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3:00 PM
wait, that page crashed chrome? I don't believe you
 
one obfuscation thing I was thinking of was simple and stupid bit rotation. I don't think I've seen it used before, and it probably works well
@AwalGarg after I open the console chrome slows down immensely
my computer can't handle chrome anymore and doesn't let me use it
it's not a proper chrome exit
sorry bud :/
 
@towc that part is intentional ofcourse. it shouldn't crash though.
 
yeah, no
 
@KarelG I think I would have at least taken it for a test drive first, you know, so that if I am going to wreck my life on account of being flashy, at least I didn't do it in front of all my friends and family
 
Who here thinks that the ES6 class keyword is a good idea?
 
3:02 PM
NOT ME
 
@Charlie it shows proper intent
so it was an excellent idea
however it should be very very well understood it isn't a real class
 
*gets behind lead shielding*
 
@Charlie well, people who say that JS has classes will finally be right, no more need for debates
 
isn't that what ECMA always did? Hiding functionality behind deceptive wordings?
2
 
but other than that, there's not much good with it
 
3:04 PM
so class is just the next step
 
class shows intent, but does not add a new inheritance model.
function Foo() { // ohh is this a class-like object?
..
}

class Foo { // transparent

}
 
EMCAScript's deceptive nature is why we all still have jobs!
 
I think Object.create() was a way better and more "honest" way to improve prototypal inheritance
 
They were doing us a favor
 
Ensuring that only methods can be set on a "class" sends out a very clear message...
 
3:06 PM
alongside object compositions (mixins), it is pretty awesome
 
@SterlingArcher job security!
 
I read that as EMCAScripts descriptive nature
 
Yey it worked !! thanks @rlemon for the article :)
 
@AndréSilva no prob bob
 
Can a factory be a singleton?
 
3:08 PM
Here we go...
 
@Neil he has rented the car btw. Even if he has a successful test drive, accidents on road can happen. But it's a silly one.
 
@Charlie allows getters too from the initializer, but I see your point.
 
Do you think the JS community will be able to stand firm when a glut of Java library ports come rushing in?
 
@SterlingArcher @Josiah WHEELIE!
 
@Charlie no, we'll burn them
 
3:10 PM
@Charlie this has been happening since forever (well, 9 yaers)
 
> Crossfit keeps getting weirder and weirder
 
people have been porting things to js for kicks
 
Almost every language has been ported to JS
 
!!s/Java/PHP/
 
@AwalGarg Do you think the JS community will be able to stand firm when a glut of PHP library ports come rushing in? (source)
 
3:11 PM
heck, once we even had the infamous jQuery language being ported to JS
 
php.js.. python.js.. haskell.js.. binary.js
 
coldfusion.js
photoshop.js
 
phantasyrpg.js
starcraft.js
 
we use angular now :D
 
3:12 PM
kendallsmom.js
 
@SterlingArcher 1 or 2?
 
we don't speak of number 2, unless you're a fruit
 
I do
 
Angular... jsp.js?
 
angular 1
I haven't touched angular 2 yet
 
3:13 PM
I'm sorry for your loss
 
I hear it's quite different
 
it doesn't even feel like angular from what I gather
 
Which is good, since angular 1 is terrible
 
this is just creepy
 
3:14 PM
never used either for more than 10 lines
 
I love Scarlett
She's like... my #1
 
@rlemon she moves nothing like a real human
 
@SomeGuy ha!
gold
 
The skin texture is impressive, though
 
3:16 PM
@SomeGuy lol
 
@SomeGuy holy moly. dat edit
 
> I just imagine OP bringing a date home and instead of watching a movie he grabs his projector and shows her a one hour lecture by Stallman
 
> Actually it's "GNU/virgin"
 
@SomeGuy is it just me or does his writing remind you of @Zirak :P
did you find Ziraks alt reddit account? :P
 
3:21 PM
> To avoid confusion I've taken to calling it GNU 'plus' virgin. Because virgin is such a low level function that only describes how my hardware works.
 
@SterlingArcher this is why I don't like slack
I don't like services that tell when I'm typing
 
But google hangouts does that ._.
 
