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8:00 AM
Why? Because all muslims are responsible for 9/11?
 
@SecondRikudo So did world trade... (too soon?)
 
Wow, lol
 
No, because people suddenly connect the attacks with muslims inherently, and begin to hate reasonlessly.
 
@SecondRikudo While that's true, you also realize I hope that that was an inevitable conclusion to 9/11
 
@Neil That's right.
 
8:01 AM
@towc thats why me and @t1wc is going to pluto. You're welcome too
 
So now I can tell you the same from people in Israel, and arabs.
I wouldn't say I'm a racist, but especially here in Israel, I would not trust a man wearing a Keffiyeh.
 
@sabithpocker I'd rather kick every cheese-racist from the earth
 
Not instantly anyway.
 
When will V8 at least have arrow functions. This delay is ridiculous...
 
I guess such things happen in micro and macro levels.. like the gangs in college
 
8:01 AM
@SecondRikudo You realize that works both ways, right?
 
!!define ganga
 
@monners ganga to walk
 
@Neil Of course.
 
gangs
 
@sabithpocker I know, but still. lol
 
8:02 AM
I suppose those that understand that can know not to base their actions on that hatred since it is baseless
But most people aren't that smart
 
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@Neil I have friends who are arabs, I've spoken to folks here in chat from Syria and Iran, who are well-known enemies of Israel, and they're perfectly fine and friendly people.
 
last day i was wondering why prefer love over hatred when both are just feelings
 
On the other hand, I've also seen what a suicide bombing looks like. One live, and countless more in the media.
It isn't pretty.
 
8:04 AM
why hate hatred, and love loving :)
@SecondRikudo you have seen live bombing? where you from?
 
@sabithpocker Israel.
 
ok, here in the part where i live we have been told that Israeli people took away all land from palestines and then built a wall and put them inside that wall. :)
 
that's pretty much it
 
@sabithpocker I don't believe what's being said in the media.
I believe to what I see.
And serving in the army, and seeing things live, and being in wars, I saw enough.
 
@SecondRikudo I think that the image people create in their heads of the people they hate never reflect those people truly
 
8:07 AM
i would love to know your perspective
 
I don't know and honestly don't give a fuck about the reason. But if those people hate me this much, they definitely deserve my hatred back.
@sabithpocker Well, let's take the post '67 areas out of the question for a moment.
 
and if you reason through it, nobody could possibly be that mean and spiteful.. if you see how those same people treat their family and the ones they love, you'd see that it is all perspective
 
@sabithpocker Please excuse the insensitivity, but the way I see it is one group of people claiming a divine right over land that another group of people occupy which, in my books, is just about the stupidest thing to have a war over that I've ever heard of. :D
 
100% of the territory on the state of Israel is either legally purchased, or empty territories occupied.
 
@SecondRikudo Purchased from who, the people living on it?
 
8:09 AM
anyone use gulp?
 
sweet as
 
They weren't originally living areas, but mostly empty areas for cattle/fields.
During the '48 war, most arabs fled from their villages in fear of the Jewish army.
I don't know how justified that fear was, it may as well have been, but they fled.
 
@SecondRikudo Right... so those massive bulldozers are clearing away buildings that weren't occupied...
 
After the war, they were still afraid to return.
 
8:10 AM
@monners you cant always believe media and photographs
 
@SecondRikudo You ought to be open to the possibility that that was propaganda
 
They didn't return for years and years, so, Jewish people took that place.
 
@sabithpocker Right back at ya.
 
From an external perspective, it didn't quite go that way
 
@SecondRikudo You know it's widely seen very differently outside of Israel ?
 
8:11 AM
@Neil That goes two ways.
@dystroy Of course.
 
@SecondRikudo I have to think that Israel has more reason to manipulate the facts more than the outside world
 
@SecondRikudo Maybe the fact that the documentaries about that mass expulsion are forbidden in Israel explains it
 
Point is, I don't think there was "Teh Occupation" as presented to all of you
 
Though, we can never be 100% sure of what we read in the newspapers
 
And even if it did, many of the other nations did the same, and worse. So I think it's a bit hypocritical to criticize us.
 
8:12 AM
@SecondRikudo It's noth "Teh", just another military occupation
 
The US sits on the graves of countless natives that lived there and were massacred for their lands.
 
@SecondRikudo may be the sympathy towards palestine who cant fight well with Israel?
 
I defer to the writings of Christopher Hitchens. He had a knack for cutting through bullshit.
 
