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19:00
DNA from my perspective: lh6.ggpht.com/…
all white?
can't see it
19:16
hello
Shalom
have a direction question.... i started working a bit with javascript(later i plan to take a look at node.js) in the classic version but everyone is telling me to leave the old style of coding and skip to ecmascript 6
is that a smart move?
Yes.
ES6 (and later versions) are not some alternative to JS, they are the current standard. And there any many nice languages features to help make orgranized clean code.
You'll also encounter that syntax a lot, now, so you at least need to read it, so might as well write it.
there isn't really any 'skipping' old JS though. It's still valid JS.
there are old techniques that we avoid, though
but what about javascript basics and stuff? I read a bit of javascript "theory" and it was complaing how everyone is starting to use it without understanding the basics of javascript, and that you should avoid the new standard of writing
well at start at least
yes and no. You DO need to learn the basics. But the basics can be done in the current version of JS, too
19:21
@Proxy the language is the basics
the recent revisions just added asynchronous and OO features
You don't have to go back to JS from 1985 to learn the basics.
@ssube OO
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OOH!
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hmm that came out funny
i'm just a bit lost how should i write it... maybe its a dumb question though
19:23
In english maybe?
"how" to write it is about the patterns and how they fit together, which is something you learn over time
What have you done so far @Proxy ?
.oO0°
@Luggage 42
nothing much... i worked with javascript before mostly for validation and some ajax request. Now i built a simple page that can display weather forecast
19:25
@NathanJones I love how datagrip throws a java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException instead of pointing out where my syntax is bad.
oh wow, android's new file manager shows permissions directly as drwxrwxrwx format
and the music app is gone apparently :/ By default it looks like the best way to listen to music is going to the file manager and activating it
no "play music"?
oh, looks like it was replaced by the "google play" app
with a ton of other shit in that app
meaning that surely google knows what music I listen to now
"now"?
ohh, they knew.
19:35
maybe, but it was less obvious
how long has it been since you got an update?
none of this is new
I don't think they looked at when I was listening to certain music, just what music I was listening to
@rlemon heh. heh...
my old phone didn't warn be about any updates
then it just died, so that's ok
wait till they remove your sms.
that pissed me off
now I prefer hangouts
well, does hangouts work offline?
I'd rather have a service that I can pay less for but also use less
sms doesn't work 'offline'
19:37
and now they have a new sms app, moving away from hangouts
so why would I care
@rlemon without an internet connection
@Luggage yea.. get me used to hangouts then remove it
bastards
@towc to other phones yes, to 'hangouts' only clients no
gmail should be used for archives, playing music, messaging, and everything else really :P
I mean, gmail has been sidetracked so much by the users anyway
@rlemon oh, that's new to me
I use gmail for email
19:40
like it was intended..
sounds more like you want mobile emacs
hot dayum, I need to clean out my inbox
> 11.34 GB (75%) of 15 GB used
actually, I don't think I've seen an effective mobile IDE
I swear that there can be some much more effective than what we have
simply by autocompletion and giving the ability to easily access common patterns
I'm not that bad for unread
like function(){} in js, <x></x> in html
19:42
but there is years and years worth of emails in there
1.68 GB (11%) of 15 GB used
18,000 emails
I never understood the concept of unread emails
what's not to understand?
vid.me/5RZS they seem fun
@KendallFrey emails I don't care to read, and I'm too lazy to delete
basically anything that makes it past the junk filter
19:48
after the first few thousand, you just let it happen
I only open gmail on my phone, so i never actually delete the massive amount of junk that comes in
all the twitch notifications, etc
every amazon confirmation, every reminder notice, github is probably 2000 easy
don't sub / watch popular repos
or watch issues in the webkit project.
@KevinB you know you can unsubcribe, right?
there's no delete all button on the mobile app
19:51
Unsubscribe is a myth.
@towc yeah, but then i wouldn't get notified when a streamer i want to watch goes live.
so it's not junk?