@rlemon Hahaha, oh shit, it does
 
@SterlingArcher yup
hate it
 
@rlemon Oh I know! Sometimes I'll screw with people and just bind my space bar so they think I'm typing a whole mess for like....ten minutes. Then delete it all and walk away.
 
3:23 PM
I like to make it look like i'm typing up a very very long message then just send "k"
 
reminds me of taylor sweft
 
I shall call her Taylor XCode from now on.
 
that thread is the fucking best
 
Could anyone say what license is this: github.com/deostroll/jscrab/blob/master/LICENSE
 
3:32 PM
Can someone please remind me how short circuting works in js?
 
@deostroll BSD 3-clause
 
Sounds like BSD
 
Say I have an object person wich may or may not exist.
If I have
if(person || person.name === 'john'){}
 
@Thaenor schrodinger's Person?
 
it stops if person is undefined or will it throw an error because it doesn't know person.name?
@Trasiva aye
 
3:33 PM
Latter
 
It's the && right. With a logical AND the compiler doesn't check the second statement if the first ins't true.
 
@Thaenor yep
 
no wait, with && it checks both
 
Yep, short circuited logic.
 
@ndugger no
 
3:34 PM
conditon && condition2
checks both conditions
 
If person is null it will stop, otherwise it will check the second statement.
@ndugger It's short circuited.
 
Are you talking about with ||?
 
@ndugger Only if the first one is truthy
 
@ndugger at first yes, but then I corrected to and
 
@JanDvorak yes
oh, he said isn;t
I read is
reading is hard
 
3:36 PM
@ndugger IKR!
but turns out my error ins't where I thought it was... it was another try catch block
 
I dee kay, my bee eff eff Jill?
 
no
 
And now I made VS look for all try catch blocks in the solution... it nearly died.
 
You'll meet the same fate after prolonged use
 
3:38 PM
@ndugger El oh el!
 
Don't
 
@littlepootis Don't use try catch?
 
Don't use vs
 
btw, made a new animation after a while :D codepen.io/towc/pen/wGjXGY
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@rlemon how's your finger doing?
 
Guys I have a dumb question. Is the system.js step needed when using webpack with angular2? Couldn't you do that in the webpack stage?
 
3:40 PM
There's nothing wrong with Visual Studio. Don't be a banana
 
@towc this is [wow]
 
@ndugger what's wrong with bananas now?
maybe you're a banana and just don't know it yet
 
@towc I like it, nice.
 
thanks people :)
 
@towc Is that a real neural network (CS style)?
 
3:42 PM
@SomeKittens no, it's a BS rapresentation. The nodes just die off, they don't go anywhere and aren't connected
 
@towc oh, still really neat
 
it would be more real if the impulses came from the outside towards the inside
 
@towc healing, slowly. :P
!!afk burrito
 
!!afk also burrito
 
gosh. I had this problem, aka not finding why it is not working and now that I found that problem I got this song (youtu.be/LDZX4ooRsWs) in my head
 
3:46 PM
I like this plan.
!!afk burrito
 
@happy I like your username
 
!!youtube tacky weird al
 
that song used to give me brain aids
 
3:48 PM
@towc that was weird indeed
 
now I don't mind it as much
 
O sweet SIGCHLD of mine
 
welp, sent the first email out to R&D mgmt about using real CI and Docker for our builds
let's see where this goes and if we ever get a sane system
 
Best of luck!
The odds are probably against you!
 
oh man, are you having trouble moving fast & innovating? Gee, if only there was someplace where that was valued...
 
3:51 PM
Is let globally supported in all browsers?
 
depends on how you define "all browsers"
 
WebStorm is complaining. (wink @Trasiva)
 
@SomeGuy nah, 3 of the 4 managers are pro-Docker and the fourth is pissed at me because he isn't getting the packages he wants.
 
IE 10 and higher
 
@Thaenor no, it is not supported in Netscape
 
3:52 PM
nope
 
IE 10 doesn't let you use "let"? Cuz our app needs to support IE 10 and higher
 
@SomeKittens not at all, actually. We've been cutting a lot of cruft and now there's a giant chunk of magic that's pretty much isolated and needs killed.
 
@ssube Good! Glad you've joined 2013.
 
we've been moving fast enough that I get to kill one more big tool
@SomeKittens ha, we're well past there.
 
