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12:49 AM
@TravisJ Done
 
1:22 AM
Hi all
 
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1:44 AM
hi
 
2:12 AM
@Baum as i think NATO is NATO Review is a magazine of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization that has been published for over 60 years. It was originally published in print by the Atlantic Council of the United States as the NATO Letter but is now produced electronically
 
came to ask if we could nominate people (thinking of Mister Skeet) ... I see I've been beaten to it
another suggestion would be @LightnessRacesInOrbit
 
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@WillCrawford people nominate themselves. Also the nomination period is finished
 
yes, that's kinda why I came to ask (I didn't know how the system works, as I have been more interested in answering questions ... :))
 
2:28 AM
where is live result of primary phase?
ok got it
 
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@WillCrawford that's cool :)
 
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@BaummitAugen I prefer ice cream voting
 
I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream.
 
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@GypsySpellweaver well hello hello hello
 
2:43 AM
Scarce, but always present. :)
 
3:26 AM
hello
how to cast my vote?
 
Rob
@Jamsheer We're in the primaries now. The top 10 candidates progress to the election in a few days. For now, you can vote up/down for every candidate on this page: stackoverflow.com/election/10
 
 
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Van
4:56 AM
Hello to all coders... Best wishes to all
 
5:07 AM
hello all,
All the Best to all the nominees?
so for normal users voting link will be open after 4 days right?
 
Rob
@ksl123 No, anyone with >=150 reputation can vote now for the primaries. The election opens in 4 days
You can vote once for each candidate (up or down). The top 10 then move onto the election
 
@Rob-Thank god i voted! So primary are internal elections?
 
Rob
@ksl123 No, the primaries are just to whittle down the number of candidates to 10. If there were 10 or fewer candidates who nominated themselves, it'd jump straight to the election
 
 
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6:41 AM
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Q: Is it responsible to open moderator voting up to know-nothings like me?

Kevin BealI have absolutely no business voting for moderators. I know almost nothing about any of these people and so would be likely basing my decision on arbitrary impressions like avatar, how similar they seem to me, cool factor, and other factors that have no clear relevance. I don't think that's beca...

 
6:51 AM
Hai
So , who is on the top ??
 
 
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8:15 AM
@AnzilkhaN hey
 
Having read through all the nominees’ profiles, I am a bit confused who to vote for. They will all bring in wealth of experience to the forum and I wish you all good luck.
 
It would be good if there was a badge for taking part in elections
 
Vote for the ones who you think are the best janitors, hence who you think will wake up every day taking out the trash.
@Leroy hmm probably we would only get a lot of nominations only for the badge...
 
8:32 AM
Vote for the ones you think are level headed - everything else can be learned
 
Hola. What is nato-questions?
 
@Sugar North Atlantic Treaty Organization :p
@Sugar it is new answers to old questions, refer to the comment here: stackapps.com/questions/7049/…
 
Oh, thanks
 
user3956566
8:55 AM
@PeterHaddad interesting.
 
user3956566
@JonWay if you have time, you can look at some of our activity - what we've posted on meta and on the main site. See if there's something you click with or like
 
user3956566
this is a graph of primary progress primaries.charcoal-se.org/vote_counts/graph
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user3956566
Can someone pin that please? ^^
 
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9:17 AM
@PeterHaddad I WILL HAVE A LOOK
 
OKAY, but you are referencing the wrong person
 
9:59 AM
WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
 
Hello All. I wish best of luck to the candidates.
 
who is best in this election suggest me please :D :P :)
Peoples will block or make too broad with out any reason the reason is only they didnot understand the question only . even peoples gave answer of this question
 
@Ahmad too broad, cannot answer
 
@Ahmad primarily opinion-based
 
10:24 AM
@YvetteColomb you are right, that's way cooler.
 
user3956566
10:55 AM
@Ahmad pick someone or people you like
 
11:09 AM
All the very best to the candidates
 
user3956566
@Code_Mode thanks.
 
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Night all
 
Nite! o/
@Code_Mode Thank you!
 
11:26 AM
@BrettDeWoody you are doing great in the election!
 
 
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12:27 PM
Hello
 
@MehulJariwala Hello
 
can you explain me what is this.?
 
