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2:00 PM
Or, at least, not the account I'm using
 
@Nexxpresso my boss will kill me if u troll us :D
 
I don't like any of those "training" websites. Learning happens through projects, not videos
 
+ u need to be in india
 
> $29 per month
not too bad
 
2:00 PM
PER MONTH ?
 
if you want project files its $50
 
for what ?
 
@SomeKittens I'm with you
 
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@Darkyen Im in india and not a troll
 
@Nexxpresso TBH developing for Firefox alongside Chrome & Safari was never much of a problem.
 
2:00 PM
@SomeKittens Initial introduction to concepts happens through reading and videos, though
 
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gimme indian proxy someone
 
@Darkyen to learn!
 
They're pretty competible
 
GitHub === Best training website
 
@Loktar too much (x
 
2:00 PM
But if the material is relatively cheap, I think it's handy to have videos that explain things
 
@RyanKinal Yeah, but there's enough free stuff out there for that bootstrapping
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah but you didnt have to for webapps on android ios
 
I agree.. but idk sometimes i think I miss a lot of things
sometimes its nice to just have someone talk to you :P
 
@SomeKittens True. But when your employer pays for your account...
 
@RyanKinal how "good" are they??
 
2:01 PM
I haven't paid a dime for my JS learning (not counting a horrid web design class)
 
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now you will have to change everyfucking thing for android ..
 
its a writeoff for me
so Im thinking about getting it
 
I wouldn't mind brushing up on my c++ and WPF
 
well here is awesome thing that i came up upon
regarding web-apps
 
also an arch course wouldn't be bad
 
2:01 PM
@RyanKinal I'd say "buy me a smartphone instead so I can read about stuff on the go"
 
@VosCast
they are fucking waste of time if u fucking wanna clone native experience
 
that mixed with safaribooksonline.com
 
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@rlemon wpf looks good but porting is hassle
 
I will be a master of looking like Im learning stuff!
 
@rlemon Fairly good. I've taken 3 courses, and found two of them pretty helpful, even without project files.
 
2:02 PM
its never goona happen each os has its own idea of controls if you do that ... its better to take a m60 and shoot the hell out of ur development machine
 
@Nexxpresso yea, I wouldn't port - i'd re-write my projects.
 
@SomeKittens Actually, I'm following some free videos on Objective-C, from Stanford, and they're bloody brilliant
 
@Loktar Well said
 
WPF seems a lot simpler to design and implement GUIs
 
simple solution : "use css & phone specific controls"
@rlemon WPF is awesome'
 
2:02 PM
@Jimbo Yeah, free. For-pay is a whole different story.
 
but they fucked up windows 8
 
yea $50/mo wouldn't be much to shell out
 
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@rlemon Holy shit it is never ever fucking arround with the desinger file
 
@SomeKittens Yeah... I've been thinking about giving in and finally getting smartphoned.
 
dude I write winforms.... c# 2.0
 
2:02 PM
@RyanKinal dont buy now
wait for a month (x
 
@RyanKinal I'm just waiting for someone else to pay for me
 
hehe
 
@SomeKittens dude you are CEO of DORMLESS
 
lol
 
@Jimbo Recent ones?
 
2:03 PM
@Darkyen If only it were 1998, I'd be rich by now.
 
you dont have one @RyanKinal?
 
The last ones I found were iOS 5, I think, and I couldn't find a way to get them without iTunes
 
I have no interest in objective c :/
 
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@rlemon why
 
All I use mine for is music in my vehicle..
 
2:03 PM
@SomeKittens so lets implement filur fully ?
 
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i mean why
 
with flash fallback ?
 
@Nexxpresso because...
 
@Loktar And games?
 
@Darkyen You got totally scooped.
 
2:04 PM
someone pays me too
 
and start getting people to host assets on file coulds ?
 
@AmaanCheval not that much actually..
 
do I really need to explain why I have a job?
 
on my tablets sometimes
 
@rlemon As a language, it doesn't seem so good
 
2:04 PM
@SomeKittens no we didnt :
 
but I have like 50 android games lol
 
come to gtalk quick
 
@Loktar Nope. I still have an LG enV2
 
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but it is horrible
 
@Loktar Ah. I thought you actually played the games you bought :P
 
2:04 PM
@RyanKinal I miss that bugger. Great phone
 
user2157210
yeah explain
 
yea, so is Java... but millions of devs write Java for $$$
 
@AmaanCheval HAH
 
user2157210
you do have social care in canada right?
 