@ssube Oh, that's good
Glad you don't work at a place that sucks :D
 
3:53 PM
 
If this goes through, everything from spinning an environment to deploying will be automated, up to the point HHS allows.
 
IE10 isn't listed, so you'll have to test that one yourself. but i wouldn't worry about IE10, just 9 and 11 if 9 at all.
 
We'll always need a signature from compliance before we actually push code to prod, but that's just federal law.
 
I just looked that up. I'm gonna have to reffactor all teh "let's" to var's now...
@KevinB doesn't say for IE 10
 
Use a compiler
 
3:55 PM
^
 
@JanDvorak come again? how so?
 
@Thaenor use babel
 
@Thaenor babeljs.io
 
this is a 5 year old project with loads of stuff, I can't just introduce new libs wihtout consulting someone. Is that someone I can just use on my machine and no one will have to know?
 
it's not a library
 
4:00 PM
searches for dupe for a js question... finds nothing but jquery
 
@Thaenor no
it's part of the build process
 
I hate that I have to write javascript the 2000 way... when I got to start a project on my own I used gulp, node, angular, system and all the stuff. But these guys have like ancient code that just uses jQuery (and like the 1. something version).
Actually I don't know what happened... a couple of months I was looking at the new frameworks because they wanted to reffactor their code... but there's just soo much stuff.
 
@Thaenor Refactoring legacy is a hard, and long process.
It's usually not worth sitting down and doing it
 
that's why I named my dingus Legacy
 
@MadaraUchiha And I'm not sure the company can afford that atm... that's the hard part... I kinda wish they could just stop the dev process for a month and reffactor this cleanly... but it's just not viable.
from an economical prespective
 
4:09 PM
@Thaenor Obviously.
 
@Thaenor Maintaining bad code costs more.
 
this is a much more realistic Neural Network, but it looks nowhere as cool: codepen.io/towc/pen/d33d0c10a22cce376fa9116ca164b28d
 
You need to refactor gradually, and everyone needs to do it
 
Making things modular is a good start, since it lets you refactor one module at a time.
 
@MadaraUchiha I understand, albeit that's easier said than done. I've been struggling for a week just to clean bugs that I have produced because my adaptions broke stuff in the process. Yet my adaptions are a new functionality they wanted.
 
4:11 PM
@Thaenor Maintaining legacy code means more bugs and less development (because more bugs)
That's just how it is.
The default action is to add the minimal piece of code needed to complete the task
 
which often means the new code doesn't fit well
 
But that means that over time, you're missing the bigger picture by a larger and larger margin.
The fastest way to be done with dinner is not to wash the dishes
But then, after a while, starting dinner becomes increasingly frustrating and time consuming.
Just roll your sleeves, and start doing the dishes
And have everyone pitch in too.
 
@MadaraUchiha I can't tell that to the company when we're running this late delivering the sprint... they'll lynch me!
 
@Thaenor Well, you wanna stop being late delivering the sprint?
That's how you do it. And like I said, it's not an easy, or quick process.
Unlike @ssube's mother.
(See what I did there?)
 
I was gonna say
 
4:17 PM
@MadaraUchiha are you some new web evangelist? I'm starting to think we should hire you :D
 
@ssube stole my points for the day ;-)
 
@MadaraUchiha win!
 
@Thaenor Based on what you said, I honestly don't think I want to be hired by you. No offense.
And that is also a point in favor of this argument.
There are exactly 0 developers in the market that would want to work with a steaming pile of legacy
 
You don't dream of showing up and refactoring old code, @MadaraUchiha? It's a great way to make friends with the existing devs and super low stress.
 
@MadaraUchiha come on, it's not that bad... plus were gonna reffactor stuff. :D
 
4:18 PM
And there are even less developers in the market that would want to work with a steaming pile of legacy, with no plans to deprecate or refactor it whatsoever.
 
In defense of @ssube's mom, being easy or quick isn't a good thing ;)
 
@SterlingArcher I disagree
 
@SterlingArcher DOUBLE WIN! Here comes Archer!
 
@SterlingArcher Speaking from experience?
 
so much experience
 
4:20 PM
@Thaenor There are no tricks here.
You just gotta roll your sleeves up and do it.
And break things while you're at it.
 
