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@Strawberry how many layers?
probably never more than 4
But to say the least, is there more to promises? I feel like there's something more to it than just "flattening" the pyramid
are there more to promises*
@Incognito now it's out. ;)
can add AFK time at a later date (" <username> is <afk message>. They've been gone for <time>")
@Strawberry Promises are like MooTools. Sure, they're different, and there are advantages to difference, but don't be surprised when everyone around you is using jQuery.
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18:04
@Shmiddty There's so many plugins I've written for Caprica and then decided weren't something we needed in this room...
And I currently have it as !!afk message to go afk, and !!afk to return. There is no auto-un-afk
@SomeKittens I don't know what MooTools are >__<
@Strawberry A quick Google search would have revealed the answer.
@Jhawins so you're saying you have the bot on your system already?
I've read a lot about it already, and even read the Promise/A+ specification, but I couldn't quite nudge the feeling. Would you be so kind to share the link that would reveal the answer with me?
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18:07
@Shmiddty Nah. I set it up again each time, because I play around a lot from the office.
aug
aug
You guys should report your times :P toys.usvsth3m.com/javascript-under-pressure
@aug 0 min 0 sec
-1min
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@aug Well number 1 took 3 seconds... Don't really care to go further if it's going to bet stupid stuff.
!!> (Math.max()) + ' min 0 sec'
18:09
@rlemon "-Infinity min 0 sec"
aug
aug
@Jhawins meh its not that hard. it does get a little harder but not substantially.
most people in here have done it and flew through 4/5 getting 'hung up' on one (usually 4th or 5th)
so did everyone her that popup?
"password required"
tfzr.net
oh, I need to do that.
Has anyone seen bluebird? There's a lot of say in how optimized it is, can anyone explain why?
because the bird is the word
18:13
@jhawins go further, it's not bad
Project MKUltra is the code name of a U.S. government covert human research operation experimenting in the behavioral engineering of humans (mind control) through the CIA's Scientific Intelligence Division. The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and officially halted in 1973. The program engaged in many illegal activities; in particular it used unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy. MKUltra involved the use of many methodologies ...
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@C5H8NNaO4 ugh fine.
hahahahaha
Project ARTICHOKE (also referred to as Operation ARTICHOKE) was a CIA project that researched interrogation methods and arose from Project BLUEBIRD on August 20, 1951, run by the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence. A memorandum by Richard Helms to CIA director Allen Welsh Dulles indicated Artichoke became Project MKULTRA on April 13, 1953. The project studied hypnosis, forced morphine addiction (and subsequent forced withdrawal), and the use of other chemicals, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects. ARTICHOKE was an offensive program of mi...
MKUltra === "project BLUEBIRD"
crazy CIA
@ChrisBarthol Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
@Jhawins It was expensive before SV, now it's the most expensive place in the US.
user1596138
18:18
function getFileExtension(i) {

    // i will be a string, but it may not have a file extension.
    // return the file extension (with no period) if it has one, otherwise false

    var ind = i.indexOf('.');
    if (ind != -1) return i.substr(ind +1);
    else return false

}
Startups used to all be centered in Mountain View, then Google happened, and that got expensive, now they're moving north. SOMA's the place to be, but more are sprouting up in the Financial District thanks to cheaper office space
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I feel like I did that one stupid.
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But it worked, and on Q 3 I'm at 16 seconds.
@Jhawins I did this return ~i.indexOf('.') ? i.split('.').pop() : false;
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Interesting.
18:21
@Jhawins Grew up in Oneonta (central NY) and went to college in Rochester (Western NY)
@Jhawins :( Q5 killed my time (12 seconds)
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@rlemon Your time was 12 seconds?
14.6 seconds total.
did the first four in just over two seconds
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I'm working, so I'm waiting till I have a gap and know for sure I won't get called afk :P
central/western ny is like a whole different state
18:24
yea that is the worst - it is support season for us so i'm getting a dozen or so calls a day
got no time to code!
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@rlemon Not without knowing what they were ahead of time. You couldn't even read the instructions in much less than that.
@nderscore Yeah. It's so annoying when people assume the entire state is NYC
lol, but I did.
first three were like taking a piss
4th took like a second to figure out
last one killed me (10 seconds due to a typo)
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First 2 are all I've done, I'm at 9 seconds.
if the first one takes any time at all you need to stop drinking before work.
the second should take less time to implement that it does to read
@Amaan (@SomeGuy) I keep trying to ping you under this name then think "shit he isn't online"
aug
aug
18:27
its usually 4 and 5 that screw you up but dang 12 seconds is pretty crazy. nice :)
the fasts in this room was like 6 seconds
@copy or @Florian iirc
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@rlemon First time through you're telling me you did the first 3 in under 4 seconds each?
@Zirak I'm at item #7 now. :D
@Jhawins yes sir
you can ask me to prove it, but I can't unless they give us five new questions
@OctavianDamiean whats the point of TS if you ignore the chat :P
Only 1606 more to go.
@rlemon Voice chat.
18:29
but I can't voice chat, and i'm the only other person on with you :P
aug
aug
I find 6 seconds hard to believe. Your typing speed must be off the charts haha
I'm listening to music, so I don't hear the TS sounds.
ahh
fair enough
@aug well mine is actually not that high, higher than "average" but I know Florian is a very fast typer and copy is just nutts smart
user1596138
@rlemon Using @Zirak code for question (will be below), and removing unnecessary white-space he wouldn't have typed, he would have had to use at least 1 second to read the instructions. Given that he has 3 seconds left and manages to type roughly 127 characters, you would have to be typing at a speed of > 42Characters/Sec. Giving you a typing speed of roughly 2,500WPM and somehow thinking over the question at the same time. So if you really did do it, congrats, that's badass.
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return i.reduce(function (ret, item) {
    if (!item.toUpperCase) {
        return ret;
    }
    return ret.length > item.length ? ret : item;
})
18:33
ok dude, whatever you want to believe. he actually did his after I did mine (I was on TS with them while doing it) - and our first three answers (aside from some small stuff) were almost identical.
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> So if you really did do it, congrats, that's badass.
like answer 1, how long does it take to add '+i' and submit? half a second?
half a second to read the instructions?
not even?
I imagine lots of time is spent by people trying to 'understand' what they have to do .
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Q: dir="auto" JavaScript shim for IE

