably cannot write a book report @Zirak
 
@CapricaSix Do we know anything about their implementation? Is is a framework?
 
@LightFlow it's an API
 
6:42 PM
@bwoebi my biggest problem with PHP is everything is $this and $that, I don't need my language to remind me I'm poor. :'(
 
!!tell LightFlow echo "I am a bot"
 
/s
 
@LightFlow "I am a bot"
 
hmmm it copies the quotes. interesting
 
@Tuvia haha lol
 
6:42 PM
!!tel Tuvia just do this m8
 
@Tuvia just do this m8
 
@bwoebi looks at zend opcodes
 
@rlemon oh. cool. do not even need echo :-)
 
@rlemon Solution: replace 0x24 with the nice unicode Poo character.
 
!!help tel
 
6:43 PM
@rlemon tel: User-taught command: <>@$0
 
!!help tell
 
@Tuvia tell: Redirect command result to user/message. /tell msg_id|usr_name cmdName [cmdArgs]
 
@AwalGarg I can read them! (eeeehm)
 
tel, not tell
 
Yea. that func is not documented there
oooo
tel. fun.
missed that.
again. I skim as @Zirak can now attest
 
6:44 PM
You also skimmed the part where the bot said tel is a user-taught command.
 
@Zirak Ha. I did not notice that rlemon used tel. I thought it was a mistype
 
!!info tel
 
@Trasiva Command tel, created by rlemon on Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:12:56 GMT
 
@bwoebi Maybe a familiarity thing, then? I have read LLVM IR of only simple programs out of curiosity and those looked okay-ish.
 
@AwalGarg possibly, I don't actually recall LLVM IR, can't tell now…
 
6:49 PM
Can't watch baman-piderman #21 because.. mature content.. smh
 
@AwalGarg looking at it right now, it looks pretty simple… but Zend ops have the disadvantage that single ops actually describe pretty complex things, while LLVM ops are typically also simple.
 
@littlepootis wanna make a band?
 
yeah, that's one thing I really didn't like about zend ops.
 
@AwalGarg that's rather something which is caused by the dynamic nature of PHP, the ops needing type handling and thus making them much more complex than the really need to.
 
@Zirak a very handy user taught command
 

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