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7:00 PM
@ballBreaker its placement for the school, so they can see what I am good at or not good at
 
weird
I would just not do it
 
lol
I don't want to and they don't affect me because of the program I am doing but they are required
 
oh even weirder
I figured that was the whole point of the SATs or whatever you americans have to do
 
you'd think
 
I guess I can see the benefit though
If half the people joining your university don't know basic addition then you might wanna focus on that
 
7:09 PM
I don't really understand why our transcripts wouldn't already show that we don't know basic addition but yeah.
 
yeah that too
 
be back in 100 minutes or so
o/
 
ciao
y'all come back now ya'hear
I think I'm starting to like a documenting convention that other people probably are going to fckin hate
I think comments look better when they don't align with the tabbing and instead start at col 0
 
yeah I hate that
comments look better when they don't exist
 
hahah I've been finding my code a bit harder to read when they line up vs when the comments are offset
yeah 100%
 
7:19 PM
tbh it probably depends on the color and code
 
I overly comment my code though because I assume everyone who looks at it next has donkey brain syndrome
 
I visually navigate indentation for scoping and such and that would drive my brain nuts
 
yeah true, I'm stuck with light mode and it looks god awful with the comments lining up
fair fair
that aspect would drive me insane too but for these comments I find I tune them out
I realize that it's probably more just that I hate this light mode so fcking much and the comments lining up makes it look super bad instead of very bad
 
Do you prefer to write:

if () {

}

or

if ()
{

}
 
the first one
 
7:22 PM
Don't you think that the second one sometimes makes it easy to read?
 
^
as a student I did the second
as a professional I prefer the first
 
the first one, although both are easy to read
 
@Taseer no I think it makes it harder
 
When I worked with Java in old school eclipse it didn't highlight the matching bracket, that made the second one easier to avoid syntax errors
 
for my brain it's much easier to differentiate between a single curvy bracket then two
 
7:23 PM
in a modern ide with bracket highlighting the first one is better because there are less useless lines
 
otherwise sometimes I confuse one for the other if I'm scrolling fast or thinking too fast for my own good lol
 
do y'all use visual whitespace?
 
what do you mean? adding whitespace so it looks better?
 
displaying whitespace with visual characters in the ide
 
Although I have been doing the first one but recently I have tried to do the second one in my Spring project and for certain times I have found the second one to be more readable
 
7:25 PM
not even sure what that is tbh
 
thats the normal one right dave?
is there a second incoming?
 
the lines for the indentation is visual whitespace
or rather "show whitespace characters"
 
yeah I have no idea it just looks normal to me
 
7:27 PM
without would be just black
oh nevermind
 
i believe visual whitespace is turned on by default in most modern editors
 
I didn't actually have it on because vs code adds those lines
 
I'm gonna need to see the difference visually because I have no idea what you're talking about lmao
 
in android studio I think you needed to turn it on
it would just be a solid color
not sure if that's the case anymore
 
7:29 PM
oh like you can define the colour of the whitespace instead of it being a blank character?
 
like off is solid white or whatever your background color is, you get spacing, no lines, no characters
 
@Taseer yeah im not the biggest fan of this
 
turning it on and you'd get dots or some visual indicator for the whitespace characters
 
I like to only keep track of a single } , and having { on a newline just looks cluttered
 
@Taseer yeah I don't like that either, you can see that I like in my ss
 
7:30 PM
@DaveS oh I see I see
 
Even if I try to stick with one convention in a project (the second one), I found it difficult to keep with it when writing somewhat bigger (10-15 lines) methods
At first glance, at least for me, I found it easier to quickly read the code when written the second way
 
it gets really messy for nested loops
 
also becomes a problem for larger files
too much scrolling
 
also you switch conventions midway through
 
Agreed, as I stated before, I found it difficult to stick to this convention
 
7:34 PM
you do:

` public class
{

if () {
} else {
} `
 
Yeah that looks weird
 
fuck
I need to delete rlemons thing
it doesn't let me ctrl+k anymore
 
risky clicker?
 