Syria is still in civil war, the death toll has crossed the 6 digits mark
 
@SecondRikudo That doesn't make it right that they did it anymore than any other country
 
8:13 AM
@SecondRikudo And how does that give other people the right to massacre ? The fact a big part of my family was killed by the nazis (yes, it was) doesn't allow me to go and kill other people to steal their land
 
you see, if people believed in Cheese none of these wars would have happened and everybody would have bent happy and cheerfull!
 
@Neil what does right have to do with anything
 
@towc ^
 
it's survival of the fittest, always has been
 
@towc thats what we will do in our pluto
 
8:14 AM
@dystroy There were wars, and people died. But I don't think that there were massacers in Israel. Had we wanted, we'd exterminate everyone and live here alone, and we wouldn't have to put up with Gaza that no one else wants to take, or the Western bank.
 
@sabithpocker We should make a minigame
 
even if israel was conquered by military might, that's how it is and until someone can come and take it back it belongs to israel
 
@Mosho His example was the massacre of the native americans, to which I say that that isn't right anymore than the mass slaughter of others in other countries.. How is that not relative?
 
@towc what minigame?
 
I miss the old days when people would fight over resources and just pretend it was about religion.
 
8:14 AM
"escape from the cheese racist"
 
@Neil I read that out of context
 
you have to get from the earth and arrive to pluto
 
Ah ok
 
but still, it is never about who is right
 
get cheese blocks as points
 
8:15 AM
it's about who has more tanks and shit :D
 
There were a few occasions of actual massacres in Israel, and those were dealt very very harshly.
 
and find many adversities
platform game
 
@towc and the racists wont allow for that..
 
@Mosho I do love a pragmatist :P
 
@sabithpocker exactly
 
8:15 AM
> In war, it matters not who is right, but rather who is left.
 
I don't mind the israeli people, it's their border military that are fucking cunts
 
The Kafr Qasim massacre took place in the Israeli Arab village of Kafr Qasim situated on the Green Line, at that time, the de facto border between Israel and the West Bank on October 29, 1956. It was carried out by the Israel Border Police (Magav) and resulted in 48 Arab civilians dead, including 6 women and 23 children aged 8–17. Arab sources usually give the death toll as 49, as they include the unborn child of one of the women. The border policemen who were involved in the shooting were brought to trial and found guilty and sentenced to prison terms, but all received pardons and we...
 
@Neil was trying to think of that one
 
That happened ^
 
thanks
 
8:16 AM
What they don't tell you is how people reacted here on the inside.
 
Yep, it's a good quote
 
@towc the goal will be to love them and send them back :) love bombs
 
well, I have to go now... @sabithpocker can I know your e-mail/facebook/whatever so we can keep talking about this? might turn out to be cool
 
Any form of extremism is a dick move tbh, be it zionist/nazi....
 
Those soldiers were trialed, demoted, the media talked about it for weeks, the supreme court intervened.
 
Ved
8:17 AM
`Back
 
@SecondRikudo The border policemen who were involved in the shooting were brought to trial and found guilty and sentenced to prison terms, but all received pardons... Harsh.
 
its "sabith pocker" everywhere sabithpockeratgmaildotcom
 
!!afk going in kitchen to play The Almighty Cheese
 
@monners You should understand the circumstances of the time.
 
@sabithpocker ok, thx
!!afk for realzies
 
8:17 AM
They've done research on racist groups like the klu klux klan. They found out that the hatred never dies. The reason these groups eventually "diminish" is essentially that they die off and their children, having perhaps less hatred than their parents, choose whether or not to continue
 
@SecondRikudo It's really not that complicated. One group wants what another group has, and they're willing to kill for it. Bam! Not that complicated
 
@Neil cook Lux' clan
 
Which should tell you that you can't hope people will learn to forgive.. you can only hope taht their children will
 
@SecondRikudo do you know about the people who calims to be real "jews" who got expelled from Israel?
 
s/klu/ku/
 
8:18 AM
as opposed to zionists
 
@monners Actually, it looks to me that it depends on what group you put in which place in that sentence.
@sabithpocker No, I don't.
 
@SecondRikudo Ummm, no it doesn't. Both are generic groups
 
@monners In which case, each group wants what the other have, and willing to kill for it.
 
Try to justify it however you want, nothing gives a person the right to kill another.
 
Actually, I believe the reason goes deeper than that, much deeper.
 
8:20 AM
Yeah well, bullshit has many layers
 
Israel has no real interest of making peace, contrary to popular belief, and neither does them.
War is very profitable, to both sides.
 