It's a notification
in the form of an email
the email itself is junk after i've read it
user1596138
@SterlingArcher Dude yes is crazy lol
Whats crazy is they didn't think I had insurance on my leased truck in MI for 3 weeks
they never attempted to take it or anything, Just sent a letter stating I needed X insurance
19:57
yeah... them taking it with no notice/negotiation for a 1 day lapse in insurance sounds pretty slimey.
It seems crazy to me, it's an Indiana company right, and you're not even in that state? Why would they spend the time and money to do that for a 1 day lapse?
Especially if the lapse was corrected?
because now they can resell it?
user1596138
@Loktar It's a Michigan company lmao
user1596138
Idk. I looked around and they have a history of repoing vehicles on the last payment for whatever reason possible
user1596138
Maybe they get the majority of the capital back and then they default as much as they can cause somehow losses result in a tax benefit or otherwise?
user1596138
19:59
Maybe they insure the loans against default so it's profitable to default small amounts? Bunch of crooks, there's no clear incentive to default a loan that small in the week of the last payment.
user1596138
@KevinB No they're getting an extra $1K out of me in repo fees and I'm taking it back. I assume those fees really go to the repo team tho
user1596138
@Loktar It's in Southfield lol
yeah then i don't see what the benefit to them would be then.
unless it's some kind of writeoff.
user1596138
^ it's gotta be
the tow truck company, which is likely 'partnered' with them get money. They get money
If they are a company that lends to risky people, then the repo is part of the business plan.
and a valid reason to do it before they run out of chances.. Bingo.
user1596138
20:13
Well it's 600 miles from their only office so they probably just have a directory of companies in different areas lol
right.
user1596138
Yea.. It sucks man. Real banks only. It just wasn't an option when I turned 18 and needed a car
Yup. Understood.
I'm not calling you poor, but this is one of the ways people make money off poor people, screwing them
user1596138
I was poor as shit when I got the loan lol.
user1596138
And naive. Good prey
20:15
and... if this happened to someone who couldn't afford 1k to get it back,
i think it was "last week tonight with john oliver" that did a peice on this.
the same car resold and respossesed multiple times form the same lot.
I think John Oliver is secretly poor
each time making money off people that can't afford it
user1596138
@KevinB They'd sell it for $400 at auction and then sue me for the remaining $900
he cares about those poors just too much, he has to have some secret agenda
user1596138
20:16
@Luggage Yeah lol I saw that. I'm like... Yep, this is me.
@Jhawins didn't you say they tried to repo it before?
back in Indiana
for lack of payment
but he fought them off with a chain.
but fortunately you were in NE at the time
i assume.
user1596138
Lol yeah a year ago because I thought I paid it off but then they said you forgot this extra fee so they didn't send the title they sent the tow truck and added another grand.
user1596138
20:17
I should've just paid it off then... I wanted the positive payments so I left it on autopay for the rest.
I don't plan to have a car payment for a while. I think I'm out of that rat race for a while.
user1596138
This is like a $12,000 vehicle at this point. Or that's how much I blew all said and done after this
user1596138
And sticker price was like $5K lmfao
yea, well, money spent does not equal resale value..
never buy a car with the sticker price around $5k, it's always a scam
that's the minimum car loan most banks offer, so the seller probably bumped the price to make it more attractive to people who need loans
user1596138
20:19
I'm jus sayin twice the money got spent on my crazy interest rate and the multiple fiascos with this company. It's not like I put that money into it in parts or anything
ohh, i thought you were saying parts.
yea, that's rough.
user1596138
@ssube Not when you only want a $5K vehicle lol. I got exactly what I paid for and it was a great buy, just a bad financing company.
user1596138
And then I paid more and more and more..... But the initial purchase, solid!
the financing is part of the deal, but i get what you are saying.
@Jhawins you're still better off going up or down at least 1k, so they aren't setting the price to make that work
20:20
some cars might just coincidently be worth around 5k...
user1596138
I don't think it had anything to do with that. It bluebooked at $5,200 that year. I got it for $4,700 or something in the end.