@Darkyen We'll see if I get into YC or not.
 
2:04 PM
I play like 30% of them at best
 
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why do you have a job
 
@SomeKittens Definitely. But mine's dying a slow and horrible death.
 
@rlemon millions of idiots write $$$
@SomeKittens with filur or Dormless ?
 
This chat is going too fast. Some people need to shut up :P
 
idc if Im an idiot would be nice to get $$
 
2:05 PM
@AmaanCheval be helpful
 
@Darkyen Didn't apply with Filur, you told me not to.
 
@Darkyen Dormless
 
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@Darkyen I wanna take the test please ?
 
Got another accelerator interested, but haven't heard back from them after initial emails.
 
@SomeKittens thankfully :D
@SomeKittens aww
 
2:05 PM
@Nexxpresso (Hint: Call people "sir". You'll sound more Indian)
 
Must a function always end with return; or will the code continue by itself where it left after the called function is over?
 
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@AmaanCheval I already started eating curry im indian
 
Mmmm... curry
 
@Ariane It'll continue anyway
 
Okay.
 
2:07 PM
I wonder how far I have to drive to get Indian food...
 
In most languages I've had experience with, at least
 
@Ariane if you don't return, the return value will be undefined and the IDE will complain
 
m59
@Å imeVidas I'm thinking that over...is the idea to pass an array of object (rather than just one object) to cache.php and have it fetch everything from each file and return it all at once? Than the reverse for caching, get all of it from youtube and vimeo, then send it to in an array to cache.php to break it back up and save to individual files?
 
@RyanKinal whats your username? not that it matters but i'm signing up and i'm putting you down as "how did you hear about us"
 
@Jan But I didn't set anything to the function. I didn't do var something=function();, just function();
 
2:07 PM
maybe you'll get some credits? idk. can't hurt right
 
@rlemon I sign in with ryan.kinal@mckissock.com
 
I'll try it for a month and see how well it is.
 
@rlemon nice Ill do the same
 
Wait... no... ryan-kinal
 
@AmaanCheval FUCK YOU sir ;D
 
2:08 PM
apparently
 
Just emailed the Bizdom guys again, we'll see what happens.
 
:-)
 
@rlemon PluralSight or Lynda?
 
PluralSight
 
they need a phone number :?
bastards.
 
2:09 PM
Hahaha
 
Holy crap (back to Blink/Chromium):
> For example, we anticipate that we’ll be able to remove 7 build systems and delete more than 7,000 files—comprising more than 4.5 million lines—right off the bat.
 
hah wow
 
O_O
 
The most productive day I had at my old job was deleting 4k loc
 
2:10 PM
@RyanKinal that sounds like over-exaggeration
and advertisimentistic
 
What I'm confused about is that Opera will be using this
 
Yeah, probably.
But still.
 
Didn't they say they'd move to Webkit?
 
Yeah... but really what they meant was "We'll move to whatever Google is using because GOOOOOGGGGLLLLEEEE"
 
Hahaha
 
2:12 PM
@RyanKinal what if google starts charging you $10 to use thier browser ?
 
More CSS3 prefixes? Yay. ._.
 
@Ariane No
less :P
 
@Darkyen Then I'll move to Opera :-P
 
jumping on the v8 wagon when they switched recently and are still in an early phase seems like not such a bad idea to me
 
@RyanKinal I will be more with mozzilla now :D
 
2:12 PM
@Ariane -o- is going away
 
i like thier mission thier idea mozilla is fucking awesome!
 
Yeah, Blink actually might make the situation with mobile better
 
@Darkyen But you'll be on Gecko, and I'll be on Blink :-D
 
@RyanKinal Doesnt matter :D
 
I'll use a Blink-Browser just because of the freaking name
 
2:13 PM
And V8
 
using mozilla product feels secure :P
 
> One change I rather like is Blink’s approach of vendor prefixes, which mirrors Firefox’s. It has copied all currently-existing -webkit- prefixes from WebKit, but will not add any new ones and will gradually remove the old ones when it becomes safe to do so.
@Ariane ^
 
m59
@Darkyen Remember that one time, when Netscape was going to charge for their browser?
 
and make my own chromium - build, version number 182
 
@rlemon which one did you sign up for?
 
