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8:00 PM
To show that the Ackermann's function is not primitive recursive, do we not have to show that it grows faster than all primitive recursive functions? I got stuck right now... @KendallFrey
 
@MaryStar sure, but how do you do that?
 
!!wiki ackermann function
 
In computability theory, the Ackermann function, named after Wilhelm Ackermann, is one of the simplest and earliest-discovered examples of a total computable function that is not primitive recursive. All primitive recursive functions are total and computable, but the Ackermann function illustrates that not all total computable functions are primitive recursive. After Ackermann's publication of his function (which had three nonnegative integer arguments), many authors modified it to suit various purposes, so that today "the Ackermann function" may refer to any of numerous variants of the original...
 
In a try-catch-finally block, can we check if the catch part ran in the finally part? If so, how?
 
var fuckedup;
try {

} catch() {
 fuckedup = true;
} finally {
 if( fuckedup ) alert('fucked up');
}
 
8:07 PM
IN the finally part? Aren't they separate blocks?
 
:shrugs:
shows you how often I use try/catch
 
There are very few instances where you should use a try/catch
 
I saw a question on this yesterday, I think the scoping causes issues in a try/catch block
 
There are many instances were you should use try-catch
JavaScript's try-catch is just to shitty
 
var a;
try {
  a();
} catch(e) {
  a = 1;
} finally {
  alert(a);
}
// alerts 1
@SomeKittens ^
I know you removed, but still.
TAKE THAT!
 
8:10 PM
@rlemon Yep, thought you declared the var in the catch statement
 
silly kittens
 
Thanks, I figure you had to do it that way. I was wondering if there was some type of scope I could take advantage of. @SomeKittens @rlemon
 
@SomeKittens which still works.
function scope.
err, nvm
you said catch, not try
heh, works in catch as well.
<3 function scope when it isn't biting me in the ass
 
>=|
people are being loud and im trying to get in the zone here
 
headphones
blinders
 
8:13 PM
Second headphone, engage!
@Shmiddty oculus development
 
ooo
blinders engage!
 
> Oh my god, the PHP is coming right at me! :dies:
 
The valve/steam 3d stuff sounds promising
 
I'd love to work for Valve
#dreamjob
 
s/d/c/
 
8:18 PM
In different books there are two versions of proving it. At the one version they prove that f(x1, ... , xn) <= A(u, max(x1, ... , xn)) and at an other version they prove that f(x1, ..., xn) <= A(u, x1+ ... +xn), where f(x1, ... , xn) is any primitive recursive function. Isn't this correct? But which of them is the original proof? @KendallFrey
 
@SecondRikudo your PR broke user colors FYI
not sure exactly what the cause is in your code, but it dun work now.
 
@MaryStar Why are you asking me, I don't know jack shit
 
Huh, so it looks like variables declared in the catch statement still have functional scope.
the exception is what is caught
 
well, yes
but anyway you're using let so it's block scope
 
@FlorianMargaine Where am I using let?
 
8:28 PM
you should use it everywhere!
 
How browser compatible is let
!!caniuse let
 
so many recruiter calls
 
deactivate your linked in account ;)
 
and Dice, and Indeed
 
user1596138
8:29 PM
@NickDugger dammit I ticked the box for "searchable" on Hired a few hours ago and I'm already so pissed off at recruiters.
 
Welcome to my life
 
user1596138
No it was on Dice.
 
but I've gotten some good leads
 
When are you guys coming to work in Denver?
 
Man... now pls
 
8:31 PM
I can give you a referral to my company
 
user1596138
It's bullshit. I've already been asked to be a sysadmin, a PHP developer (with mandatory 8 years of experience, which clearly I do not have), a Java Dev who has worked in sales (wut), and 2 other extremely vague positions.
 
Do jobs in colorado still test for weed in job screens?
 
@Shmiddty That's dangerous... don't tempt me
 
Just curious since it's legal there
 
@SterlingArcher That would depend on the job. Larger corporations... probably.
 
user1596138
8:31 PM
@SterlingArcher does anyone test for weed other than minimum wage jobs? and gov.
 