An election for who gets to be a moderator, like meager above.
 
a chat room to discuss the election
 
Okay Thanks You Brothers..
 
12:56 PM
Live vote feed, also interesting to see next to the graph linked by @Undo.
 
@PeterHaddad thanks!
 
@Cerbrus this really nice graph, thank you!
 
1:36 PM
We're voting for 10 of the 14, correct?
 
@StuartSiegler Yeah, sort of. At the end of this round only 10 will be left, and after that we will vote for the top 3
 
i expected the vote to advance after selecting, and it didnt. Just checking. Thanks and good luck!
 
All the very best to all nominations and myself :)
 
me too
 
 
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3:17 PM
Damn I missed the beginning of primary. It's quite different from what I expected based on the questionnaire...
... did my "damn" get auto-flagged or something?
 
3:56 PM
In chat?
 
I don't think that gets autoflagged anywhere. But some people go around looking for flagabble messages.
 
I don't think anything gets autoflagged in chat.
 
nobody flagged it
 
was thinking of some bot like SmokeDetector. I always get suspicious when 3+ moderators, community managers and otherwise blue-named people join chat right after I say something.
 
Oh. Well, it was also 10 am for me, right when I get to work, and 8 am for the pacific coast... so probably just coincidence.
 
4:08 PM
I'm still working on that "I'm not the center of the universe" personality trait.
 
Maybe, instead, you should just move to Fremont, in Seattle.
 
hahaha. that sounds like just the place ;)
 
5:00 PM
is this for Stack Overflow along, or all of stack exchange?
 
stack overflow alone @TomH
 
I thought mods were automatic after a certain number of points... is this a super-mod?
or is there a different criteria for each stack exchange. serverfault seems to be 10000 points
 
@TomH Reputation gains you certain abilities to moderate the site
The election is for "diamond moderators" eg these people: stackoverflow.com/users?tab=moderators
The elected moderators have increased responsibility and moderation powers, and primarily handle flagged content
 
6:02 PM
Someone commented on my nomination but I can't read all the comment. It's not showing anywhere. Any way to read it?
 
You mean you can't see it even on the nomination tab? That's odd.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you have to switch to the nomination tab
but anyways.. the UX of the election page is not that good
 
thanks! how did I miss that. Good.
 
my vote us definitely for vaultah
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre that got me yesterday too. the nomination/primary/election tabs are sneaky.
 
6:33 PM
funny how there's a big pack of 4200-4400 votes, then a big drop to 1700: 4 other candidates in that zone.
 
@Jean​‑FrançoisFabre - Still got me by 200 ;)
 
@TravisJ: yeah. For the moment :)
 
yes very funny...
 
It's even funnier when you're ... Rob.
 
indeed... :p
;)
 
6:36 PM
It seems to me that in order to be a moderator you must let your account be used by a bot.
 
but his cat can still play with his mouse and click "withdraw" :)
 
Kind of unfortunate, but that is what games the numbers looked at during the elections.
 
(it's the worst I'm wishing him)
@TravisJ I don't get your point.
 
@Jean​‑FrançoisFabre - There is a botnet that most of the candidates are a part of which auto casts flags on bad content.
I don't really mind the outcome, it works really well. But if you do not allow the bot to do the work for you, you will not end up with excessively high flag counts.
Flag counts are one of the main metrics used in the election.
That's my point.
 
he has 4k flags, other candidates have more than that
 
6:46 PM
Ah SOBotics. We should enroll... Personally I think too much flagging kills the flagging. I have only 200 flags (yeah!) but I handled other situations with close votes (some binding thanks gold badges), downvotes, summon great SOCVR... flagging is really marginal.
<disgruntled>I thought moderators shouldn't be bots...</disgruntled>
 
it's fine if you lose
there is always next time :D
 
thanks Peter. I'll sure retry. ATM I can live with the moderation power I have.
 
yes it's fine, I'm sure you will survive
:p
 
I will! Now without those flags to handle as a non-mod, I'll dedicate to break the 100k barrier (on non-turd questions, that's the hardest part)
It's already great to get support from people you don't even know :)
(and side-votes as well...)
Baum got bashed turned down last year (or just few months ago). Now he really has his chances.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you're free to join and see what goes on. We don't just flag. We monitor poor questions, rude comments, vandalised posts, poor edits. We do a lot of moderating in different forms.
 