@MadaraUchiha spoken like a member of the Uchiha clan
 
and one day you'll have unit tests to keep you from accidentally breaking things
maybe even a CI build to run the tests
 
@MadaraUchiha Do you have any reffactoring tips? It's not like I can just shove angular 2 up this project's arse and run it through.
 
@Thaenor Work towards adding unit tests to your code
 
4:23 PM
!!s/It's not like//
 
@Trasiva @MadaraUchiha Do you have any reffactoring tips? I can just shove angular 2 up this project's arse and run it through. (source)
 
IDK Typescript? babel? simply have people rewrite old stuff?
 
both TS and Babel can be introduced one file at a time
 
Can someone help me with crossdomein request ?
 
@Thaenor If your legacy is anything like ours, the problems are small scale architecture being blown out of proportions without proper adjustments
 
4:24 PM
 
So you'll need deeper changes than just "rewrite old small stuff"
 
@ssube i get the request but i need the request after i logged in on the chat
 
@MadaraUchiha I'm not sure. I think the problem is that there's far too much features, buttons and things being messed around with plain jQuery. And then it uses a couple of 3rd party stuff which I probably shouldn't mention, cuz NDA...
and I can't get sacked... at least until Jully.
 
Then start by cleaning up how you interact with the DOM. Use something that allows you to replace one view at a time.
React, perhaps
 
@Thaenor You realize that, whether you like it or not, all of your JS code is public, right?
Even if you obfuscate it, crazy people like myself do deobfuscation as a hobby
 
4:27 PM
@ssube I just need some help, i get everything but I n can't get that one thing that is loading after login..
 
Sure but you don't have a way to get through the login.
 
@J.Doe what one thing?
 
@MadaraUchiha this conversation is getting legally too dangerous... for me, at least.
 
@ssube message that getting appended in the html
 
@Thaenor Fair enough
 
4:29 PM
@MadaraUchiha these guys are a bit bitchy about certain things and I seriously don't want to push it...
@MadaraUchiha probably time I shut up...
 
@Thaenor maybe you should find a new job, if you can't even talk about the tools you use.
 
@Thaenor Sure, just make sure to mention to them that the guy you spoke with in chat reverse-engineered all of the competitors' code for his own company.
 
@ssube I probably can... I'm just not sure and I don't want to check.
 
@Thaenor Where are you?
(as in, physically)
 
If you have to check whether you can reveal public information, that's a bit odd.
 
4:31 PM
@MadaraUchiha I'm at... wait a minute, that's a trick question!
 
@Thaenor "behind you"
 
@Thaenor I can see where you are this moment (I'm a moderator, I can see IP and geolocation data)
 
@rlemon I literaly looked!
 
I mean, normally, where do you live/work? :P
 
I can also see where you are
I have google-fu
 
4:32 PM
@MadaraUchiha Is that how you guys spot the Soviets?
 
@MadaraUchiha if you already know I don't need to tell you. XD
@ssube LOL
 
@ssube That's how I know your mom is easy and/or quick.
 
@MadaraUchiha My mom gets so much traffic, they had to grant her a /8. :(
 
@Thaenor twitter is too revealing.
 
LOL!
 
4:34 PM
Lisbon, Portugal. I even have a google maps of where you took that funny bread-car picture
privacy is fun. We are all up in arms about it but then realize we've posted this information publicly on google in the past.
 
@rlemon will you quit spying on me! it's kinda creepy to be honest! Also I'm originally form Portugal yes, not from Lisbon though. And I'm not working in the country at the moment.
 
then don't play vague and sooper sekret
 
@rlemon also, what bread-car?
 
@Thaenor is it really spying? you've posted your social media profiles on your stack overflow profile for people to click. so I clicked it
 
I deleted my twatter
 
4:36 PM
curiosity killed the cat @Thaenor
 
Every tweet was an imgur repost
 
@Thaenor you retweeted (or tweeted) a pic from reddit
 
@rlemon I'm just kidding LOL. Hopefully you guys can only see what I want you to see.
 
@SterlingArcher bro, you are an imgur repost
 
I assume you were not the original poster
it was a joke
 
4:37 PM
> Does he know he's a reposter?
 
wait, what?
 
