« first day (441 days earlier)      last day (1540 days later) » 

Rob
Rob
03:00
Language version, framework version and VS versions are already a mess :(
I'm looking forward to .NET Standard 2.1, which will be implemented by .NET Core 3.0, but not by what I suppose we should now call "legacy" .NET :/
Rob
Rob
Heh, at least we haven't got the 'Angular' problem... yet..
and let's not forget the C# 8 concrete interface implementations which won't be available to .NET either. tl;dr it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Rob
Rob
Not sold on concrete interface defaults..
Smells an awful like trying to support diamond inheritance with abstract classes
03:20
I have some nasty code which involves interfaces, extension methods and an unforgivable amount of generics (it's a long story) which could be tidied up somewhat with that feature but it won't be available to me as it's .NET. I imagine the intended audience (library devs) will avoid it too at least until .NET is truly considered dead. So a feature I was quite looking forward to I'm now "meh" about.
....and in effect, yes, multiple inheritance is pretty much exactly what it is. Likely to confuse the hell out of junior devs I would imagine (not that that ever stops me ;))
Rob
Rob
What does it let you do that an extension method couldn't?
nothing
actually I think properties can be defined too?
but in terms of end result, nothing, so no great loss. the code I have does its job very well, I just wouldn't want to publish it on GitHub :)
Rob
Rob
Extension properties were proposed, but never got pushed through
But yeah, there have been a few changes to c# I'm not sold on, all of which were made after Eric left
concrete properties in interfaces, I mean. I'm not sure if that made it into the C# 8 proposal as I lost interest when I learnt it would require Standard 2.1 and that .NET would never support that.
Rob
Rob
I suspect they should be supported? They're just methods after all. But what I meant was that extension properties would have fixed that if they were implemented :)
03:27
any change in particular you didn't approve of?
ah I see.
I'm not off to a good start with Preview 5. First I had a fatal error and had to reboot, now a System.MissingMethodException.
Rob
Rob
Well, a lot of the features are very... 'meh', and it doesn't look like they're going by the "start with -100 points" for new features anymore
Like... tuple syntax is cool. Except it's a huge hack to existing tuples
Local functions... again, nice to have in super specific scenarios (like generators), but maybe not useful enough to include
I like those. I agree the latter probably wasn't worth the investment but I make use of the feature. I'm really not sold on the forthcoming new concise switch syntax. Seems to me harder to read with no great benefit. Anyway: I should think about going to bed!
morning @Shree o/
\o
Rob
Rob
Night!
 
10 hours later…
13:16
wow
featured burn got -33 votes o-o
 
2 hours later…
15:17
@double-beep it happens sometimes. It's not a bad thing, just means the tag is actually useful and shouldn't be burninated
 