6:54 PM
Yeah, okay why not.
I like rude (opportunity to learn new words)
where's the form ? :)
 
I have 0 auto flags! I clicked for every single one by hand.
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No form required. Just an understanding.
 
@BaummitAugen respect.
@Bugs. Ok I understand then. Do you?
 
uuuuh isn't the "botnet that casts autoflags from users" charcoal rather than sobotics?
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My bot lives on another account, but it doesn't flag anyways.
 
6:56 PM
me made that up.
 
@AndrasDeak Yup, SOBotics only flags with the account Natty.
 
as long as there's decent amount of FUD during elections, it's fine I guess :P
just don't let them come here and take our moderation jobs
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yes
 
@BaummitAugen same
 
7:06 PM
@YvetteColomb yup thanks
 
user3956566
7:22 PM
morning people
 
Hi! o/
 
n'evening
 
user3956566
@TravisJ the majority of my flags have been manually cast and I've been with charcoal for a couple of years now. The auto-flagging accounts for a small percentage of my flags. It's been a matter of responding to smoke detector reports and going to the post and flagging - or using a script that can allow feedback from within the chat room itself. Often it will mean going to the post itself though to check it out.
 
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@AndrasDeak yep charcoal - smokedetector
 
thanks, that's what I thought :)
 
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7:28 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre no one running ir a bot. Many of us utilise bots to bring attention to things on the site, as a supplement to the networks' spamram
 
it's just that Travis' and Jean-François' passive-aggressive dismissals made it sound like the sobotics candidates were gaming the votes by using bots, which they don't even remotely do
 
Art has the count breakdown I would assume.
 
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@AndrasDeak it seems to me there's some misunderstanding about sobotics and smoke detector - they don't give people an "advantage" unless you put the time in to respond to the feedback of the bots. It takes time and effort.
 
@YvetteColomb - The bots cast flags for accounts which as signed up.
are*
 
@YvetteColomb If you have smokey autoflagging turned on, you get flags without doing anything.
 
7:30 PM
well there are autoflags in charcoal
 
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@TravisJ yes I know
 
@TravisJ No SOBotics bot does that.
 
user3956566
@Catija yes I know - the majority of my flags are not auto flags - I have over 12,000 flags network wide
 
@BaummitAugen - I didn't say SOBotics though, it is the Charcoal bot that does that.
 
user3956566
Most of these I raised myself
 
7:31 PM
but negative campaigning and mud slinging isn't exactly about factual correctness, eh?
 
an average charcoal user gets maybe 3 autoflags per week (on stackoverflow), that's like nothing..
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Mar 5 at 8:03, by ArtOfCode
Accounts in use:
Undo, ArtOfCode, Ferrybig, Yvette, Andrew T., MAR, ProgramFOX, Andy, Magisch, Ashish Ahuja, angussidney, ByteCommander, Kyll, FrankerZ, rene, John Dvorak, DavidPostill, KazWolfe, tripleee, QPaysTaxes, NobodyNada, dorukayhan, teward, DJMcMayhem, avery, Cerbrus, Glorfindel, nathan-osman, Floern, DraconicPenguin, Mithrandir, kevin-brown, Mego, J F, Jamal, caffeineaddiction, Riker, AdriaanV, Makyen, paulroub, Marco Borchert, Supreme Leader SnokeDetector, quartata, battery.cord, Mr. Bultitude, muddyfish, Jeutnarg, Amittai Shapira, Sconibulus, BCdotWEB, Nathan Arthur, Cᴏʀʏ, Legio
 
thanks, let me read that
wow, that's a lot of names
wonder what Jeremy Banks' autoflags do :P
 
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@TravisJ you're taking this out of context
 
Those are the accounts that have flags automatically used by the bot. How is that out of context?
 
