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one who performed ritual for your evolution into human is to be blamed, minor details should not be missed in such delicate matters
 
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05:55
@DaveS, @Mauker, @Pochmurnik, @Graeme, @ballBreaker, @Jordy, @WarrenFaith, @grrigore, @Reno, @Code-Apprentice This is your weekly reminder of New Free Games on Epic Store!!!!!!! :D
@bluetoothfx, @FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier, @asim, @qki This is your weekly reminder of New Free Games on Epic Store!!!!!!! :D
qki
qki
06:09
thanks Womps!
morning
thanks womper
qki
qki
whats up with you? I've rarely see you here thesedays
mornin grig
how's doggo?
06:48
I don't have time to come in here in the morning TT^TT
and lately i'm barely at the computer after work so.... no time for chat TT^TT
 
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08:46
o/
@W0MP3R wompah don't like us peasants anymore
09:01
I thought Womper was a bot that reminds people of Epic games
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LOL
btw, that Demon's Tilt pinball game that was free on Epic recently is AWESOME
09:18
xD
Perhaps she is. I've never seen a womper in the wild, have you?
09:29
wtf, I just noticed in the design changes I got there's a dialog with a cancel button on the left and start button on the right, then after pressing start there is a confirmation dialog with yes on the left and then no on the right
This is bad right?
dammit I want to correct it but just noticed the rest of the app has yes on the left and no on the right
Tim
Tim
it's only bad if you care
I might be the only one who cares
Another question, when our app has a partial dark mode (changes background and text color), should popups also become dark?
Tim
Tim
ask your designer :P
we don't have a designer. We have someone who makes requirements and me who develops the app. It's up to me to give them the correct input on platform standards.
Tim
Tim
that's bonkers
09:43
small company :D we kicked out our previous development partner they used for 3 years or so because it was one person doing mobile, backend, unity, and come device connection stuff. I don't blame him but he clearly wasn't an expert in either
Tim
Tim
few people are good at multiple things
hence design is usually done by designers
yeah that's true, I've been doing backend, frontend and mobile and I suck in all of them
At least I do only Android right now
Tim
Tim
I used to be like that, solo developer in a mini company
doing everything and not able to specialize
hello
Tim
Tim
greetings
09:55
designer only design for one screen and for ios
so same shit
how's it going tim?
is the house finished?
Tim
Tim
I work at a huge company and we also do iOS only designs
what do you mean for one screen?
and perfect screen right?
Tim
Tim
no but closing in, kitchen delivered some time today, monday they install it
some painting after
then kinda done
just got some furniture from ikea
is the house in a neighborhood? like all houses?
gotta picture it
Tim
Tim
09:58
yeah new neighborhood
only rich people live here
no plebians
nice
I also want to move into a house sometime
Good luck on the house stuff!
I meant the kitchen and the furniture but also applies to "I also want to move into a house sometime"
haha
thanks
We're in the process of almost starting to save up for it
Tim
Tim
44/100 memo to me
10:07
44/100?
well good luck to you too miva
there are some subreddits that you might find useful
if you need other people input
10:39
timpul trece leafa merge
qki
qki
the house market is so fxcked up in my country rn
also mortgages are so expensive nowadays, it's nuts
everything is expensive. why do I live here?
we don't know
qki
qki
me neither
and nice one Tim, you won't have to see the plebians no more
hanging out with your rich friends, sipping whiskey
Tim
Tim
10:54
innit
 
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12:25
nerds
com.google.firebase.auth.FirebaseAuthInvalidCredentialsException: The custom token corresponds to a different audience.
I'm dealing with this one
I guess it's related to changing the project
but I don't get why
Tim
Tim
changing the what
application id?
well I had a firebase project
and the app had a different application id, yes
now I have another firebase project with the new app id
Tim
Tim
hmm
packagename and app ids are different now
Tim
Tim
it seems like you're a new audience
12:28
and the project is different too
time to invalidate caches and restart
hi everyone
Time to go~~
Have a nice weekend everyone!!!! :D
you too womp
well tim
i think it worked now
Tim
Tim
nice
13:34
@grrigore it means you need to change the target audience for your app
(I'm joking, I don't know anything about firebase)
13:53
₷öū₱
14:08
o/
@qki same T_T
14:47
@ballBreaker lmao this is epic
hahahaha
... also shoot, I was super excited for the warhammer free game but now I missed it :(
yeah that was a pretty hilarious moment, totally ruined the heaviness of the message I was trying to send lmfao, but it was also just totally me
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier damnnnnn well I've seen that one go on sale tons of times
o/ morning
@ballBreaker :) well, it's ok, on another hand, I have literal dozens of high grade games I need to get to
\o
14:58
hehe yeah makes sense
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier did u see my painted warhammer guy
24 hours ago, by ballBreaker
I finished painting my first guy yesterday, I'm so proud of myself
@ballBreaker I had not, this is gorgeous, grats!