@monners We have a moral absolutist here today, eh? :)
 
@Neil :blushes:
 
define moral absolutist
 
@monners I thought you were a pragmatist
 
8:21 AM
@monners That can be debatable as well, but we'll get back to that in a few
 
@sabithpocker Someone who thinks there is a single "code of honor" that must be followed by everyone regardless of culture or situation, like there were a standard set by some higher power
 
You can levi a lot of taxes "because the situation is tense", there are people whose entire job is to "advance the peace process" for years and years they make a shitton of money and get absolutely nowhere.
 
@SecondRikudo Don't bother. I really don't care. Just don't kill people, ya dig? Love thy neighbour and all that junk? No? Ok.
 
@monners Person comes at you with a knife and you have a rifle. Will you shoot to kill?
You have about 5 seconds before he reaches you.
 
@Neil it was easy.. much easy if that was it
 
8:23 AM
You can clearly see the killer intent in his eyes, he will kill you, and all of your friends behind you.
The folks behind you won't shoot him, because they won't risk hitting you. It's all up to you.
 
@SecondRikudo You know damn well what I meant
 
Will you take the shot?
@monners No, I really don't.
 
@sabithpocker I'm that way too, actually.. i think saying that something is ok in one circumstance and not ok in another is a bit like saying red == blue
 
There are several cases where killing someone is exactly the case.
Another question, less extreme, shall we?
 
@SecondRikudo Ok, I guess I have to forgo the oversimplification. Don't instigate unnecessary violence and claim a moral high ground as a justification for your actions.
 
8:24 AM
Some guy killed your entire family. You were left alive because you were at a friends
 
guys, can we go back to sexual innuendos
 
He was locked up, and justice was done.
 
Oh, good
 
@SecondRikudo Kant would say that if you shot to save your life, it is morally wrong in any case, even if you did the moral thing of saving your own life
 
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8:25 AM
@Neil can you give a real life example for your red===blue
 
But, just 2 years later, some US fart comes along, and makes your country to release all prisoners
 
If your life was worth more than his, that doesn't change the fact that something wrong was done
 
Including that guy who killed your family, and would do it happily again with another poor family
Still think you would spare his life?
 
@sabithpocker Killing is bad. It is wartime, so killing is okay. Argument bad. X
 
so guys, I have a gulpfile.
 
8:25 AM
You might. I'd stick a bullet in each kneecap and then between his eyes every day of the week.
It's an impossible situation. Both sides will commit crimes.
There's no black and white, and you can't say "It's never okay to kill someone"
 
@SecondRikudo Well let's all be thankful that you're (I hope) not running any countries :)
 
The fact that it is socially acceptable doesn't make a decision morally acceptable or not
 
@monners I am the Second Rikudo, I control this entire world, you guys just don't realize it yet :P
 
which compiles jade to a template:
 
If you don't think that is the case, you are a moral relativist
 
8:27 AM
@SecondRikudo Ignorance is bliss
 
@Neil Morals change, and social acceptance change.
 
@Neil I guess thats covered in Bhgavad Gita, but i didnt complete reading that
 
gulp.task('templates', function() {
  gulp.src(['!./app/index.jade', '!./app.index.html',
      './app/**/*.html', './app/**/*.jade'])
      .pipe(gulpif(/[.]jade$/, jade().on('error', gutil.log)))
      .pipe(tplCache('templates.js',{standalone:true}))
      .pipe(gulp.dest('./build'))
});
 
In India, it's perfectly acceptable to cram 20 people in a 2x2 office.
 
what does: /[.]jade$
mean?
 
8:28 AM
@FutuToad Surround with `` for code marking
 
it's a regex meaning everything ending with jade, as far as I can see
 
But as the chariot moves, Arjuna sees in the two armies the equal presence of his family, for Duryodhana, despite being his enemy, is also his cousin, and thus both sides are littered with "fathers, grandfathers, teachers, brothers, uncles, grandsons, in-laws and friends." Arjuna is overcome with despair and tells Krishna that he has no desire to fight if it means killing his kin. He has no need for a kingdom if it means destroying a family. He casts away his bow and arrows and sits in the chariot in the middle of the battlefield.
 
@SecondRikudo It's a little sad to accept that to think killing is okay, the only thing you need to do is move to a war-torn country and start shooting
 
@Neil I never said that killing is OK.
 
you just have to believe in either life after death or emptiness after death
 
8:28 AM
@SecondRikudo Well this should be true for any moral issue
 
@Neil Really? :books ticket:
 
and go on killing
 
But saying that it's "always not OK" or "never the right way" is just wishful thinking.
 