7:33 PM
@YvetteColomb That doesn't mean that they don't autoflag or give some sort of advantage. If you're a core user, you're doing more flagging because the posts are being brought to you rather than sitting around on the site and noticing them... and then you get more autoflags. I don't think anyone's saying that Charcoal users get all of their flags from autoflagging... but we definitely get some.
 
well their point is that there are a few candidates who do cast autoflags, which is valid
 
@AndrasDeak Nothing. Mod accounts aren't used on sites they are a mod on
 
ah, nice, thanks
not surprising though :D
 
Will happily provide data if people want data
 
@ArtOfCode - How many total autoflags for accounts has the bot cast?
 
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7:35 PM
@Catija not at all - the autoflags are independent of your active use - they're random
 
@TravisJ as in broken down by account, or just overall total?
 
@YvetteColomb No. Core users get more autoflags. It's not completely random.
 
Hold on, I'm pulling data @ArtOfCode
 
Just overall total
 
We're of course also still on the premise that flag counts matter, which I personally don't believe. If anything, reviews are much more important than flags if I imagine the job of mods...
 
user3956566
7:36 PM
@TravisJ the implication that the autoflags are why we have such high helpful flag counts. That's from manual flagging
 
I am inclined to believe you.
 
but let it not be said that I move goalposts :P
 
Some data would help.
 
@TravisJ 83709
 
Yup and autoflags certainly don't count towards the majority
 
7:36 PM
Here's the full list, with counts:
 
descending sort please
 
it was nice while it lasted... ;)
 
lol
 
272	CalvT븃
250	MAR
225	doppelgreener
213	Ashish Ahuja
190	quartata
151	Ferrybig
125	Magisch
118	Mithrandir
98	ArtOfCode
96	NobodyNada
95	Kevin
95	Glorfindel
89	Yvette
79	Ajay Brahmakshatriya
79	iBug
75	Floern
75	JonasCz
72	MarkHim
72	7ochem
61	River
56	Cerbrus
51	J F
48	ByteCommander
45	angussidney
43	NVZ
41	DraconicPenguin
39	DavidPostill
39	Andy
38	QPaysTaxes
32	DJMcMayhem
32	cullub
26	rene
26	KazWolfe
26	Henders
25	Kyll
23	System
21	Mego
21	dorukayhan
18	user2284570
17	Maximilian Ast
17	ProgramFOX
 
user3956566
@Undo can you address how accounts are chosen for autoflagging please? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/41723608#41723608
 
7:37 PM
@Undo - You can't honestly tell me that is 83000 flags.
 
@TravisJ Limited to SO only
 
@Undo huh? Those numbers are low. I've got a couple thousand flags at least... or is that posts?
Oh, SO
 
Flags. Remember to filter to is_auto=1, @ArtOfCode
 
@Undo Number I pulled was straight off /flagging
 
SO is relatively tame in terms of actual spam.
 
7:39 PM
@ArtOfCode - So Undo's count is accurate?
 
yes
 
aye
 
Okay, well then I was out line, sorry.
I take it all back :P
 
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@TravisJ :)
 
Here's my own flagging history:
 
7:40 PM
So 2.1% of Yvette's helpful flags on SO are from a project she contributes to. No problems there.
 
cc @Jean-FrançoisFabre ^ for reference
(Assuming you shared the point of Travis, i.e. flag counts are artificial. That's how I read your messages; in case I was wrong ignore the above)
 
@AndrasDeak - It seemed like there was a more significant amount than a few thousand total.
Which is rather minor.
 
and if you distribute that to a score of users, it's even less
 
Right
 
now I can safely argue that flag counts shouldn't be all that relevant anyway :P
 
7:44 PM
In my opinion, they are though. Flagging takes time, so it is good that there isn't any artificial inflation of them.
 
Sort-of relevant data: Most autoflaggers have a 0.2% chance of flagging any given spam post. Core users (people who contribute in a significant way to Charcoal) have about a 6.7% chance.
 
@TravisJ it's relevant from a "this user did a lot of moderation" perspective, but irrelevant from the "this is what they'll be doing as a mod" perspective. At least my impression is that the bulk of mod work is handling flags in queues, so reviews >> flags raised
 
So...other side of the argument...why shouldn't moderators use automated tooling to help? I ran explicitly on that. I'd love more API end points that let me make moderation easier.
 
Moderator-worthiness is pretty hard to tell from flag count alone. Some people flag gazillions of comments, some flag gazillions of voting fraud cases (grr @Magisch). They're not equal.
 
