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8:00 PM
so Ivo, if you're going to play on LinkedIn, I'll "friend" you if you like.
 
twitter is great..
used #linkedin
30 seconds later I get spam! :D
@Nathan Hold on, I just have to make sure to use a completely different password there...
oh hey, company and job title are required
 
:D
Well done
Talking of spam!
I got a phone call that was an adverted tape
Someone called me then put me through to a tape once I answered. Like tf?
 
don't they have any option... for... uh selecting "not employed"?
 
they don't...
yea, LinkedIn sucks
their website sucks
 
8:13 PM
@IvoWetzel why do you have a LinkedIn?
 
Dunno
anyways I should finish my portfolio site
 
I mostly use it to keep in touch with excoworkers I like.
 
Yes
probably
I should write code
 
me too
 
+1 away, dangit....
 
8:15 PM
Anyone need any code?
 
I just can't come up with any good layout for the portfolio sections
 
@Raynos you would shoot yourself if you had to work on my JS project.
oh yeah, before I get back to that I have more MS Access SQL to write :(
 
@Nathan want some refactoring? I will leave mean comments complaining about how shit the code is everywhere though
 
Seriously, you don't want to see it.
And it only runs inside an IE6 embedded in the vendor's app.
 
is that your "JS project"
 
8:20 PM
The vendor injects horrible things into the page.
 
I seperate shitty work code and elegant own code
 
Ahah. Yes, the "good part" is that I can use any IE6-compatible JS, and get data from the backend with Ajax.
 
@Nathan I mean seperate projects
 
One thing I'm doing is rewriting the horribly daisy-chained async requests using parallel and series from async.js.
 
There is the code I do at work then theres the code I do at home
I dont code at home enough
 
8:23 PM
I hardly code at all at home; mostly quick hackish Perl scripts. More into music (and parenting) at home.
 
@Nathan use buffer.append that's only series though
I havn't written a parallel
 
Cool.
 
$.when should do most of parallel
The thing about $.when & buffer.append is that there ajax independant. Make the series/parlleld code ajax, deferred or just a function
 
Anything is better than the current code, which I inherited.
Still, I have to respect the fact that the original 3600 line JS code actually works.
 
i would look into Deferred you can abstract away what it is your deferring
 
8:27 PM
I like async.series and parallel just fine, because it lets me write a `main()`style function instead of the current daisychained spaghetti code.
 
8:40 PM
morning all
 
@david mornin'
are you in Hawaii or something?
 
i wish
new zealand
 
Oh! @Raynos has been looking for someone in Australia.
 
You wound me
 
sorry, I know that can be a sensitive thing especially for the "lesser" side.
 
8:51 PM
Again!
 
If it makes you feel any better, I think NZ is way cooler that Australia. I'd rather visit there, anyway.
Uh, and by "cooler" I mean "more interesting".
 
nothing at all to do with 'less desert' and stuff
 
> Raynos 301453 9:24:07 Thinking of abandoning england and setting shop in AUS.
 
9:13 PM
@Nathan not right now. I graduate in July '12
I'd be interested in trying the AUS or NZ region
Wondering whether migrating there and picking up a job is do-able.
Or whether they go "Psh englands job experience? English degree. That's worth nothing"
 
... in the US IT industry I don't think there's much perceived distinction between domestic or foreign experience or education. In some cases there can be work visa baggage though.
From what I've heard though, AUS & NZ rather encourage immigration? At least they used to.
 
@Nathan they seem to. But I want to know how much of a financial buffer I need. How much jobless-ness downtime is there? Is it possible to get a job offer before immigration?
 
It is in the US. Ask @david about NZ.
 
I see.
 
I don't really know much about immigration i'm afraid, i was only 9 when we came over here
i don't see why you couldn't get a job before moving over
infact it may make it easier to get the paperwork done
 
9:26 PM
I see
Do I need more then a years experience and a degree?
 
yeah, here in the US the employer signs the work visa. In Canada I think the employer also has to explain why they're hiring a foreigner instead of a Canadian.
But watch out; it can be hard for work visa employees because if their company lays them off, they may have to leave the country. Employers know they have this leverage and may not treat the foreign employee as fairly/competitively because they're "captive".
 
Oh
I want to migrate as a citizen
not get a work visa
I can migrate as a citizen, I don't need to be tied to work. I just want don't want to be unemployed for a month or two.
 
I've heard it's extremely easy for anyone to become a citizen in Australia.
 
@Nathan I've witnessed that kind of behavior from employers first hand.
In the US...toward employees with Visas.
 
@jon3laze Yes, it's too bad.
 
9:33 PM
I don't like this talk >< I'm kinda chatting to a guy about getting a job in the US :(
 
@david just be aware that the system naturally trends that way.
 
What do you mean not like? Human rights abuse = sue company = rich
 
I'm not talking about abusing rights.
 
I guess human might be the wrong word.
But if the company lacks employee neutrality you can get them done.
 
