and let's not forget the C# 8 concrete interface implementations which won't be available to .NET either. tl;dr it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
I have some nasty code which involves interfaces, extension methods and an unforgivable amount of generics (it's a long story) which could be tidied up somewhat with that feature but it won't be available to me as it's .NET. I imagine the intended audience (library devs) will avoid it too at least until .NET is truly considered dead. So a feature I was quite looking forward to I'm now "meh" about.
....and in effect, yes, multiple inheritance is pretty much exactly what it is. Likely to confuse the hell out of junior devs I would imagine (not that that ever stops me ;))
concrete properties in interfaces, I mean. I'm not sure if that made it into the C# 8 proposal as I lost interest when I learnt it would require Standard 2.1 and that .NET would never support that.
I suspect they should be supported? They're just methods after all. But what I meant was that extension properties would have fixed that if they were implemented :)
I like those. I agree the latter probably wasn't worth the investment but I make use of the feature. I'm really not sold on the forthcoming new concise switch syntax. Seems to me harder to read with no great benefit. Anyway: I should think about going to bed!
Should we consider featuring more than one at a time? While it does dilute attention a bit, it seems like during the periods when there's not much else featured we could probably do two, either two that have a relatively small number of questions, or at least one we expect will be rejected.
@Makyen good idea, however actually depends in the CB. It was impossible these days, since there were lots of posts featured. The only burns that I saw happened in parallel were [music] and [order], but they weren't featured at the same time.
The problem with a specific wait period is that any specified number of hours really doesn't account for the difference in site traffic between weekdays and weekends, unless it's specified as a multiple day period.
I'd say that it's more important to leave something up that looks like it's going to be approved, rather than ones which are heading towards a decline. IMO, our real goal in featuring is to get the attention of people that might have differing views, but particularly views that the tag has value and should be saved. If we can make an early decision that a tag shouldn't be burninated, I'd consider that a good thing.
I can understand a concern over leaving it up for a minimum amount of time, but, at least for me, that's to have a higher probability that people who might care about keeping the tag actually see the notice. After all, we can always revisit a tag which was declined. It's a lot harder to deal with restoring a tag that was inappropriately burned. Overall, I think at least 36 hours is a minimum target for something that's headed for an approved burn.
I'd also support trying to directly contact the top 5, or so, users in each tag to ask for their input.
Yeah, there's a lot of tags which are up for burnination where contacting the top users will be ineffective, but for those where it's effective, it's quite beneficial.
There wasn't any point in leaving that burninate request featured for longer. Nothing was going to change the declined status it was about to receive.
The purpose of leaving it featured for a full 36 hours is to ensure that we don't inadvertently burninate useful tags, before the concerned experts have a chance to see it and weigh in.
Makyen already mentioned this.
It's more designed to avoid false positives than to avoid false negatives.
Aside from that, it was abundantly clear to me, both in my modatorial judgment (I made that word up, but surprisingly, no red squiggles) and in my knowledge of the relevant field, that the [bioinformatics] tag should stay.
I handled a couple of comment flags that brought it to my attention, so I just decided to put it out of its misery.
@Makyen I don't think that's a good idea... Burninations are a lot of work, and they're already quite exhausting to the community, to the point that people who do have a vested interest in a tag won't even speak up to defend it. That's a whole other problem, of course, and one that I don't know of an easy solution for (without dev work to change the tooling surrounding tags), but I definitely want to avoid making it worse by trying to take on too much at a time.
@CodyGray I agree burns are lots of work. Participation in discussion is certainly a concern. I definitely don't want to burn out the people who are stakeholders in a tag to the point they don't participate. I also agree that having a random selection of tags featured or in phase 4 at the same time would be a really bad idea. However, it feels like there's potentially room to have two reasonably selected tags (e.g. not two large tags likely to be approved) overlapping their featured time.
Mostly what I was envisioning is more rapidly disposing of tags that are likely to be declined. This could also be handled by just making the choice that a burnination should be declined without going through the featuring step.
Yeah, I don’t see the point in featuring edge cases. One of the primary burnination criteria is that the tag needs to be doing more harm than good. If that prima facie burden of proof isn’t met, I’m inclined to just decline the burn and move on. There’s no shortage of other proposals to focus on.
I already had a bit of an argument with Bhargav about why he even bothered to feature [bioinformatics]. I would have declined that one without featuring. Maybe he’s less of a tyrant than I am. :-)
I think there’s too much tendency to get caught up in the hype of burnination. That’s a very significant general concern of mine, and another reason why I think trying to do too much at a time is risky. People want to feel like they’re doing something, and it’s all to easy to say, yeah, this tag sucks, burn it, with only superficial consideration.