It's hard to make autoflags a selling point for a mod candidate when mods explicitly don't cast autoflags
 
7:50 PM
@Andy - Yeah, but you were kind of an exception. I liked the work you did and thought the automation, which you have been upfront about for a long time on meta, really worked well.
@AndrasDeak I agree with that, it is just a metric, not the end all be all.
 
Thanks for the stats @Undo. Surprisingly I only have a single autoflag on SO only after a year of participation on Charcoal
 
Sounds about right
SO is a low-volume (ish) spam site, non-core autoflags are increasingly rare.
 
@SamuelLiew you should put more effort into it as a mod candidate ;)
 
I would if I could've
 
Use a bot
 
7:52 PM
So who is going to be the first to automate a review bot? :P
 
I was thinking of writing a suspension bot and run it after the next election ...
 
Is it a bot that gets suspended?
 
That might be one of the results, yes
 
also: rene's mod nomination confirmed!
 
Finally!
 
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7:55 PM
@rene LOLOL
 
user3956566
@rene a suspension bot? what do you mean
 
not going to explain my evil plan
 
user3956566
awwww I love your evil plans
 
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8:11 PM
@Undo I'll take that as a compliment
 
@TravisJ someone may or may not have done that already.
 
@WELZ - I mean, reviewing a close vote where there are already 4 votes is kind of a cake walk.
 
user3956566
@TravisJ there's scripts in socvr repo and sobiotics to show you the number of cvs on a question and you can query by number of close cotes
 
Yup, I've seen them
 
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8:26 PM
 
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This is the results of last primary election
 
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8:46 PM
@TravisJ why do say that?, you like your cv to age away in queue?, review what you know you will have an impact on.
 
@PetterFriberg - That was in reference to a suggestion that someone automated reviewing. In other words, automating casting a fifth close vote would probably be a pretty safe bet.
 
there are so many votes aging away.. and trust me it not because question should not be closed, the problem is that there are to few reviewers
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I think @TravisJ is agreeing with you
 
@TravisJ aah ok, yeah that is a bad idea
 
I am well aware of the close vote aging issue though. There have probably been millions of wasted close votes.
 
8:48 PM
@TravisJ As someone who reviewed some 100s or maybe 1000s of that sort I can say the bet is not nearly as safe as one would think.
 
Before the metas split, there was a constant debate going on about how to best handle the close vote queue.
 
At least by the metrics I use for closing questions.
 
Yeah but casting auto cv seems like something mods should suspend you for doing.
 
It was mostly conjecture. Perhaps you should ask the person who did or did not automate handling the review queue.
 
@TravisJ by now I think we more or less have give up :(, SE has never really seemed to care about that issue, my guess is that they count more on dv
 
user3956566
8:51 PM
the close queue is difficult
 
user3956566
to solve
 
Needs more weighted votes.
 
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@PetterFriberg yep I am not dedicated the way I used to be on the close queue
 
baah most queue's you solve by lowering peeps need for review... there are tons of FR
 
Main problem might be that what's off-topic is not as clearly well defined as say what's a NAA.
 
8:53 PM
@TravisJ probably not enough lower to 3 peeps stuff like that or just remove it :)
we don't close.. we dv and then delete what is bad :)
 
Esp. Too Broad seems to have wildly different interpretations between users, but it applies to Typos and MCVE, too.
 
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@BaummitAugen true and there's a lot of technologies and people are better trying to stick to the technologies they know when reviewing imo
 
@BaummitAugen I never use Too Broad only Unclear..
 
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@PetterFriberg I use too broad when the users either asks too many questions, or requires the code to be written for them
 
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the latter is more a shows no effort
 
8:55 PM
@YvetteColomb Esp considering what's too broad and what isn't also differs between tags.
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah the second is a common interpretation that I don't like, since the question still can be interesting hence answer useful for future users. I kind of like questions "How do I do this?"... if a good answer can fit in page
 
Some fairly well-received Python stuff might be received extremely poorly in C++, as an example; probably because the latter does not have as much built-in functionality.
 