15:20
thank you :D
only 9 of them left
to paint
lolol
Tim
Tim
why paint guys if you can paint girls
some of them are girls!!
there's one model, and I opened up her arms on purpose to reveal her true weapons
(her heart and the power of love)
15:35
when I learned zbrush for 3d character modeling it unleashed my inner artist, I was surprised myself of my creativity
nice :D
my coworkers would gather round my work bench and suggest things, thats how I got caught once but was still appreciated xD
hehehehe xD
also made a tiger that looked great but it would appear to be smiling, spent days trying to make it look ferocious but it either looked laughing or smiling, thats when I decided I will stick to programming and art is not my cup of tea
16:04
lolol well laughing tiger smitten dragon
16:22
political situation is very intense and taking twists every min from past few days in my country
opposition started buying members of ruling party with money (have clear video evidence) and filed no confidence motion against prime minister
few days before voting on no confidence motion, prime minister waved a letter in front of huge gathering of millions saying its proof that this no confidence motion is foreign funded
on day of voting, speaker rejected no confidence motion against the law, then president dissolved national assembly
now supreme court has reversed all those decisions and tomorrow is again voting day
the letter that prime minister mentioned, has partially made public is threatening letter (document of a meeting of officials) by USA that if no confidence motion fails against prime minister imran khan, there will be serious consequences
lol
fk pakistan
its a joke of a democratic state
i am against democracy, its designed to serve rich, powerful and corrupt
dictatorship is not that baddddd
yup, its actually great
16:39
if USA gives me an Abrams tank, I am gonna work for them
every man has his price, that's mine
... whereas dictatorships are designed to serve the people, right /s
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier many times more than democracy
I have lived through a dictatorship, I can certainly tell you it was better than now XD
agreed
16:42
... this is not a discussion I will continue. I think it's best I ignore both of you.
have you experienced a dictatorship?
it's great, you get free yogurts
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier USA just threatened my country, buying elected with money and attempting a forced regime change, why should I hail that democracy that can't stand against that?
What's your price? @asim
If USA bribed you, what would be your price?
an icbm with nukes attached so I can threaten countries with it
but everybody has nukes these days
its like ferraris but for everyone
so theres no bling bling left in it anymore
16:51
a cargo ship filled with hardware/equipment of latest tech like computers phones printers microcontrollers cameras etc
^ one of the many reasons usa want imran khan removed from office
visit to russia that was planned many months before the russian invasion, started the night imran khan landed in russia is another reason
ssshh
its for democracy and freedom
don't question their motives
I like how there's an emoji to show your support to Russian troops lol
17:21
I GOT THE INTERNSHIP AT CLOUDFLARE 🤩🥳
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wooohoooo
finally we will have an insider to help us deface websites, yeaahhh
@JBis CONGRATS! That's huge!
thank you!!
@Tim Wha?
@Tim I'd eat Taylor Swift yeah, probably low in fat, high in some good nutrients - and I bet she's got a selection of really helpful pharmaceuticals in her system too - I heard Cambridge researches just managed to de-age a womans skin cells recently, she'll probably in line for that
17:44
@JBis CONTRATZ MAN
@TaseerAhmad I think the issue is that it depends entirely on the dictator. Obviously a dictator COULD have really great intentions, that just doesn't ever seem to be the case. lol
@JBis That's awesome. Now you just need to quickly rise through the ranks and fire the sketchy dude that didn't like you. lol
@asim I mean.... a laughing tiger does sound like some pretty great art. Just sayin...
18:02
@JBis hah I fucking knew it
congrats man!
Howdy anyone familiar with the Android/Chrome OS code base?
Does anyone else have AirPods? I swear the quality of the noise-cancelling keeps changing. Do they push updates to these things?
I do not have the time right now but I have found a bug that I would like to pay someone to fix
I have tried upwork before and it is horrid typically
How much are you paying?!
@twiz hehe
18:04
Isn't there some site specifically for paying open source contributors like that?
@ballBreaker you were right. thanks for the reassurance
is there an open source site
didn't know that
@asim I think u missed the part where he said he was gonna ignore you guys lmao
@JBis So glad I was right!! Congrats dude, much deserved ^^
@Lime I remember randomly stumbling across something like that years ago. I don't really know much about it though.
I can't believe they were so sneaky about it lmfao
18:06
Do you guys agree with this ranking systems:
* Juniors are able to find and fix defects, when given support of where to look and what the problem might be
* Intermediates can find problems and suggest fixes
* Seniors can find problems and fix things using their own judgement
@ballBreaker its democratic chat, he must listen to opposition he can't just ignore its against the constitution
thats not how democracies work lmao
that sounds like a dictatorship bro
@Graeme I'm not sure how much time the bug requires. In fact I am not even really certain where to publish android apps bugs on Chrome OS.