@SterlingArcher For real?
 
user1596138
And jobs where you carry a lot of liability (construction, public service)
 
@NickDugger I mean, I don't get the impression that you would cause problems for me, so if you're interested, let me know
 
aids factories
 
@copy well yeah, I never really though about how it becoming legal in colorado changed the game
 
8:33 PM
@Shmiddty if this offer was on the table a month ago, I would have gone for it.
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher well it doesn't change anything. It's not like people test because it's illegal
 
user1596138
Nor are they forced to usually.
 
Well, some places do
 
user1596138
If someone doesn't wanna hire potheads they still won't.
 
my current work place has very strict substance policies; the claim is because of insurance, but honestly, it's just a terrible company.
 
8:34 PM
We have three kegs in our office
:D
 
@SecondRikudo crisis averted, I still blame you
 
@FlorianMargaine It's in TypeScript, so fine
 
user1596138
If I have the choice I'll work somewhere that doesn't feel the need to test my piss whether or not I could've passed that test. It's just fucking dumb
 
damn me and my love life
 
@Jhawins Welcome to recruiters!
 
8:35 PM
@SomeKittens var is deprecated, nobody told you?
 
@FlorianMargaine I just installed gulp, so you can't expect me to be up-to-date on things
 
@NickDugger You just follow your hand wherever it goes, huh?
 
user1596138
Like. I don't give you shit for getting blackout drunk last night and shitting yourself. Don't give me shit for potentially sitting on my couch watching netflix till I fell asleep.
 
My brothers old office had tequila tuesdays
 
I work with old people
 
8:36 PM
@Shmiddty There's this girl here...
 
there is prune juice in the fridge
 
that why I don't want to move yet...
I'm a sucker
 
@NickDugger pics or it didn't happen
 
@Shmiddty he hasn't had a chance to retrieve the camera yet
give it time
 
user1596138
@NickDugger I did that... For the last 2 years. Now she's gone and I should've moved 2 years ago.
 
8:37 PM
From the sound of it nothing has happened already
 
I never said we were together. I haven't had the chance to ask her out, yet lol
 
d'awww
how old are you?
 
:3 years later: still haven't had the chance to ask her out yet
 
12
 
8:37 PM
like literally, I was busy with the work project and the stress, then I've been gone for a week
 
I'm old enough to know better
but I'm dumb
 
haha
 
but seriously, how old are you?
 
8:38 PM
I'm convinced Nick is asexual
 
too old to get caught up in my own shit
I mate with myself?
 
He a strong independent thing that dont need no reproduction
 
@Shmiddty any ideas how I will selectively enable/disable parts of a stylesheet?
 
Wait
... no
i hope
 
@rlemon class names?
 
8:38 PM
Don't asexual animals reproduce with themselves?
so I get pregnent by masturbation?
wat
 
or you could mount/unmount separate style elements
@NickDugger Better go take a morning after pill. Can't be too safe
 
I'm 22, by the by
 
thanks for finally answering :P
Don't sweat this stuff too much
 
what stuff?
 
girls
 
8:40 PM
I've had 2 girlfriends, and I still don't know how to talk to girls
 
Do you have a friendly relationship at this point? Can you hold a conversation with her? What do you know about her?
 
crap I get back from interviewing and have walked onto Dr. Phil
 
@Shmiddty Yes, Yes, and some stuff
 
:p
 
Your next step is to find something that you think she would be interested in doing
 
8:41 PM
@Shmiddty yea I don't see how that would work
 
Shiiiit
 
@NickDugger I'm married and not quite sure how it happened
 
@rlemon You could toggle classnames on the body element, then preface everything with class names. It would be a hassle, but it would work
 
developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/StyleSheet styleSheet api is all fucking read only
:(
 
Maybe I'll do what I did my freshman year of highschool, and ask her out over facebook. (yes, I regret that soooooooo much... I learned from my mistakes)
 
8:42 PM
@Shmiddty ugh
that is... terrible.
 