2:13 PM
Sweet, gonna try it for a month. if it is good the boss is going to buy me a year subscription :P
 
the one w/o project files?
 
That's good.
 
@m59 i was too young yo
 
no with
I want offline and project files
 
bam.
 
m59
2:14 PM
@Darkyen and then Microsoft gave one away for free, LOL. To which Netscape basically said "OH %^&^*^&*%^&*%"
 
signed up as well
 
Wait, what service?
 
https://pluralsight.com
 
That's good for Google, even if the only thing it did was to dissociate it from Safari.
 
2:14 PM
they have node too
 
@m59 afaik microsoft browser was good then
 
m59
NO. It just was better than other stuff.
 
wait arg..
I see no php lol
thats what I wanted it for..
 
@Loktar you realize node.js team was told to fuck off by google chrome team ?
 
facepalm
@Darkyen no whys that?
 
2:15 PM
well u can DOS any node.js server
the way v8 maps objects :D
 
shit.. they really have no php training..
 
if u put in insane high number of post queries
it will take loads of time to map it in an object
 
m59
At least from what I understand, nothing was good when the web started off. We're only just getting to a reasonable time (and people argue that html/css are still totally screwed beyond repair)
 
for v8
 
@Darkyen crazy :? that sucks actually
 
2:16 PM
oh, those are actually pretty neat -> github.hubspot.com/messenger
 
@Loktar LOL did you click the "we recommend you print the receipt now" link.
 
@Loktar google it
 
what a receipt!
 
lol
well Im going to cancel mine already :?
I wanted php infoz!
 
lol yea I don't need php
 
2:17 PM
I should have looked.. but I just assumed
 
Wow. How do they have Node but not PHP?
 
also php is like a dime a dozen for free stuff
 
yeah thats really weird..
 
I've been using it for .NET and REST stuff.
 
@rlemon yeah I want some good php oop training
 
2:17 PM
c++ WPF and arch are what I'm in for
 
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@Darkyen if i buy a cow am i indian enough?
 
I'm trying to learn C++
 
@AmaanCheval dude
use C++ ROOM
 
But I'm probably just going to use an eBook and YouTube
 
they will guide u better :P
they are just very nosey though at times
 
2:18 PM
@Darkyen I'm not asking for suggestions or anything
 
and can explode on you for using stupid stuff instead of super fast shit taht u didnt even know
but at the end they tell u :D what to do how to do
 
Although, what do you use on Windows for C++?
 
@AmaanCheval Visual C++ ?
 
@Loktar talk to teresko and ircmaxell
 
damn Im disappoined now :(
 
2:18 PM
i'm sure both will be able to point you in the right place for those
 
okay cya gonna work
my boss gave me a challenge i has to complete
 
Enjoy
 
@Darkyen Yea once they stopped either flagging t or insulting you.
wtf!?
How did that t survive?
 
T's are survivors
 
Oh, this is a horribly sad state of affairs regarding Indian Restaurants near me
 
@RyanKinal Do you travel a lot?
 
Ive got more :P
 
@AmaanCheval A fair amount.
 
you dont live in PA do you?
For some reason I thought you were on the west coast
 
check out ircmaxells youtube vids
 
2:24 PM
Oh wtf I didnt know he had vids
 
@Loktar I'm in Warren, PA
 
nice thanks
 
@Loktar dude, I found out a week ago that Penny comes from where you live!
 
Penny?
 
yea I find they are well done.
 
2:24 PM
from TBBT
 
..
 
OOh haha
 
@Loktar yeah.... regarding that.... maps.google.com/…
 
Penny got less and less hot the more I watched the show
 
so is Lady Gaga
 
2:24 PM
I don't know if they meant to do that
 
wtf
 
@GNi33 you linked my link :P
you have to click the link button (next to the print button) its dumb
 
yeah, totally forgot -> goo.gl/maps/pc6zR
 
@Loktar ... are you in PA? New Bethlehem?
 
@RyanKinal no, near Omaha
from MI originally though, so still midwest
 
2:26 PM
suck on that, no indian food for me! :D
 
Oh, you had me confused there for a minute :-)
 
for some reason I thought I was the only midwesterner here
@GNi33 your terrain looks badass
 
it actually is
austria is a beautiful country after all
 
PS if anybody has good interview questions in mind ping me or mail me (abhishek@hingnikar.com)
 
I've lived in Upstate/Western NY for my entire life, up until 3 years ago.
 