no his dark mode for chat
 
wait why do you control k?
I see, til
 
7:37 PM
yeah its way easier code formatting, so much so that I forget how to go back
as you can see above xD
is this code formatting?
 
yeah I just didn't format code
 
haha fair
@Taseer I think there have been times where I found the new line { to be more readable but it's pretty rare for me and I tend to gravitate towards only } on a new line
my IDE doesn't have the | lines for lining up statements, so I do it the other way because I get confused too easily
 
tbf I think you get confused too easily either way
 
yeah probably
everytime I look in the mirror I get confused about my gender
2
 
same, everytime I look at your facebook I get confused about my sexuality
3
 
7:43 PM
lmao
 
it's a shame you're the only one here to appreciate that one
 
Another question. I once read that you as a developer should not return null. Maybe return an empty object but not a null. But why would you want to create an empty object with a memory overhead. Take that memory overhead and multiply with n times on a high load server
I don't see any particular gains with returning an empty object
 
Tim
Use null when it is appropriate. Don't give a shit about what you read
 
I use null but I understand the argument against it as lazy coding/bad practices or just bigger teams in general can lead to NPEs
it's often better to have weird UI bugs with empty strings than a crash
but like Tim said, do what makes sense
 
oi
 
7:55 PM
@DaveS yeah that was great
yeah I personally find the blanks a little weird rather than just assuming anything could be null and checking for NPE
I get both approaches though
lol I say that and then immediately get a NPE from a change I made
 
But if you know that something is nullable so why not handle it at some endpoint in your code flow. No more NPEs
it's just a matter of writing a single if / else statement
 
@DaveS lol nice one
 
i think that's what people have been doing since the null was introduced Taseer :D
 
@ballBreaker that is why fb has 100 gender options for you
 
The NPE is a runtime exception, an "unchecked exception", you're not supposed to handle those in java
You're supposed to prevent the programatically, with if == null/else for ex
 
8:06 PM
I just check if the object is null and if it's not I set it to null to enforce that I get NPEs everywhere
I have an NPE quota I need to fill
 
Too much effort, you just need to do it once at the entry point of your application so it crashes immediately
 
appState = appState != null ? null : appState;
 
lol my coworker just got confused which group chat had which people and chirped someone while they were in the group chat
it was super mild though thankfully for them
 
that's why I chirp all my co-workers to their face
 
Tim
@Taseer some things are just best represented with null. Null has a special meaning, people often opt to resort to a default value instead of null, this is wrong. That said, for the one consuming the null, it is best to map it to something else as early as possible
 
8:20 PM
nothing confused me more than working with things and expecting them to be null and instead they are blank strings of "" on the backend
why is my null check not catching this bs? wtf? oh.. ohhh... what
 
Tim
better than "null" still xD
 
lmao true
that would have been extra cruel
 
Oh okay I get it now
 
@taseer interesting bio
 
first name 'bro'
last name 'grammer'
middle name 'sexual harassment'
2
 
8:36 PM
Hahahahh
 
bahah heyo o/
 
How you doin
 
not baad man
workin til 6 now haha
starting this 'summer hours' pilot program thing, work an extra hour or two each day and then leave early friday or get it off entirely
I know some companies just let you leave at half-day on friday during the summer lol too bad I gotta make it up but its better than nothing
hbu?
 
oh em gee, it's gonna be whiteboy summer in this chat
an extra 1-2 hours of shitposting with bb
 
@ballBreaker nice, sounds like a good deal to me
Fridays are important after all
@ballBreaker gotta plan my vaccine soon but I hate needles
 
8:42 PM
it's more of a tracking chip tattoo than a needle
so don't worry
 
@Mehdi haha I do what I can...
 