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@BaummitAugen exactly and there can be some questions that are ok for a technology - it may be querying a change in the api - if people don't use that technology - they can think it's asking for an outside resource, or too broad
 
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@PetterFriberg things that require a small code snippet are ok - it's the larger questions. I want to send push notifications and build a database and make a connection can you show me how to do it?
 
@YvetteColomb unclear :) "What is your actual problem?"
I manage well to "almost" never vote too broad
 
9:00 PM
The problem is clear though, and well defined.
 
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@BaummitAugen there's a lot of android stuff that gets hammered when burninating tags, which can still be quite useful to keep on the site. Mind you, as the sdks keep changing - nothing hangs around in that tag for too long.
 
To be honest, a 30,000 character answer could probably solve that problem.
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg true true - I won your argument for you :)
 
user3956566
it's been great to chat.. I'll bbl \o
 
@TravisJ meeh it's unclear where exactly OP has the problem and also how much he knows about the issue, what db should be used... etc...
@YvetteColomb cya
 
9:02 PM
@YvetteColomb o/
 
@TravisJ do you know about someone doing this?
 
@PetterFriberg If you scroll up like two messages prior to the comment you first responded to
 
hmm yeah only speculation
@TravisJ Have you heard if there is some follow-up after the mentoring stuff? or did it just die?
 
Good question. I think there is a follow up, in the form of the facelift that the ask question interface will get. Not sure on what the status of that project is though.
 
ok, yeah I guess it's all on teams now...
 
9:38 PM
@AndrasDeak forget it, I just followed blindly. Losers talk :)
thanks for clarifying
 
not buying it, but OK :P ;)
and the fat lady's still singing
 
I wonder how to raise that many flags, though. Or iare there tags where they insult people more?
 
NAA and VLQ are also flags
 
You review a lot of posts.
That part is indeed bot assisted, at least for me.
 
about that, the notion of "answer" isn't a clear matter for all of us. I see flags on actual answers. A pity we can't know if the flag was auto (as Baum said) or manual.
 
9:41 PM
manual :P
 
I mean there are heuristics (FireAlarm, SmokeAlarm) but are there real auto flags directly in StackOverflow system?
 
as far as I know auto-flags are only raised by a single bot on posts that are very very very very (like, very) likely to be NAA, and in-chat notifications allow a bunch of users to verify a posteriori
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you mean built-in non-community autoflags?
 
yes. Something like detecting dddddddddddddddddddddddddd and flagging for the VLQ, without need for human flagging.
But....
 
I don't think there is one, but I'm not very savvy when it comes to these internals
wait, there was a post by Chris F(?) when he was fed up by duplicate flags
 
maybe you're all bots flagging manually.
 
9:44 PM
There are some automatic moderator flags, but not many
 
Things like more than X answers in Y days or more than Z comments
Closed without comment, on beta sites
There's also an automatic low-quality flag, but that also throws the post into review
 
very nice explanation on meta. thx
 
Not many... unless you're on SO
(like many things)
 
You missed a line...
 
9:47 PM
going for the auto ones
 
oh. carry on then
 
mod fiiight
?nd? fight ;)
even the consonants/vowel patterns match, half-life 3 confirmed
 
don't shoot one another. Can't afford another election now
time to change username to "Ende"
Seems that the election results are settling. Not so many votes now.
 
*primary results
 
yep primary. It's getting late.
 
10:00 PM
and this is also a twilight zone where EU/US people are trailing off and Asia/Australia isn't awake yet, right?
 
I think no so many users think elections are important
 
US is still middle of the afternoon. 2300 in most of Europe.
 
I don't know how many humps the graphs usually have
 
midnight here
 
Australia is awake if europe is sleeping.
 
10:01 PM
@ArtOfCode I'm sort of aware of that, but when it's getting late here (Europe), the US guys usually also disappear. I blame commute
 
 
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11:41 PM
Hey what's up?
 
Not much, it's night in Europe, so no one chats. :)
 
silly Europeans
 
@BaummitAugen Is that to imply that only the users from Europe will chat when there's nothing to say? Or that only the users from Europe have anything to say?
 
@GypsySpellweaver I just observed that no one is chatting. Finding the cause for that might require further research. ;)
 
11:46 PM
Research seems to be one of the specialties of ArtOfCode. Esp. in matters SE.
 

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