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22:00
Hmm... Well, I guess I better keep looking for a workaround, thanks @Incognito
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fuck it i flagged all of it
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thought maybe a logical response was forthcoming but i guess it was just personal attacks after all
now i gotta get that flag weight back up...
eh. i just voted the flags invalid.
:)
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lol
nice
so what kind of flags would be valid exactly?
i flagged it on the grounds that it was offensive, since i was offended
racist, sexist, all around disgusting, those qualify
someone saying something stupid and getting called on it....not so much. :)
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wait a second now
i really don't understand what i said that was stupid
i am trying to understand
the thing about xhtml being a hack?
also: "Do you want to flag this message as spam, inappropriate, or offensive?"
seriously, i want to know why this is perceived as being stupid. I'd like to have an actual logical conversation about it
22:11
offensive in general. not necessarily "offensive to someone who wants to be offended". :)
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so, like, offensive to more than one person? Yeah i guess that makes sense
hya
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anyway all that aside i'd really like to know what mistake you guys think i've made that is so stupid, i'm missing it
is there any mootools expert here?
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22:13
no
let me go back over the conversation again. the only reason i saw any of it in the first place is you flagged all that crap...lol
I need help with multibox
I get error "this.contentToLoad.desc.injectInside is not a function" when using multibox
@cHao , his whole thing begun when he was whoring for rep ( had 999, wanted 1k ) and i gave him exactly 1 point ( as in +5 -2 -2 )
heh
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yeah at that point it was actually pretty funny
22:18
ok...let's see...far as i've seen yet...
.. and then you kept thinking about it .. an thinking .. and thinking more
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Did I? You seem to have quite a bit of insight as to what's going on in my head.
(1) you're talking about adding CDATA blocks to html...besides the fact that any HTML parser worth its salt will parse < and > just fine when they don't look like they're delimiting a tag....would that even be valid?
i don't remember hearing a thing about CDATA til xml got big.
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@cHao yeah, i use a system with an xml preprocessor so i'm used to doing that. I didn't know if wordpress maybe used a similar preprocessor
also....html is not xml. if it's xhtml, that's a thing all its own -- and any errors in parsing are caused by some fuckwit using the wrong tool for the job.
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22:25
also notice that his IDE was choking on that line, probably because of the unescaped >
yeah i'll concede that dreamweaver is pretty much the wrong tool for any job
html parsers don't parse xml, and xml parsers don't parse html. they'd parse xhtml, but really...who uses xhtml anymore? :)
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everyone, it's just not called xhtml anymore, it's called html5, but it's the same thing
umm...no.
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old html had no self-terminating tags
new html is just like xhtml as far as the tag syntax
where old html wasn't
i.e. it's parseable as xml
neither does new html. the only reason they're allowed is cause of all the incompetents who don't know html from xhtml.
they're not required, and if you use them, you lose my respect.
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22:28
really? see that i didn't know, now i'm learning something :)
so in html5 i'm supposed to just write <br> ?
yep
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hmm but doesn't that kill the advantage of being able to run stuff through an xml parser?
s/<br \/>/<br> duck
"advantage"?
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i like being able to do that, gives me a huge amount of control over the output
22:30
xml parsers shouldn't be touching html.
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that get combined into html pages
if you want to use xhtml, you go for it. in which case, your shit better validate as xhtml. strict.
just give it up
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well, in the project i'm working on now, it's a bunch of xml fragments
@tereško why do you even bother to say stuff like that? I'm trying to learn something, you're not really helping.
so anyway currently i have a bunch of combinable xml fragments that get merged into various html documents
it actually does end up as xhtml, with a strict doctype. not html5 yet.
but i suppose i could make it output html5 instead... but i don't see the advantage really, it seems like more work coming from xml
xml was not meant for layout, design, etc. fact is, at one point there was even a statement in the html5 specs that "generally speaking, authors are discouraged from trying to use XML on the web."
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22:36
even so, at least well-formed xml can be parsed by a simple set of rules. It's much more difficult to parse HTML. I don't see why html would be preferable
> The second concrete syntax uses XML, and is known as "XHTML5". When a document is transmitted with an XML MIME type, such as application/xhtml+xml, then it is processed by an XML processor by Web browsers, and treated as an "XHTML5" document. Generally speaking, authors are discouraged from trying to use XML on the Web, because XML has much stricter syntax rules than the "HTML5" variant described above, and is relatively newer and therefore less mature.
because html is what browsers speak, and thus what you will have to speak if you want to be universally understood.
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"because XML has much stricter syntax rules" -- in this case that's actually what i want =/
you say that NOW....
lol
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i've been on this project for a few years and it's been working fine =/
but i might look into getting it to spit out html
like i said, if you want to use xhtml, you go right on ahead. but your shit better validate as xhtml.