In my experience, its more like:
* Juniors: people who don't realize they're underpaid.
* Intermediate: Company wanted to give them hope of a real promotion.
* Senior: Sits through meetings so the other devs don't have to.
Senior developers cost around $100/h
18:08
@Graeme very simplistic but more-or-less yea
I have tried the following link crosbug.com
I'd argue intermediates can find problems and fix things using their own judgement as well, and seniors are able to find issues before they become problems and proactively implement solutions with little to no guidance
but its hard to summarize this in one line each hehe
It really depends on the company.
side /* Google keeps changing their IME APIs for extensions */
yeah definitely
18:12
Because seriously, in a lot of companies, senior devs aren't even doing much dev work in at their job. Obviously they need knowledge/experience, but it's mostly just a management possition.
like Google's own extensions don't work currently github.com/google/extra-keyboards-for-chrome-os
depends how far up the hierarchy the company goes
there is typically 'staff developer' and 'principal developer' as well
which is what I would argue is more what you're talking about for seniors
Enormous companies probably do more like what @Graeme said though. Just a guess, but I assume Google has enough people that they can have senior devs that only do dev work. Then just have another position for the management stuff.
heh. I'm a senior dev and am very glad that development is actually the major part of my workload counts his blessings
18:14
I don't think I've ever even heard the term "staff developer". What's that?
@Graeme do you have a Chromebook otherwise I think it will be fairly difficult to diagnosis the problem?
also @JBis massive congratulations! It's a real pleasure watching you these past years, going from bigger project to bigger project
@twiz it's basically the level above senior
junior: doesnt know shit
intermediate: knows most shit
senior: knows almost all the shit
staff: knows all the shit and makes decisions on the shit
principal: god-tier at knowing shit and what they say, goes
something like that lmao
18:18
I'd bet that seniors actually tend to have the most in depth knowledge though.
but the main difference from my understanding, is the difference from senior -> staff is that staff developers also know an extensive amount of systems OUTSIDE of their job duties directly, so they can interface between different technical teams
Just because of the nature of the jobs.
where as seniors are more specific for their stack
Yeah, that's true. Not so much about who knows more or less, just that their focuses are different.
yeah exactly
18:19
interesting. it's nice to see an insight into larger companies. I've never worked in huge (1000+) teams
imagine the pipeline to land a line of code in primary branch at Microsoft
@ballBreaker @FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier thank you so much
😁
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier me neither. I'm completely guessing on that. It's just logical that a person that spends all day in meetings probably isn't the most knowledgable of the codebase.
which is also true in smaller companies
ok. I'm going to go not be distracted now. o/
18:21
@twiz at that point though you're more of an architect than a developer
so its not really the same, thats kind of apples and oranges comparisons in some aspects, but I do agree with you
depends onthe company fo sho
and \o
@ballBreaker I guess it depends, but if you're dealing with various systems, you probably have to coordinate with various teams.
I'm not sure how you can really avoid a lot of meetings.
but anyway.... o/ lol
it's kinda fun in a "end of the world" kinda way that universally our field hates meetings
@twiz yaa this is true, I guess that's when you have to start breaking out new roles specifically to delegate meetings etc
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier lmao yeah
nerds hate to socialize, what's new xD
@Lime Oh, I'm not saying I could help, I'm just pointing out that you should give up asking if you're not willing to pay $100/h for the help
yeah that's a fair point, although twiz is right sometimes people are go on open source projects which is why there was a site. Correction he didn't say nicer
I have to walk our dog...give me a minute
heh, apologies, didn't want to make you overthink that
happy dog walk
18:47
is called lime... yet looks like a lemon
hmm.. curious
It's a lime i changed the color to yellow actually
okay anyone heard of Dvorak Command Qwerty and familiar with Android I have a rather obscure extension that doesn't work because of an Android/Chrome OS bug. Here is the extension github.com/7fe/dvorak-qwerty-chromeos
yes I am willing to pay $100 an hour but atlas I want to make sure you even understand the issue before you go diving in
19:54
if you're paying $100/hr I'd think upwork would be ok, as long as you ignore the blatantly unqualified devs.