3 hours later…
18:30
The burnination of is now being discussed. Meta post. Observation room.
why didn't rodgort report the [bioinformatics] tag decline? (cc @Rob)
because CG did it?
eh, I don't have a monopoly over burninations. Any mod can do it..
rodgort likes you
18:38
or perhaps it is waiting for the 36 hrs deadline which surprisingly was set by Cody ;p
Should we consider featuring more than one at a time? While it does dilute attention a bit, it seems like during the periods when there's not much else featured we could probably do two, either two that have a relatively small number of questions, or at least one we expect will be rejected.
We initially had a 24hr wait period
That's a good point to consider during the regroup session..
We can probably add a comment on the Sheet "possible [status-declined]"
@Makyen good idea, however actually depends in the CB. It was impossible these days, since there were lots of posts featured. The only burns that I saw happened in parallel were [music] and [order], but they weren't featured at the same time.
No two phase 2~3~4s happen at the same time
[music] was in phase 5, when [order] was in 4.
The problem with a specific wait period is that any specified number of hours really doesn't account for the difference in site traffic between weekdays and weekends, unless it's specified as a multiple day period.
I'd say that it's more important to leave something up that looks like it's going to be approved, rather than ones which are heading towards a decline. IMO, our real goal in featuring is to get the attention of people that might have differing views, but particularly views that the tag has value and should be saved. If we can make an early decision that a tag shouldn't be burninated, I'd consider that a good thing.
18:46
I'm not much a fan of strict timelines either, but I follow that just in case some one pokes back telling that I didn't leave it for a full 36hrs.
u were the bad guy who didn't leave the burn 36 hrs featured? oh, wait that is another mod <-- something like that? :P
Jan 22 at 16:54, by TylerH
@BhargavRao Er, is 24 hours the right time to wait before declining a burnination after an answer has been posted?
that was featured for 35 hrs...
I mean Cody changed it himself and he failed to follow it ... so I don't think it's a big deal
he can always just roll back his changes ;p
lemme just poke him in the mod room, so that it shouldn't be like we're talking behind his back or sth like that
he just wasn't aware of that?
I don't think he monitors all rooms
So he def wouldn't be aware
anyway, I pinged him
wouldn't matter much ...
worse case he can kick me from the room ... oh wait he can't :D
I can understand a concern over leaving it up for a minimum amount of time, but, at least for me, that's to have a higher probability that people who might care about keeping the tag actually see the notice. After all, we can always revisit a tag which was declined. It's a lot harder to deal with restoring a tag that was inappropriately burned. Overall, I think at least 36 hours is a minimum target for something that's headed for an approved burn.
I'd also support trying to directly contact the top 5, or so, users in each tag to ask for their input.
18:54
Oh, I'd definitely need that.
I knew zx so I pinged him, and he posted it in the bioinformatics channel
Doesn't work for the other tags
Yeah, there's a lot of tags which are up for burnination where contacting the top users will be ineffective, but for those where it's effective, it's quite beneficial.
Stuff like [hiding] for example
Anyway, time to have food .. \o
can eat leisurely now, given that the next burn is already up ;p
:-)
There wasn't any point in leaving that burninate request featured for longer. Nothing was going to change the declined status it was about to receive.
The purpose of leaving it featured for a full 36 hours is to ensure that we don't inadvertently burninate useful tags, before the concerned experts have a chance to see it and weigh in.
Makyen already mentioned this.
It's more designed to avoid false positives than to avoid false negatives.
Aside from that, it was abundantly clear to me, both in my modatorial judgment (I made that word up, but surprisingly, no red squiggles) and in my knowledge of the relevant field, that the [bioinformatics] tag should stay.
19:09
nej
leaving it [featured] for some 1hour more won't hurt anyone
the consensus was clear within 24 hrs, though
Right, the consensus was quite clear.
I handled a couple of comment flags that brought it to my attention, so I just decided to put it out of its misery.
@Makyen I don't think that's a good idea... Burninations are a lot of work, and they're already quite exhausting to the community, to the point that people who do have a vested interest in a tag won't even speak up to defend it. That's a whole other problem, of course, and one that I don't know of an easy solution for (without dev work to change the tooling surrounding tags), but I definitely want to avoid making it worse by trying to take on too much at a time.
Bhargav has a plan always IMO
;p
Yeah. I do a lot of planning, too.
19:30
@CodyGray I agree burns are lots of work. Participation in discussion is certainly a concern. I definitely don't want to burn out the people who are stakeholders in a tag to the point they don't participate. I also agree that having a random selection of tags featured or in phase 4 at the same time would be a really bad idea. However, it feels like there's potentially room to have two reasonably selected tags (e.g. not two large tags likely to be approved) overlapping their featured time.
Mostly what I was envisioning is more rapidly disposing of tags that are likely to be declined. This could also be handled by just making the choice that a burnination should be declined without going through the featuring step.
19:48
Yeah, I don’t see the point in featuring edge cases. One of the primary burnination criteria is that the tag needs to be doing more harm than good. If that prima facie burden of proof isn’t met, I’m inclined to just decline the burn and move on. There’s no shortage of other proposals to focus on.
I already had a bit of an argument with Bhargav about why he even bothered to feature [bioinformatics]. I would have declined that one without featuring. Maybe he’s less of a tyrant than I am. :-)
I think there’s too much tendency to get caught up in the hype of burnination. That’s a very significant general concern of mine, and another reason why I think trying to do too much at a time is risky. People want to feel like they’re doing something, and it’s all to easy to say, yeah, this tag sucks, burn it, with only superficial consideration.
20:17
Notice Removed In-Progress wallOfMessages-competition

« first day (441 days earlier)      last day (1540 days later) »