Or you could keep separate definitions and mount/unmount style tags
 
I've had... life struggles
 
user3949359
@StevensHaen Hello
 
@Shmiddty yea but then there is the 'lag' of loading the extension THEN applying the sheets
which is what I used to do pre-extension
 
@rlemon what are you trying to accomplish?
 
8:43 PM
your body tag solution is probably the best.. but I dislike it :P
@Shmiddty elements of the extension should be toggle-able
 
@rlemon If you use Less/Sass, you could just namespace entire blocks of CSS
It would make the definitions easier to manage
 
^ was going to suggest that as well
preprocessor namespacing is so nice.
 
yea but how does that solve my current issue?
 
it really is
I don't know what your current issue is
 
have an above the fold inline style sheet?
 
8:45 PM
toggling css rules! :P
 
then load the rest
 
@NickDugger walk 'em off. :P
 
.messages {
	background-color: #222 !important;
	color: #ddd !important;
	border-radius: 0 !important;
}
I want to toggle between border radius values
but these are overrides
 
ew. !important
 
I have 0 control over adding new classnames
@Shmiddty the only valid case for them is my case ;)
overriding with userstyles
 
8:46 PM
.messages.messages { All your styles belong to use !important} ?
 
@Loktar does that actually work?
 
.messages.messages.messages { not anymore foo !important} ?
@Shmiddty yea
 
bahaha
 
@Shmiddty I don't let shit get in the way of anything... except for my love life... lol. Literally, I moved across the country just because I could, but meeting girls? How? Such a foreign concept.
 
what is even worse is when SO uses !important
then I have to have specificity overrides
 
8:47 PM
@rlemon I know your pain ;D
!important in style attributes is my favorite
 
When I was in my CSS framework days, I constantly had to use !important to override shitty default styles that the framework put on... I'm talking to you, bootstrap.
 
jsfiddle.net/loktar/je503w7b over specifititititity.
 
@Loktar nice trick ;)
 
@NickDugger utilize ze internet
 
@NickDugger 1) Girls are people too. 2) Talk to them like you would anyone else. 3) If you find that you have chemistry, start flirting
 
8:48 PM
Or just get a hooker
 
and blackjack
 
haha
 
RRRRRRRRRAAMMPAAAAAGGGGEEEEE
 
too complicated; I'll live in a cave and die of lonliness
 
@rlemon just a feeling: browser addon bubble is over
 
8:49 PM
@CSᵠ it's only just begun
 
@NickDugger I had a friend who lived in a cave for a while
 
!!s/it's/we've/
 
@SterlingArcher @CSᵠ we've only just begun (source)
 
@Shmiddty did Seal Team 6 find him>
 
if I couldn't pimp my browser I'd be a sad sad lemon.
* {
	tab-size: 4 !important;
}
 
8:50 PM
@Loktar Nah, I think he just got tired of living in a cave
 
lol
 
I have this as a global stylesheet in chrome
 
neah it's over
 
wakes up one day "Ugh why the heck am I in a cave?!"
 
time will tell
 
8:50 PM
@CSᵠ neat.
I probably don't care?
 
you sure do!@
 
@CSᵠ dude stop killing dreams, next you will tell me screen savers are over!
 
@Loktar It was actually a pretty cozy cave. He took me up one time. Little waterfall for a shower, nice cozy nook to sleep in. And he would host ragers there. Bit of a hike, but pretty awesome
 
look my sales are just in a slump, its not over!
 
hola
 
8:52 PM
@Shmiddty oh damn,I thought you were just messing around
thats actually kind of col
 
@Loktar those haven't even begun...
get your head straight
 
lol
 
wait?! I can make money off programming?!?!?!?!?! holy shit!
 
@Loktar Apparently one of the local colleges would have ice climbing lessons there as well. They set up a system to generate ice walls.
 
8:53 PM
screen "savers" are a huge conspiracy
 
WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME!
 
It was a pretty nice spot
 
@rlemon the trick is to get market value...
 