It's all a market. Employers unfortunately don't need to compete as hard for work visa employees. Some make an effort to treat them fairly anyway, but some don't, and it's not always easy to prove unlawful discrimination.
Rampant age-based discrimination is probably a bigger deal though.
 
9:38 PM
What do you mean? Are younger employees preferred?
 
I've made a 2d demo to experiment with AI .. I want to implement flocking, but seems a bit excessive to check the position of all objects each frame to see who's close by ... ?
 
I had the same problem a while back, my naive "solution" was to create a 2d array (i called it grid) that represented sections of the whole 2d space. Then I only checked the 3x3 block around the grid the particle was in
 
@Raynos in some cases younger employees are preferred, partly because they're cheaper and will work more overtime. In some cases, older employees get paid more even if they aren't as qualified.
 
Basically, whenever a particle moves, check if it has moved out of its grid square, if it has, put it in the new square.
 
@david hmm, that sounds a nice method
 
9:49 PM
when you're looping through particles, only grab the ones from the 9 grid squares around the particle you're checking
 
@Greg define flocking
 
@Raynos collective motion of a large number of self-propelled entities
 
@Raynos: flocking: jsfiddle.net/ctrlfrk/hNaYu/30
 
@david i really like that example
 
(that doesn't have the grid though, it just does an n*n check)
 
9:50 PM
@david care to explain?
 
explain what?
 
@david now make it more efficient
 
@david can you explain how the n*n check works?
 
er, check every particle against every other one :D the slow way
i haven't tried to optimise that yet
 
Just see how optimised you can get it
 
9:53 PM
@david ah... well what I'm trying to make is a 2d copy of your jsfiddle ... for experimental purposes
 
I think canvas is slow :(
 
@Raynos not in chrome
 
this is the one with the grid, only problem is it is several years old, and programmed REALLY BADLY
 
still can't think of any good texts for my portfolio site -.-
 
9:54 PM
@Greg im running it in chrome 8
 
My first optimisation would be to use a 3d engine rather than coding one myself ><
 
@David what's a good one?
 
3d engine? no idea, i'd probably use three.js
 
10:09 PM
@david it lags too much
@IvoWetzel try > I am Ivo Wetzel ( Yes that's me ). Hire me
 
> "Ivo Wetzel is a crazy guy, I couldn't believe that's his real name! - Raynos, random chats of the interwebz"
 
I'd personally rather hire you then myself.
I really aught to join an OS project
one that isnt dev saturated
and interesting
 
@david do you check the n*n method every frame?
 
hell yeah!
 
10:24 PM
...
 
cool... I'm not gonna fret about doing it every frame as I'm doing it in 2d :)
 
@ircmaxell lol
 
-[,.]
 
@david let me confirm ... every 'boid' checks agains every other boid every frame???
 
10:35 PM
@Greg yes, I haven't done any optimising at all, it was not meant to be a flocking simulator, it was meant to be a test of 3d projection mathematics
the swarming and lasers were added in as an afterthought
 
@david cool, well its really good I love it
 
<3
 
@Greg optimisation fail. You should always optimise your algorithms o(n^2) is horrible
 
for small n o(n^2) can be faster than other methods that have high overhead
and there is also a very large helping of 'is it worth all the extra effort when the focus of this isn't related to the speed of the flocks?'
 
I'm somehow exhausted...
 
10:48 PM
coffee wearing off?
 
I don't drink coffee
(yes you can code without having a coffee addiction)
 
i don't drink it either
i drink red bull :D
 
No just writing that CV took really long... but well it was my first one
@david I don't drink that either
 
you must be some kind of freak!
actually that's probably your problem
if you got some random chemicals in you you wouldn't get exhausted writing your cv >.>
 
off topic: I find it really shocking how someone can study informatics and have a job while doing 0 programming at home...
 
10:53 PM
/me goes back to being tempted to drop out of uni and get a full-time job
 
as a java programmer? :P
 
Nah. Well, maybe partly :P
 
because that what a friend of mine is doing... he has like zero knowledge of nothing, but hey he's getting paid pretty well
it's always the same
either the slides are unreadable on googletechtalks
or the audio quality is bad :(
@gsnedders Android?
 
@IvoWetzel Nah, WebDriver
 
11:00 PM
Now, I have no sugar in my flat. This calls for an emergency 23:00 run to Tesco.
 
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teehooI've noticed that if I set the setTimeout for 1 minute in the future, and then change my system time to 5 minutes in the past, the setTimeout function will trigger in 6 minutes. The reason I did this is because I wanted to see what happens during a daylight savings change to the system clock. M...

 
@gsnedders are'nt you writing the opera javascript engine? I thought you were the head dev.
 
@Raynos Nah, I'm merely one of the lead QA for it.
@Raynos The amount of code I actually have in Opera is minimal
 
@gsnedders your in QA & a student?
 
11:05 PM
@Raynos Yes.
 

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