2:27 PM
especially the region where I live, the Salzkammergut, gotta love it
 
hah bit of a change I imagine?
 
and Salzburg
 
@GNi33 yeah I need to travel to Europe..
 
@Loktar Agreed
 
2:27 PM
yay shitty waterloo!
 
@Loktar when you do, give me a call ;)
 
full of foreign food!
 
@GNi33 I will for sure
 
@rlemon I'm jealous.
Anyway... meeting time.
 
see ya
 
2:28 PM
dude, did you even look at "Curry in a Hurry"
 
haha
 
sounds appetizing no?
 
"I need some Curry and I am in a god damned hurry!"
> ok sir 15 minute!
 
it is actually quite tasty curry
 
2:29 PM
but the name is funny
 
@rlemon but yeah, the terrain is pretty nice around here, i mean i live like 10 minutes from this here -> gosau.org/uploads/pics/gosausee-sommer_03.jpg
 
@Loktar give me a call too
 
@FlorianMargaine will do!
 
don't expect me to answer
 
Yeah, guys, about those Indian restaurants. maps.google.com/…
 
2:29 PM
 
I want to go to france/england/italy/germany (and now Austria)
 
^
^Firefox has improved there memory management
 
@GNi33 That looks pretty neat!
 
it is, it's my preferred running track around the lake
 
earlier this would be in GBs
 
2:30 PM
@GNi33 yea we're not too bad off. We've got ~half million people living here so there is a lot of parks and trails and shit
the Grand River is quite large and spans a few cities. ieee.uwaterloo.ca/~praetzel/Ontario/100_0150.jpg
 
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@Darkyen Like general questions or specific ones
 
+ there is like 4 golf courses... they always add nice scenery
 
@rlemon nice
 
@Nexxpresso I have to ask them frontend and backend questions
 
yea I wish I lived near a lake
 
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2:32 PM
what position are tehy going to take
 
we have Guelph lake but it is small and shitty
 
thing is :-/ i have to choose survive or die in 5 minutes :D
 
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simple dev or teamleader?
 
@Nexxpresso dev
but since we are small startup :P thats kinda crucial
 
user2157210
ask them some questions completly out of field
 
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2:32 PM
see how they react
 
^ my lego minifig
got that yesterday. Its badass.
 
user2157210
its about them handling unknown situations
 
how do you check if a variable is NAN
NaN?
 
P ≠ NP or P = NP,
Explain......
isNaN(myVar)
 
you use the function isNaN()
 
2:34 PM
how?
 
@GNi33 Oh yea! FUCK YOU! That's right, you heard me. FUCK YOU! Now I want a Tschisi so badly that I'd kill for it ...
 
26 secs ago, by rlemon
isNaN(myVar)
 
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@Darkyen do something like that put 2 chairs infront of the table
 
^ like that
 
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tell them to choose a chair
 
user2157210
after that ask them why they chose that specific chair
 
shim: if (!window.isNaN) { window.isNaN = function(n) { return n !== n; }; }
 
@Nexxpresso o.O
 
oh ok thanks guys
 
@Nexxpresso waste of time
 
2:35 PM
@FlorianMargaine is that really neccessary?
 
@FlorianMargaine isNaN is ECMAScript 1st Edition
js 1.0
 
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@FlorianMargaine Well if they cant manage that situation they will be useless
 
there is no need for a shim
 
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if they get to nervous
 
2:35 PM
it's just for the kicks
 
how can I upload an image and display it in javascript using file control?
 
3
Q: In HTML5 how to show preview of image before upload?

Hardik SondagarIn my HTML form I have input filed with type file for example : <input type="file" multiple> Then I'm selecting multiple files by clicking that input button. Now I want to show preview of selected images before submitting form . How to do that in HTML 5?

 
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@Darkyen just be creative
 
@RyanKinal dude... how am I supposed to watch these vids AND listen to dubstep at the same time?
:( now i'm sad
 
@rlemon I also need to be able to convert it into base64 to send it to the server as a string
 
2:40 PM
@rlemon U funny, bro.
 