nice man, well hmm, just try not to look at the needle maybe lolol i unno
I should have an aversion to needles but I dont.. when I was 10 there was an administrative error at my school and they tried to give me a second dose of the measles vaccine that they already gave me and they didn't believe I already had it when I said
so they literally held me down while I was struggling and swinging and they jabbed me with it
 
so now you just get all your shots like that because it's familiar and comfortable?
also don't tell anyone from the US that story or they'll dig in deeper into private healthcare
 
hahahaha
yeah it wasn't the health care fault it was my schools fault
it was literally the principal holding me down while I was screaming and flailing
 
yeah but weird that the school administers vaccines
 
8:48 PM
the nurse administered it
 
nurses give our kids their vaccines at the doctors office
 
the teachers jsut did all the abuse
 
and they are optional
 
the vaccines are??
 
yeah worst case you can't enroll at a school
no one forces anyone to get a vaccine for anything
 
8:49 PM
right
yeah if you dont have the vaccination you shouldnt go to school
 
yeah and that's the case usually other than "religious exemptions"
depends on the state
but holy shit the media would lose its mind if some kid had a vaccine forcibly administered against their will without their parents present
 
the only exemption should be if you have AIDS or some other auto immune disorder where getting the vaccine woudl kill you
 
yeah medical exemptions too
 
@DaveS hahaha yeah
same here honestly
I tell people that story and they can't believe me
alberta is fucked
 
yeah I would sue if that happened to my kid
like a second dose, the chance of danger etc
 
8:51 PM
went to some nutjob christian school in alberta for a while where the teachers were basically liek 'youre lucky we cant beat you anymore'
 
yikes
 
haha yeah that place was fucked
it was the meningitis one or whatever
so I think you get a shot in grade 3, and another in grade 8 or something
 
weird that it happens at school
 
so I ended up skipping the second one in grade 8
not really though if you think about it
way easier to coordinate and organize doing it all at once in a school than trusting people to do it on their own
experiences like mine are from what I gather extremely rare
 
yeah but injections w/o parents seems weird
 
8:53 PM
yeah I get that aspect for sure
if my mom was there they would have trusted her that I had my shot
 
@DaveS hahahaha
 
one thing that I'll never forget from my childhood are the dumbass situations I got into because adults didn't trust me
 
tell us another one
 
@DaveS NY got rid of those a while ago, awesome change
 
@DaveS I had a stomach issue for 4 years when I was a kid where my hunger would make me throw up and it took 6 different doctors until one believed me
they all thought I had an eating disorder and was lying to them
 
8:57 PM
@DaveS i think it can be understandable tbh, the excipients that come with vaccines are not always harmless (unrelated to covid or its vaccines), so i think it's an educated choice to make basically like medicines
 
do you know how many horror movies wouldn't exist if kids were trusted?
 
that one's not as fun though
@JBis nice yeah thats a good change
no religion should be exempt from vaccinations
in fact, religions shouldn't get any special benefits at all except for human rights benefits
 
"There's a crazy serial killer in my closet"
"Alright, I'll call the police."
*roll credits*
 
lmao
true
 
@Mehdi oh yeah totally understandable, I would be absolutely enraged if some school official took it upon themselves to administer a vaccine to my kid without talking to me but that's a different system, we don't give kids vaccines in school here
 
9:00 PM
well there were forms that needed to signed by the parents etc
and parents could deny the request to vaccinate
and get it on their own
 
right but then they lost your request to deny because you got it on your own so the default is "shoot em up!"
 
anyone ever donate blood?
 
it's not a mandatory thing like you're imagining, it's a "all these kids need vaccines at the same time, lets do it here"
 
@DaveS what about companies? Companies have started vaccination campaigns here
 
well like I went to the football stadium and got my vaccine because covid
but almost every other vaccine is administered by nurses during your yearly physical exam
 
9:02 PM
lol
 
or milestone exams when younger
 
I don't want my kids to get vaccinated at school I want them to be vaccinated at a football stadium
 
@JBis yes
 
classic american
 
it was just where the state had enough space to set up a massive drive through operation to serve all of phoenix
I volunteered to get mine early, thousands of cars when through in my shift
was nuts
 