My last tweet was a retweet from another dude
 
4:39 PM
@Thaenor ahh, okay I found you then. I won't go into detail beyond UK
correct?
(it turns into a game at this point)
wait no
maybe.. idk.. hard to tell.
google maps sucks
yea I think so.
 
You're a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude!
 
well played. Now see if you can find my email.
It shouldn't be hard, the guys from that Spanish company found it and tried to hire me from there.
 
they probably bought it from the damn soviets
 
@Thaenor can I assume you work for the company featured in your "double rainbow" picture?
 
I mean not from "there" as in Twitter, I added them on Linked in and they got it from there.
 
4:43 PM
imagine when people had to actually do work to creep others? now 3 minutes and google makes this shit easy
 
@Thaenor it matches /\d{7}@.{4}\..{3}\.pt/
 
almost too easy
 
@rlemon you're just going to town with that... it might be the first time someone visited my twitter page LOL! Aye, you got it right, it's one of the companies there.
 
@Thaenor :D it is just common sense. people might not mention where they are, but most will take pictures of landmarks in their area
very easy to backtrack at that point
and like I said, it's a game (for me) at that point
Where In The World Is Carmen Thaenor
 
that's social engineering. There's a really interesting video about that, I can send it to you later but I can't look it up now.
 
4:45 PM
sure. you can most-always ping me in here
 
@Thaenor That's not social engineering, it'd be SE if he pretended to be your boss and called you to ask.
 
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Q: I want a free 3d Game engine HTML5

OsmiousHi this is my first question so forgive my errors! I need an HTML engine that needs programming only in JS, I know PHP but JS is best I dont want to pay at all I need it to work in most platforms of browsers I also need to add tons of logic already, so there should be support for keyboard control...

 
@rlemon basically a girl called a phone company saying she was the interviewers girlfriend and needed to access his telephone. Because the operator was nice he helped her out... all this without the concent of the original user.
 
This is likely another dumb question, but how do you provide custom arguments to webpack?
 
@Thaenor yea I've heard of stuff like that happening
 
4:46 PM
> Please save me and my career!
@corvid you pass them
 
You can just parse any arguments you want to webpack?
 
@corvid no, you have to pass the ones it wants
 
but what I am wondering is, can you pass custom arguments, or should you pass them via process.env like a node program? Eg, NODE_ENV=production webpack or something
 
what are you doing with these "custom arguments?" Are they arguments to webpack or to something within webpack?
 
4:48 PM
@Thaenor That's the one with the baby crying in the background?
 
Basically, I just want to choose which webpack configuration to use
 
@SomeKittens yes
 
@corvid let argv = require('minimist')(process.argv.slice(2));
 
@Thaenor you ever been to Defcon yourself?
 
4:50 PM
@SomeKittens nop, I think that's in America, I've never been there myself.
 
@Thaenor Yeah, Vegas specifically.
I used to work in inforsec
 
@SomeKittens I'm impressed.
 
I suspect I will defconate myself in vegas this fall
 
by Vegas?
 
lol!
 
4:51 PM
defocate?
 
Raise of hands, who'se in Europe atm?
*who's
 
:raises feet:
 
@ndugger Spain?
 
no
 
@ndugger dang. I was hoping I would know someone who knew a company called Marfeel. They tried to recruit me, but I don't even know what they do.
 
4:54 PM
@SomeKittens Working all that different security stuff blows when it's government related.
 
@Trasiva The gov't can't afford to hire top security talent
So they've already lost. Then wrap all that up in eighteen layers of bureaucracy...
 
thanks for your answer dear. Can you explain your answer a little bit please ? — DevStud 55 secs ago
lol
 
I actually answered a question on main yesterday, surprised myself.
 
@SomeKittens Yea, the bureaucracy is the worst aspect of it. I used to have nightmares back when I was trying to get our certs to work from our network to the main intranet.
 
@SterlingArcher grandma done been coding
 
4:57 PM
All I've been seeing on main is crap
 
Heh, some guy: "I'd rather hear about Rx best practices from someone who works at Netflix, since they're the ones making it"
well, I've got news for you, buddy
@SterlingArcher yeah, this one surprised me: stackoverflow.com/a/36706109/1216976
 
> surprise motherfucker
 
silly error but that happens everywhere. Well-asked question
 
Good answer, did not know
 

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