(which would likely be 99% of those that apply)
Also, I'm blatantly unqualified if you'd like to hire me.
lmao
twiz 10/10 for setting expectations
Well, I'm also probably 100x more qualified than those 99% of devs that would apply, but still completely unqualified for chromeOS dev. haha
To be clear, that's not me bragging. That's an insult to the average dev on upwork.
lmfao
I wanna smoke weed but I have a date in 3 hours
feel like I shouldnt
lol uh yeah, probably not.
dating is hard
20:06
Just bring it along and offer it first thing. lol
that actually COULD work I suppose. Depending on the person.
lmao
I actually did that on my last date
but it never came up
weed before a date is just a killer lolol so hard to socialize with a stranger
man that means I should actually do work now though
ugh
"killer" as in a good thing or a bad thing?
bad thing
makes it so hard to socialize for me with new people
Yeah, its weird some people are the opposite. Or more likely they think they're the opposite, but aren't.
Yeah definitely, I find there's maybe like .. 5-10% that are genuinely like that
but more likely they're just socializing with other high people and think they're normal lmao
20:19
haha sounds about right
4:20
anyway, I need to do laundry. Fun times...
o/
lolol sounds good man, enjoy your weekend if I dont see ya
\o
20:49
BB flexing over all of us with having actual dates
like sir, do you have any idea how many months it has been since last time I've had a date?
man I've had a depressing number of first dates in the past 5-6 years
but very true that the opposite could be considered depressing as well xD
20:50
on the other hand, I've started gatting figs and they,re pretty nice /s
LOL
I actually don't know if I've ever had a fig that wasn't in a cookie
bb hows you and friends?
better actually
that's good to hear
kind of sad that I had to basically corner them for information and put pressure on them. But basically they haven't been explicitly excluding me but that it's more been a byproduct of circumstance and laziness on their end. Doesn't really take away that they are horrible communicators and kind of bad friends in some aspects though
hopefully it will improve from here
but its made me kind of calm down with respects to cutting them out of my life, and has made me more okay with the idea of just being friends with them in a lesser capacity going forward
I feel that
I'm still learning, but rumor has it that, it's sometimes healthy not to go all in in every relationship
yeah so it's not that they're really malicious, but more just kinda shitty friends in how I would expect a friend to act in their position kinda thing
took me most of 30 years to get that
20:56
yaaaaaa
that's a hard lesson to learn sometimes
This was my lesson for that, big time
@ballBreaker ya unfortunately sometimes close friends aren't as close as you think they are
I gave my 100% into a friend group that was kind of unsustainable with our trajectory.. like all we did was chat and play games all the time - and then get together and get shitfaced on the weekends. But outside of that we didn't really do much, so it was like I made my 'party friends' and 'gaming' friends my BEST FRIENDS and it kinda bit me in the ass
@JBis mhmm yeah definitely
I also had a lot of red flags for this stuff that I saw before this happening so it wasn't a total surprise (but yet, still was xD)
20:58
not sure if it has to do with covid or something else, but a bunch of people in my life seem to be going through long time friends breaking apart
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier thanks man <3
@JBis was a huge factor for it TBH, these guys were kind of my 'rock' through covid so I was leaning on them WAY more than I would have been otherwise
a lesson here for me is that I can't really expect to be best friends with someone who doesn't have the ability to communicate when something goes wrong.. like being best friends with someone who has ZERO conflict resolution skills is a recipe for disaster
(at least for me)
if I also had zero conflict resolution skills then my expectations would be aligned with theirs and it wouldn't have been an issue
just ignore it and pretend it isn't happening and maybe it'll go away
only works when everyone does it
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier still liking the new job? :3
oh yeah
just amazing, so many stuff to learn, huge codebase to maintain, many php, such interesting
php dunks incoming in 3... 2... 1...
man that's awesome, I'm happy for you
I love hearing about people happy at work
these past years have been a mixed bag of really not-so-cool stuff but also very-awesome stuff at the same time
feels like such a rarity these days
yeah. it's like the norm if folks hating on their work
I definitely feel that!
21:05
how's it on your end?
Same story for me as well
amazing people, amazing culture, really enjoying learning scala and the new tech stack, feel like I'm an actual real programmer for once
Couldn't really ask for any more, my expectations are already exceeded
awwww :) that's very nice to hear!
thanks man!! I'm so glad I took the dive to leave my last company
good for you :) it's always hard to take steps into the unknown, and you did it!
yeah definitely! historically, applying for jobs has been my least favourite thing to do on the planet next to taking exams
but this time around was a total breeze which made it so nice
yah. Interesting timing becasue I probably wouldn't have worked here without covid from both the companies perspective, and my own
hah! a silver-lining, finally :)
hiring shortage made them a little more desperate than usual so they looked at people with 0 scala experience (me)

the remote aspects made me less picky about location (this would have been a 2 hour commute each day)
so it was like, meant to be!
100%
anyway I'ma 420 late
XD lucky you, I gotta wait till after my date <_< enjoy your evening and weekend dude!
thx :D
\o
im heading out also jbis, congrats again buddy, you def deserve this :)
*\o
(thats a cheerleader pompom)
@ballBreaker thanks again :)

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