9:04 PM
yeah im just kidding
This is literally the same thing though, it's just lets do it in a central place to ensure it gets done, if you wanna doit on your own you can
my experience wasn't a fault with the system it was a fault with the principals brain
 
yeah I'm just saying the difference is, it's only for covid
yeah but the principal would never have a chance to make that mistake the way we do it
it's just always up to the parent with the parent present
 
right but why burden the healthcare system with thousands of doctor visits instead of just doing it in one place
 
So I reversed NY's Excelsior Pass, pretty well made tbh
 
do you not have yearly physicals in Canada?
 
nothing mandatory
 
9:06 PM
IBM apparently made it so thats why. It uses a cryptographical signature which is smart.
 
you're already trusting teachers not to fuck your kids up/let them die, don't really see too much of a difference here
I'll probably think differently when I have kids and take them in myself though
again the thing isn't mandatory
but having the vaccine is
 
You know they should make drivers licenses that way. Add a QR code with cryptographical signature...just wait about 4 years to implement that.
 
they should make drivers licenses NFTs
 
i think they should start selling NFTs of NFTs. Call em NFT squared.
 
haha
 
9:12 PM
So I have to take a class on race for school and apparently "Race and the Shaping of American Politics" doesn't count
 
is it court mandated or something
part of a diversion program for doing racist things?
 
no just a graduation requirement
 
uhh
weird..
your school sounds whack bro
 
I don't think it's that weird
they want people to understand how racism exists i guess
 
I had to do something similar but it was called cultural credits
I took an online class on Native Americans, the tribal / treaties system and how fucked they got
 
9:18 PM
mine was just general arts elective credits
 
i don't think it's inherently bad as long as it's taught properly
 
I took Ancient Humour
 
Knock Knock
 
@ballBreaker damn that sucks!
 
@JBis haha even ancienter
it was about humour in rome and greece and stuff
if there's any level of education where classes like that should be mandatory, it should be elementary or highschool
 
9:21 PM
So Julius Caesar walks into a restaurant and orders a salad...
 
I would argue that educated people are less racist on average and not due to taking courses on race in university lol
gotta get the dummies in on the action to make it worth while
 
Yes but the educated people are the ones that really matter
Some uneducated dumbass calling black people the n word is not nearly as bad as a bank owner not giving loans to black people
 
yeah but if you did it in highschool you get both
I guess the whole thing is a bit weird to me still
 
yeah i mean there is an effort for teaching "critical race theory" in elementary middle and high school however many people are against it (I am as well)
I think it's important to teach about race and racism in schools and I don't think it's done as well as it could be done now, but CRT is the wrong answer
 
the problem with race is that it's not really a super teachable subject
 
9:28 PM
i think it is
 
it just needs to be baked into various things.. that's how it's done up here and I'm sure you have it down there as well
in history for example we learn about racism a lot
 
Teachers in the US in my experience focus wayyyy to much on slavery
 
but having a class on racism is weird because it's not something you can teach in my experience, but rather have to experience
or at least some combination of both
 
Tim
that's exactly what a canadian bachelor axe owner would say
 
what makes people less racist is opportunities to be proven wrong. You can teach a basic concept of treat people the same, but some people aren't goign to buy that
especially not if 99.9% of the people they see are white/of the same race
 
9:31 PM
"opportunities to be proven wrong?"
 
so instead I propose that we get a circus of travelling races to do tours of america
 
i think thats stupid
 
yeah im obviously kidding lol
@JBis yeah for peoples biases to be proven wrong through experience
 
I don't think thats the right approach
 
in my experiences with racism it's always people who don't spend time around different / diverse races
 
9:33 PM
The fact is black people on average are poorer than white people in America. A white persons experience is going to teach "black people are poor because they are black".
If you teach the history of why black people are on average poorer, the message is going to be closer to "black people are poorer due to historic racism"
I think it also maybe different in canada
 
yeah definitely is
 
yeah in the US the history you learn in school is very much pro government
 
You guys weren't super racist to black people since your incpetion
 
and I think these college courses are useful for correcting some of that
 
our history is like "ohhh we fucked up, we fucked up so bad"
(especially with regards to our treatment of natives)
and we have given them a lot of benefits due to it, so I guess the underlying current is a lot different
 
9:36 PM
The problem with focusing on slavery is people get the mind set that "The US was really racist 300 years ago but since then we've become better and now we are a country without any racism! Go USA!"
 
were there ever reparations for slavery?
 