@SecondRikudo Then what's the end game? What happens once all the killing's done?
 
@Magikaas ah, wonder why they deviated from the grunt selector syntax
 
8:29 AM
@SecondRikudo But that's the way it is. Lines are blurred in your head, but that doesn't mean there isn't a "right" and "wrong"
 
@monners Who say's it's going to be done?
I wish it'd be done.
 
It just means you don't have a clear idea about what the right and wrong is
I don't claim to always know either, but I have to believe it is there somewhere
 
@Neil who has?
 
@Neil funny, looking the other way under mild encouragement is one of humanity's most common traits
 
We'd either go out with a bang by a crazy psychopath, or be united against some global cat ass trophy catastrophe.
 
8:30 AM
@SecondRikudo If it's never going to be done then what's the point? We can argue over the existence of the Easter Bunny until the cows (sorry Hindus) come home. That's not gonna make a conflict any more meaningful.
 
@monners Because there are people benefiting from it! That's why it'll never be done!
 
@Mosho You should read up on Kant. He makes some very interesting observations in this regard
 
Hey guys. I have one question. Is ajax .success enough to check for successful php/mysql database update? I have no returning data and would like to get an information whether database update was successful or not.
 
All those farts that make money off of this so called "piece process", weapon manufacturing makes a lot of jobs and money, it's an industry.
 
@sabithpocker No person can claim to know what is right and wrong with 100% precision
 
8:32 AM
So what if some soldiers need to die? So what if civilians need to die too? It's profitable!
 
morning
  for (var i = 1; i <= count; ++i) {

        var month = i - 1;

        var hide = false;

        if (i + 1 <= count) {
            hide = true;
        }

        switch (month) {

            case 0:

            columns[i] = {};

            var itemJan = {};

            itemJan.text = 'Janvier';

            itemJan.cls = 'column-header-month';

            itemJan.align = 'left';

            itemJan.columns = [];

            itemJan.menuDisabled=true;


            columns[i] = itemJan;
 
@BikerJohn Depends on what your php returns, I believe php database query functions return true upon successful query execution, so you could return that
 
@Neil and can you make that statement with 100% precision
 
@SecondRikudo So? It's not like we couldn't all just say fuck it. I don't care for killing for profit anymore
 
my code it look me is not a good practice :(
 
8:33 AM
Every rule has an exception. And if there's a rule that doesn't have an exception, then it's the exception to the rule that says that every rule has an exception.
 
@fahdijbeli true
 
@Magikaas indeed, it returns true.
 
@sabithpocker Yes. I'm not talking about fact, I'm talking about morality
I can claim a fact is 100% precise
 
@monners But that's not how they sell it to you
 
@FlorianMargaine so please how I change it to be a good practice ?
 
8:34 AM
Reality is that without an army willing to fight, we would die.
The country isn't making an actual effort for peace, neither does theirs, and so you might fight to survive.
 
@SecondRikudo So work to change the reality.
 
@Magikaas Hi
 
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@BikerJohn If you can output the mysql query php function's output as json, you can use that to determine the success of the query, I reckon
@StephenWolfe Ey :)
 
@monners I am not going to waste my life for a futile effort.
 
8:35 AM
Im tired Im going to pluto
 
I'd much rather adapt myself to the situation, and make the best of it.
I'm an adapter, I'm not a changer.
 
@Magikaas I finished what I needed to do in java :D want to see
 
Pluto isn't a planet.
 
@Magikaas yes, you can, thanks : )
 
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8:35 AM
@Paul Pluto is the roman god of death.
 
@SecondRikudo It's not like it takes much, if you see injustice shrouded in bullshit then just say no. Call it what it is.
 
@StephenWolfe Not sure if I remember exactly what it was you were doing, but sure, sounds interesting :P
@BikerJohn Cool ;)
 
Pluto may not be a planet but a home for me
 
var columns = [{
    text: 'Janvier',
    cls: 'column-header-month',
    align: 'left',
    columns: [],
    menuDisabled: true
}, {
    text: 'Fevrier',
    cls: 'column-header-month',
    align: 'left',
    columns: [],
    menuDisabled: true
}];
is a first solution
 
8:36 AM
Aaaaand I'm done. Time for din dins
 
@Magikaas I was learning some JS so I could build a page that interacts with a php pricing script
 
but since it looks like they all have the same except the text
 
@monners And then what?
 