@CSᵠ plasma bro
it sucks
 
:)
 
8:54 PM
actually contrary to popular belief LCD's get burn in as well
 
oled or die
 
I met the captain of Seal Team Six, Dick Marcinko, when I was in the army. Dude is huge. He signed one of his books for me.
 
plasma burn is clearly visible
 
oled is even worse @NickDugger
for burn in that is
 
But it was out in one of those Dakotas, so there's that.
 
8:54 PM
oled screens are beautiful
 
My zune HD's OLED screen is beastmode
 
lcd in turn is the reverse, darkens
 
I have a picture of the Navy Seal captain mockinly choking me somewhere. Wish I knew where it was so I could milk it for some sweet Reddit karma
 
@Shmiddty ah seems like it would get a bit nippy in the winter lol
 
comparing the plasma we have at home with my ultrasharp, led all the way
 
8:55 PM
i want a flexible 4k amoled under 1kg
 
the color is so much better on not-plasma
 
actually two
 
I want the images to be transmitted directly into my retina
 
@CSᵠ roll out tablets, hell yes.
 
fuck screens
 
8:55 PM
@Loktar haha definitely. I imagine he only stayed there in the summer
 
also what @rlemon said, but i'd prefer contacts
 
with that many pixels, you'll never be able to tell if it's a shop :(
 
!!s/retina/retina display IPS/
 
@CSᵠ I want the images to be transmitted directly into my retina display IPS (source)
 
@Loktar I wouldn't wanna deal with those (having wore them before)
contacts that is*
 
8:56 PM
@rlemon VR porn would be amazing if it could be sent to your retinas
 
hah I wear contacts every day
 
I'm considering lasik
 
fuck salt
 
@Loktar meh... wasn't that fake?
 
@Loktar I stopped and got glasses.
 
8:56 PM
but yea I worry about anything messing with your actual eye
 
hated contacts
 
contacts were too much of a pain for me
 
getting tired of glasses
 
@CSᵠ oh idk, I just think it would be awesome
 
@taco you think that until you're actually banging a pillow in your neighbors house
 
8:56 PM
@Shmiddty I think lasik would be nice as well.. I just worry about mistakes
 
luckily for me my eyes correct themselves ?? I no longer need glasses
 
@Loktar same
 
during HS I wore tehm
 
granted they are so rare, but man.. your eyes are so damn important
 
I got LASIK and 15 years later, I wear (much thinner) glasses for night driving mainly
 
8:57 PM
critical
vital
 
VR glasses make me dizzy and sick, anyone got that?
although damn cool
 
like !important !important level important basically.
 
yeah current VR makes me sick
 
@CSᵠ yeah you have to get your VR legs
also what device did you try?
 
wait, how old are you @taco? I assumed you were younger
 
8:57 PM
I have an Oculus VR v1 dev kit
 
35? (guess)
 
@Loktar okulus
 
Hello, can I message someone about my javascript code? I'm trying to pull another data table from MYSQL using someone else's built code and I keep getting just the ID#
 
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I like wearing glasses. I don't like needing them, however. No this does not make me a hipster
 
8:58 PM
yeah the DK1 is worse than the DK2 for sure
 
@Shmiddty I'm 38 as of a couple weeks ago
 
DK2 still can give motion sickness, but its a lot less
the bump to 75hz helped a lot
 
If I had stayed in the Army, I'd be retired next year :|
 
@taco happy birthday, you old bastard
 
thx
 
user3949359
8:58 PM
Is the Oculus worth it? How's resolution?
 
!!afk taco is old. he's probably moldy by now.
 
@nosille no
 
that makes me sad though :/. never been called old until now
 
the vive will be out this holiday season
 
My father stayed in the army until 50~
 
8:59 PM
it was worth it last year for sure, but not now imo
 
38 is old? f'me
 
Ah shit, I feel old and I'm only turning 30 this year
 
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22 is the new 38
 
I'm 29, anyone over 30 is old until I am 30
:D
 
8:59 PM
@NickDugger yeah my dad stayed in until they kicked him out due to his rank cap
 
also the res is 960x1080 per eye @nosille
 
Little known "fact": my mom is only 21
 
but its still too low, needs to be higher. Text is still hard to read
 

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