In my school, we never once talked about War on Drugs
Which i believe to be single biggest reason as to why we are where we are now
@ballBreaker No and imo it's too late for that and mostly useless
 
I wouldn't say it's useless, when learning as a kid about the ones we gave it solidified that we made a bad mistake with what we did
 
Tim
NL has paid some to countries exploited hundreds of years ago not long ago
 
Well let me rephrase, there are much better things we can do with that money to help black people than just giving some black people cash
 
9:39 PM
but yeah I wouldn't really say that it's going to help now, maybe, hard to say
 
Tim
like we didn't do it, and you didn't suffer it, but here is money I guess
 
@JBis the ones in my mind are that natives don't pay tax and they have free university
not a flat $
tax one would be interesting though, too many people for that I think
@Tim haha
I guess it helps repair the countries relationship a bit at the end of the day, or at least starts it down that path
if I randomly got money from some other government I'd be like oh nice
 
@ballBreaker oh you're talking about natives
 
@JBis but yeah that's probably true
 
i was talking about black people
 
9:42 PM
@JBis yeah its our version of slavery
 
@ballBreaker oh lol america did both :D
 
did you have the residential schools and the assimilation programs?
 
no idea what that is
 
we forced natives into schools to teach them how to assimilate into white culture
and they had to live there
like re-education camps
 
apparently we did that too
Native American boarding schools, also known as Indian Residential Schools, were established in the United States during the early 19th and mid 20th centuries with a primary objective of "civilizing" or assimilating Native American children and youth into Euro-American culture. In the process, these schools denigrated Native American culture and made children give up language and religion. At the same time the schools provided a basic education in Euro-American subjects. These boarding schools were first established by Christian missionaries of various denominations, who often started both missions...
Never knew about it
 
9:43 PM
haha
well I guess I'm not surprised that racism is as big of an issue there, if you have that and nobody even bats an eye
but I'm also not surprised as I imagine slavery would be the bigger focus
yeah they're different shades of bad for sure
 
I mean mass murder is pretty bad
 
Yeah, didn't really phrase that right
 
yeah it happens
you probably just don't know enough about the native stuff, from what I'm reading it sounds like the same situation as what happened in canada
 
A big focus was on the treaties not being honored
they told the natives here's your land and you can manage it, then just flat out refused to honor them later
kicked them off their homes and moved them to even worse areas
 
welp now they get casinos
 
9:50 PM
is it like here, with native reserves?
 
yeah
 
but we gave them the shittiest land we could find
 
yeah it's like if they packed everyone up and moved them to Toronto (or wherever bb lives)
 
hahaha
I lived beside a native reserve growing up actually
the reserve is called Rama and hilariously enough there's Casino Rama on it
hilarious because jbis made the joke, and it's the only native casino in ontario to my knowledge haha
 
:D
 
9:53 PM
yeah, past atrocities are always fun
everyone's got em
tries not to make eye contact with warren
 
i really wish i was better at reverse engineering
 
being almost 50% Scandinavian I need to apologize to Paris and England
 
hahaha
sorry and thank you for all your beautiful women
 
the NSA's program seems to always disappear on my computer, very sus
 
which one is that?
google chrome?
 
9:56 PM
ghidra
 
interesting
sounds cool
 
it's a pretty cool program and legit props to the NSA for releasing
 
lil java swing program too eh
 
it looks horrible
 
do you think they would have without the wikileaks leaking it
 
9:59 PM
probably idk
it doesn't really give them an advantage to keep it secret
 
yeah that's fair
I'm gonna skidaddle, have a good one
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