@StephenWolfe Is it supposed to alert?
@StephenWolfe Ahh yeah, the form that changes values depending on selected radiobutton
 
@Magikaas year that to read test data atm.
 
8:37 AM
@SecondRikudo then teach your children to do the same, change the culture one mind at a time. this isn't a radical idea.
 
Also, it's hard to do that while keeping bombarded by rockets every day of the week, it's a bit of a demotivator for "peace".
 
@Magikaas Kind of hard to alert without realizing it :P
 
@SecondRikudo right, because when people are in a war-zone what they're really thinking is MOAR WAR!!!!!
 
Our good will has been abused by the other side plenty of time.
 
@SecondRikudo I can imagine, though while there are many paths to war, there is only one path to peace, and it is a difficult one to travel
 
8:38 AM
@Neil Not sure what you meant there, but I find console logging less annoying or interruptive, though that doesn't work on mobile or older IE versions
 
var columns = [];
var months = ['Janvier', 'Fevrier', 'Mars'];
for (var i = 0; i < months.length; i++) {
    columns[i] = {
        text: months[i],
        cls: 'column-header-month',
        align: 'left',
        columns: [],
        menuDisabled: true
    };
}
 
@SecondRikudo It was nice to hear your side, bye for now catch you later
 
@Magikaas Meh
 
@fahdijbeli ^
 
@Neil Hehehe :P
 
8:39 AM
@Magikaas In old versions of IE make sure you've got the dev tools open on page load, then the logging works
 
@monners only in IE8
 
@FlorianMargaine oh yes good idea thanks :*
 
@monners Yeah, but IE sometimes crashes when that is open (at least from my experience)
 
@FlorianMargaine There's an IE less than 8 ?
 
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8:40 AM
Ariel Sharon led a move to clear out of the Gaza strip completely, it means clearing Jewish people out of their lands. That move was complete, after a crapload of criticism. What do we get, increased rocket coverage. Thanks a lot.
 
@monners ⊙_ʘ
 
@Neil I know, call me a dreamer :P
 
@monners There is, but luckily the company I work for has decided to only support 8 and above and they are thinking of going for 9, but that might be a stretch, since many companies do still run on 8
 
After dirty moves like that, it's hard to trust again. Even the people who actually believe in peace and are in a position to do something significant are getting discouraged.
 
@Magikaas Same deal at my company
 
8:41 AM
:p
 
@Magikaas I turned off the alert now.
 
At least we don't guarantee an identical experience in IE8 and below
you'll get what you've inflicted on yourselves!
Man, not drinking sucks.
 
@monners .... you've got an issue.
 
@StephenWolfe Looks pretty good to me :) But dayum, that's expensive! :P
 
@FlorianMargaine I know, and I'm addressing it.
 
8:42 AM
@Magikaas the products?
 
@StephenWolfe I don't know quite what I am ordering, but I'm at 500 pounds so far
 
@Magikaas lol they are for ordering prints of brochures
 
@StephenWolfe So you charge 524 pounds for 5 brochures with 12 pages each? Wow, I should get started in that business, you are practically printing money
In fact, the paper you are selling costs more than most printed money is worth
 
@Magikaas Roughly 10 pounds per page :P
 
@Magikaas a typical order would be 800+ no point doing small jobs as its the set up costs of the machines
 
8:45 AM
You'd be able to print it on 20 pound notes
ah, so not quite then
close enough though
Still early >_<
@StephenWolfe I see, you have a point there, hahaha
 
I've heard of people who have bought their own 3d printer and handle odd requests
 
@Magikaas an order for say a share holders meeting might be. A4,148 pages, 800, 130g, 300g, purfectbound, matt lam
 
Must be a nice way to make a buck. You get your own 3d printer, and you don't have to do anything other than hit print
 
What would u print with one?
 
@StephenWolfe I don't know what's a normal size for a brochure, but what's so special about purfectbound? Do they bind it with catfur?
 
8:48 AM
@Neil Do they print latex yet?
 
@Magikaas perfect bound is using glue rather than staples
 
I was just messing with you about the typo :P
 
@Magikaas Mink, I believe
 
or is it actually purfect?
@monners Wow, that is quite premium
 
8:49 AM
@Neil Ho ho ho... Good. Good
 
@monners I suppose you didn't want to print latex balls though, did ya?
 
@Neil They'd be an extra
Ok, time for some Borderlands 2 action
 
@monners Have fun :P
@monners Farming or just questing/lvling?
 
Single-playering
 
Yesterday I was having one heck of a time asynchronously loading data in a service to be used in angular
 

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