Quitting Time!
user1596138
^ yeah it just happened to be a $5K truck lol
user1596138
Well I thought it would be like $4,700 when I walked out the door lol.... 4 years later!
if it matches KBB, obvs you're not getting ripped off too much
20:21
One born every minute. :)
Learning is costly.
The first car I bought with a loan was an Eclipse GS-T (used).
user1596138
Yeah... Now I have to drive that thing until half million miles or it falls apart just to get my money out of it haha
I'm trying to convince my gf that her first car should be an Eclipse or a Tiburon
FT-86?
user1596138
Tiburon yes Eclipse no
I don't want to have to sometimes drive a bad car
20:23
@Jhawins that sunk-cost fallacy
wait, your GF doesn't have her first car? how old is she?
user1596138
@Luggage Yeah it's a joke lol. But it's already at 260K and I just put a new motor in it (can't beat $20 motors) so I do need to use it until it has a major failure... Then it's straight to the curb
@Luggage nope, she's one of those city weirdos who just takes the bus and train and bikes around, has for the last 23 years.
I half get that. I could live in the city and not have a car.. but.. when I was of age I wanted a license ASAP.
and when you live in the city and rarely leave, having a car is not really worth it, so it makes sense
20:25
and a car, of course
me too, but I like driving and think it's fun
she was never into cars and thought they were weird until we started dating
it WAS fun. now I have an automatic.
good thing it alerts me when i fall asleep
I don't live in the city, having a car was kinda required if i wanted money
user1596138
@KevinB I know how that was lol
user1596138
Ok I need to actually work, later guys
20:27
This could be my last gasoline powered vehicle. I wouldn't mind an electric car at some point.
I might get a hybrid 3 series or Evo, maybe, but I wouldn't trust it.
user1596138
@Luggage Don't you drive a porche or something
user1596138
Lol porche
he sold off the cockster
got a merc, iirc
yea
the boxster was manual, of course. I wouldn't get a car like that in auto
unless.. maybe, i lost a leg.
20:31
that's the problem I'm facing next car. To get anything faster than what I have now, I need to get good with a stick.
are you 'not good'?
no. The car will move, mostly forward, but it won't be happy.
user1596138
You'd be "good" in a few weeks.. At most lol
probably. Some people never will, but most can get good enough
I can drive something with a nice forgiving clutch no problem, like a Mazda 3
20:33
fast cars don't always have tough to use clutches.
it can go either way.
shitbox with a heavy touchy clutch or a monster with a light easy-to-use one.
as long as you have reasonable coordination, time will improve things
right, but the last couple cars I've had probably have heavy clutches. I know Evos do and imagine a manual bimmer is going to be pretty "oh, you know how to drive, here you go" about it.
never driven a modern manual bmw, though
I would imagine a bimmer has a fairly easy one. maybe not an M
I have.
135i. It was a fairly normal every-day clutch
that's promising for my current car, but if I'm going to upgrade...
and an M, but that was older.. not a good comparison
one of the two manual 3 series I've seen/ridden in was an E30 and the entire transmission was loose, so you had to push the console down to get reverse
20:42
neat.. but that is no indicator how a BMW from after the dark eges will behave.
I sure hope they don't sell ones that broken
but yeah, I have no frame of reference, which makes me nervous to go in and ask about one
sup guys
@Luggage i usually get an oracle error, but, again, without any line numbers of where the error is.
this was a missing quote. When it goes to postgres, I do get a line number.
but it was failing before that.
20:53
these are sexy shoes
Goodwill doesn't usually do such detailed photos of their merchandise.
he shoots, and he misses.
a nice dress shoe you can wear with jeans is hard to come by
First you say they're sexy, than you say they're hard to come by. Make up your mind.
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@KendallFrey by, not on
ohhyou
20:58
@ssube It doesn't have to be a pearl necklace every time.
eh. necklace, sandwich, bowtie, scarf, stockings, cupholder... they're all the same
@KendallFrey lol
hi
please help
No?
cordova
camera preview plugin
21:04
words
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Yes also words
use more than one at a time
they work better like that
I
Like
Pizza
timmy
Butts
21:05
fell
in
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I would like to access to the video in an ios app with cordova
well
I am testing every plugin but nothing works
access? of what sort?