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22:39
i just don't understand the waffling... first html, then a variant (xhtml) that is parseable as xml, then back to html
yeah it does, it validates as strict
basically, WHATWG got tired of W3c dicking around with XHTML
and getting ready to make breaking changes to everyfreakingthing
so they said "you know what? this is how it's gonna be. it's gonna be HTML. not this XML crap, not some bastard XML-HTML love child...HTML."
they shoved W3C out of the way and got things evolving again
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hmm, that's a good way to explain it :)
now W3C is on board, cause they realize if they don't support HTML they'll fade into irrelevance.
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so what is this XHTML5 thing? I had never even heard of that before
just some thing nobody uses?
it's html5 for people that have had their brains irreparably damaged by xhtml
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22:43
lol
for people that just can't seem to pry themselves away from their self-closing tags and such
hi guys
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well either way there's a huge value in having the fragments be easily parseable on my end (so, xml)... but maybe i will look into an HTML5 output target
anyway thanks for taking the time to explain it :)
:)
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oh wait, one last thing
so are < characters allowed in script tags in HTML5?
and i guess CDATA is not even a thing since it's not XML
22:47
yes. there's no CDATA sections to worry about
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and DTDs and stuff are gone too i guess
pretty much. now it's just <!doctype html>
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how is that stuff defined now since there are no DTDs? Like how do you know what tags can go in other tags?
you read the specs. :) hold on
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like, in eclipse for example it will pull the DTD and provide autocompletion and warnings and stuff
based on the DTD
for xhtml anyway
22:49
is it better to use 3 digit or 6 digit hex characters when possible?
in stylesheets
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But how are tools meant check validity with no DTD =/
I don't mean just the DOCTYPE thing, i mean the actually DTD that formally defines what goes where
when i work on an XML document in eclipse it knows exactly what I can and can't do based on the DTD. I can write my own DTD and it will work with that too.
i'm not aware of any DTD. things are a lot less strict, i know that.....hold on a sec
Anyone have a suggesstion?
yeah...it's basically certain elements the parser knows about, and knows they where they can and can't go
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22:56
hmm
@Ryan personally, i don't care. if all my colors can be 3 digits, i'll do 3...if not, i'll use 6. it's about consistency over laziness :)
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ISTM that for the tools i'm using, writing xml fragments against a DTD is a better option than writing plain old html, not having my tools know how to parse it, and having to write a much more complex parser to combine the fragments
well, having to write a parser in the first place. With XML the work's already done
@cHao Thanks cHao, that's what I figured. I just thought it might save file size for stylesheets
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but, that doesn't mean an HTML output target is necessarily a bad idea
@GGG: you're doing dom stuff and inserting subtrees and all that?
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23:03
oh yeah
dom stuff, rewriting links, injecting stuff into forms, etc
a decent html parser would already be able to do all that...but yeah. if you have existing support for xml, you might want to stick with it.
i know i wouldn't wanna have to, though. :)
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i think it's a toolchain thing. Eclipse "gets" xml. I can add my own extensions and stuff if i want, add them to my DTD, and get autocomplete help
i can make for designers things like <foo:tab> or whatever and it just works. They love it.
they get autocomplete, popup help, etc
all comes from the DTD
eclipse gets xml cause it was written in java. sun, oracle, etc define "enterprisey". :)
and java just wouldn't be enterprisey enough without a couple of built in xml parsers.
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funny thing is, i'm using php
eclipse+pdt
ewww
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23:08
+zend debugger
lol
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heheh i know
but luckily php and everything else under the sun has a built in xml parser as well ;)
i tried the php tools for eclipse...i was like...."wait..that's it?"
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yeah they're not too good
it's better with the zend stuff
i set most of it up in eclipse but honestly i just use gedit most of the time =p eclipse is more for the design guys
i wanted to make sure they had a nice IDE
i tend to use vim here
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23:10
yeah i can't get used to the keyboard shortcuts
all i really need is a decent text editor. a whole ide, for php, is overkill
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yeah, pretty much. But the design guys don't know how to grep for stuff or do stuff without a lot of hand holding
plus the zend debugger comes in handy like once a month or so
heh
oh...damn. i should head home
lol
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too much working
lol
pretty much :)
later
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23:13
later :) thanks again
:)
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23:27
> XML documents may contain a DOCTYPE if desired, but this is not required to conform to this specification. This specification does not define a public or system identifier, nor provide a format DTD.
JFTR.
Alright @tereško here's your nice quiet chatroom back. Maybe someone will come by for you to pick on in a while :)
nights
23:45
Some times I feel like I'm a bad developer, then I go on the front page of the main site's questions and feel really good about myself.
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I mean i'd be better if you digged trenches instead.
I'm pretty sure you can't get digging trenches wrong
Maybe holes. Maybe they should dig holes instead
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