mcarthurartNote: This is my first post to this site. Please let me know if I am not following convention correctly. Note: I would have added dojo and bidi (bi-directionality) tags to this post but they do not exist yet and my reputation is not high enough to do so myself Reason for script: dir="auto" is...

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It's cool, you know I over-analyze things, I like precision. It's certainly impossible for me to accomplish because I'm not capable of understanding question 3 in less than a few seconds. Let alone whatever other questions await me.
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I can solve them quickly, but understanding the problem is what took the majority of my time.
18:36
was three the sum or the longest string?
or ext?
I can't remember
aug
aug
I'm still a rookie hehe XD I won't bother saying my score :P
no 5 was the sum
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Longest. It fucked me.
aug
aug
i believe 3 was the longestString
what screwed me up on that for like a second was I did a sort > reverse > grab (because I wasn't thinking and could have reversed the sort in the sort)
user1596138
18:37
I just gave up, I had a phone call so I hit 'GO' but it wasn't quite right haha.
but in the sort I didn't notice .length > .lengt
thankfully the green syntax highlighting made it VERY clear what I did wrong
if it wasn't for that I probably would have spent a while on that one as well looking for the mistake
user1596138
The editor screwed me over too haha. Auto-completed where I didn't need it.
but yea, it would be cool if he releases new questions periodically.
aug
aug
how long have you guys been doing Javascript? jw
Since about 14 month
18:41
~3 years since I came back to it
@aug Been developing in JS almost exclusively for almost a year.
was doing js in late 90's early 2000
I remember learning javascript in the late 90's. It was the dark ages.
The book I had gave examples that would only work in IE or only work in Netscape
Only Netscape supports <div> layers!
Netscape Navigator ftw
Oh its actually 1.5 years. how time runs
18:46
ohh how I loved the loading audio for NN
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Q: Making programming a career— without a degree. Is this smart?

DevonAeroI asked this before and go downvoted hard so someone said I should try posting here... Any help would be MASSIVELY helpful. I'm doing Udacity, Udemy, Codecademy, Lynda, and edX. I'm learning Java (my favorite), MySQL, Python (the hardest), Javascript, HTML, CSS, and just began to learn C. I work...

@nderscore and <layer> - that shit was tight
@rlemon About the same for me!
Since I first learned any JS, I think.
3-4 years
well js today vs js when I started is a whole new beast
I had to forget everything I knew (wasn't hard)
Why'd you have to forget everything?
JS hasn't changed that drastically to me
18:50
'best practices' from 2001 no longer apply.
and there is a lot of stupid IE shit you no longer have to care about
have you ever had to support pre IE6? :P
Ah. I didn't hear about best practices until I came here and saw @Raynos yelling at everyone
but you were born in 97 yes?
@rlemon I don't think I remember a time when IE6 existed, man
user1596138
> There are those who are smart, and there are those who were trained to be smart.
user1596138
18:51
Basically sums up all answers to his question.
ok, so i'm talking about when you were like 5 years old man :P
lets say you have

#HTML {color:green;}
#CSS {color:green;}
#JS {color:green;}

Is there a way to define all three in one go?

E.g.:
#HTML,CSS,JS {color:green;}
which amazes me every day that i'm talking to web programmers who were born after the web. :P
user1596138
I was born in 94.
18:53
@deep can I show you the mdn article on selectors before you feel stupid for asking?
!!tell deep mdn css selectors
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yes
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Never had that much trouble one-boxing... Damn Google and it's modified links.
I still don't entirely believe that there are teenagers who never lived in the 20th century.
18:55
hrm, It looks like that page doesn't scream the answer out like I thought it would. but still, deep.
#HTML,#CSS,#JS {color:green;}
now go head-desk a few times
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@rlemon how the hell do you find a job at 19 with no degree/formal training? I'm trying. I just don't even know where to apply :P
I was 16
:P
user1596138
Well I've had this job since 17, but it's not what I would call the start of my career.
@Jhawins Jobs are hard. Freelance is much easier.
18:56
and tl;dr I actually did my sr. co-op there and long story short it was supposed to be a university co-op position so they payed me for it anyways and hired me past the term.
I've taken every freelance job so far that I think may help my portfolio.
Paperback from $0.01 @nderscore
user1596138
@SomeGuy Do you live in the US? Freelance kills you on taxes.
Nope. India.
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We could always refer that kid to @deep 's "deepSchool" for his education.
18:58
@Jhawins Well, yeah, your living situation is different also because I still live with my parents, and have pretty much no expenses from what I earn.
ohh god my first programming book was a perl book from my local library I got in like 1998-99
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@SomeGuy That makes all the difference. For sure.
@Jhawins you should look into applying at II, if you haven't. (Editing fail here, sorry if it double pings)
You got your forst porgramming book the year i was born @rlemon
My first programming book was like a year after I learned
18:59
was also the year of my first pube.
so you can be excited about that as well.
Hahahaha
@SomeGuy haha yea I was already a few years into basic at that point
You know that? @rlemon

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