21:05
I created this post on SO few minutes ago
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Q: Cordova canvas camera preview ios

neoDevIs there any camera canvas plugin working for Cordova 6.3.1, Xcode 8.1 beta, macOS Sierra 10.12? I have tried a lot of them like this, this, but the installation or the build fail, and the only one working does not provide a method to retrieve the video, and does not create any element that I ca...

need
to stream it to the server
more
memes
That isn't a good question
pls
help
@SterlingArcher
21:07
@Loktar why
it's a plugin recommendation, which is off topic as a question
you don't need plugins to use the webcam, do you?
Just ask cordova support. Problem solved.
@taco lol, like a one-off project that's been resold to a dozen companies will have a competent support team
cordova has changed owners/vendors so many times in the last few years
21:10
and generally isn't really useful anyway. If you found a plugin that does what you want but can't get it to work, asking for help with that while including required debugging info would be a more interesting (and possibly on topic) question.
@ssube support reps love the easy ones like this
@taco it's a project most companies don't want to own, much less support
plus it's changed hands so many times I doubt anybody knows how it works
I'm using Babel. At the Win10 command line, I used
node babel infile outfile
I get a message: "TypeError: infile: comment.value.indexOf is not afunction"
What does that mean?
excuse me guys
that means comment.value.indexOf isn't a function.
21:22
Is wrong to try doing what I am doing with cordova?
the camera preview in the canvas
I received so many downvotes
I wonder what I am doing wrong
cordova plugin add com.keith.cordova.plugin.canvascamera && cordova prepare
@KevinB: How can I avoid its stopping the compile?
well, you posted an off topic question into a chat room full of people willing to vote.
no idea if that works^
was the first I tried
but fails
21:24
:'(
@BaldEagle figure out why comment.value doesn't have an indexOf method.
ok now I understand
@KevinB: Is that a message from inside Babel?
about the off-topic
I deleted it
@BaldEagle no... it's babel complaining about your code.
21:25
@ssube
how can I access without plugin?
@neoDev I would start here.
I need to stream the video to the server
I don't want to make pictures
or do I need to make a lot of pictures and stream them quickly?
to simulate the video
but I don't think is a good idea
oh, that I do not know about, sorry
at the beginning I was thinking to implement also a websocket to be in real time
21:29
you capture a media stream, convert it to a blob or file and upload that
but now I don't know what I can do
I was trying to do it from this morning
...
@KevinB Babel is complaining about code < 20 lines, with no declared "comment" or anything like it.
it's hard to be a developer
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@BaldEagle that sucks.
Thanks anyway!
21:46
Can anyone help:
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Can anyone help

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39883344/new-radio-button-not-clicked-but-old-can-be-clicked-ajax-php?noredirect=1#comment67054634_39883344
@MazharIqbalRana Not sure about anyone, but someone sure does.
what version of IE started supporting classes and ids elmeents
21:55
one of the very old ones
which one
i am trying to compare it to gmail email support
which basically only supportst classes and id elements
Question - In angular.js how do I access the form element with duplicate names? it is basically coming from ng-repeat.
Morning
I tried using:
`inputStatusForm.nextWeekTask[$index].$invalid`
it doesnt work though
@William comparing early browsers to email isn't going to be fruitful
emails have different problems with inherent security concerns.
21:57
@rlemon How's the weather on your side of the world?
decent
@rlemon what else do you compare it to then I'm tyring to to give a reference how bad they are to my bro
nothing. email programming isn't actually that bad
you just have to know a lot about css, which most people don't enjoy
it's not bad, it's just purposely limited.
you can do interactive emails
21:58
gmail support sucks
modern css is great
@rlemon You mean EDMs? Ugh, you've gotta know about a lot more than just CSS
Tables!
@monners well yea, but the core of the interactions is knowing the limitations to css conditional logic
and how to push them

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