!!> Math.pow(NaN, Infinity);
 
@jAndy "NaN"
 
@rlemon thank you :)
 
I just sent a challenge to my colleagues
 
2:41 PM
!!/stat jAndy extended
 
@jAndy [jAndy](http://stackoverflow.com/users/1386886/jandy) has 66576 reputation, earned 232 rep today, asked 51 questions, gave 1849 answers, for a q:a ratio of 51:1849.
avg. rep/post: 35.04. Badges: 8g 78s 143b
 
"How would you rewrite isNaN if it didn't exist"
 
!!/stat ShotgunNinja extended
 
@ShotgunNinja [Shotgun Ninja](http://stackoverflow.com/users/410342/shotgun-ninja) has 289 reputation, earned 0 rep today, asked 1 questions, gave 10 answers, for a q:a ratio of 1:10.
avg. rep/post: 26.27. Badges: 0g 4s 7b
 
35 !
 
2:41 PM
they're thinking very hard
@jAndy how far away from legendary badge?
 
@FlorianMargaine ultimate.. like 80 days or so
 
I guess you need 150 days rep cap
 
so you've done like 170 days?
nope, 250
 
I don't know, sec
 
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2:42 PM
its 150 days / 200 rep
 
ah no, it's 150
 
rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only on 51 days*
 
@FlorianMargaine A way I'd expect (other than what you had above) would be val.toString() === 'NaN';
 
so
99 to go O_o
 
@jAndy formatting wat
 
2:43 PM
99 Luftballons !
 
@AmaanCheval {toString:function(){return "NaN"})}
 
@AmaanCheval hmm nice
 
I got banned for the first time in the chat earlier :p
 
what does it actually take to get banned ?
just one flag ?
 
2:45 PM
@JanDvorak Haha, only the kind of asshole who would replace the value of undefined would have that sort of code :P
 
one flag for 1.5h
 
1.5h ?
 
@rlemon too hard
 
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@Darkyen do they dev alone or in teams?
 
no way, I answered pretty furious to some guy.. and I got like.. insta booted
 
2:47 PM
ah those ignorant people
@FlorianMargaine LISP is not a functional language? I'm sorry, but whaaaaa? A language developed to be the programmatic form of lambda calculus and you're saying it's not functional? How do you figure? — Jimmy Hoffa 25 mins ago
 
at first glance I'd agree to that line
 
Lisp is as functional as C
really.
 
@Loktar DO. WANT. NAO!
@OctavianDamiean haha, is there a billa around you anywhere, they should have it
 
@FlorianMargaine I dunno..
Afaik, Lisp had one of the first concepts of operator functions, funArgs, etc.
which pretty much is way beyond C on that path
 
(defun some-func ()
    (some instruction)
    (other instruction))
this is as procedural as you can get ^
@jAndy there's no "operator functions"
and C has function pointers since the beginning
 
2:51 PM
from a procedural perspective you might be right, but again, functional wise its a different story imo
@FlorianMargaine operator functions typically are defined as functions which accept other functions as argument and return new functions
 
the only difference between Lisp and, say, PHP, is infix vs prefix way to call functions
well, PHP is a bad example
let's say Lisp and C.
@jAndy then... function pointers totally allow that in C
 
@Nexxpresso 1 team
 
and the closures don't make a language functional...
 
mstly will work with me
 
@FlorianMargaine yes but that works totally different under the hood
 
2:53 PM
actually, no
well, yes
but that's because Lisp uses a GC
 
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@Darkyen oh will work with you
 
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i wouldnt apply ..
 
@jAndy you know, most lisp implementations don't do tail call optimization
 
@FlorianMargaine you might be able to map some concepts, but things like high-order functions, operators, etc. are still not known in C
and a functional language to me, is specialized on stuff like that
 
@Nexxpresso Why do you think I haven't applied yet? :P
 
2:56 PM
functional language, to me, is a language where recursion is the natural way to do stuff
 
in C you may only return a function pointer
 
like Haskell or Erlang
 
but in a functional language, functions are first-class instances
 
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@AmaanCheval :D because you cant sort 9 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1
 
which got treated differently, or lets say, on a higher abstraction level
within the language
actually, also the "problem" of closures comes into play with this concept
functional return values
does Lisp have a closure concept ?
 
2:58 PM
if a language implementing closures is functional for you
then yeah, lisp is a functional language
but it's not the closures that make a language functional
it's the no iteration thingie, it's the no side-effect thingie, it's the pure-side thingie
and lisp is everything but side-effect free.
 

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