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12:47 AM
@asim "Arduino C++"
or you can say the arduino library
 
see, thats why I hate making resumes
 
1:45 AM
This is quite possibly one of the most genius marketing stunts I've ever seen twitter.com/moxie/status/1389653364925816832?s=21
 
 
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5:13 AM
posted on May 05, 2021 by Nicolas Roard

 We are happy to announce the release of ConstraintLayout 2.1.0 beta 2, with several fixes. dependencies {     implementation 'androidx.constraintlayout:constraintlayout:2.1.0-beta02' } What's new in 2.1.0 More information about the new features in 2.1.0 can be found on the wiki, the source code is available on https://github.com/androidx/constraintlayout MotionLa

 
 
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6:18 AM
@Tim maybe it was down last night
well it works now..
 
7:20 AM
o/
 
 
 
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8:53 AM
Which password manager do you people use? (For personal use)
 
nothing
i use password for all of my passwords
 
I use google chrome build in manager, because it syncs nice across my devices and an offline manager app build by a friend of mine who I trust
 
Tim
9:15 AM
I use a variation of the same password everywhere
or chrome when it offers
 
I use the Russians
better be one step ahead is my thought
 
yo yo
 
I just changed my desk to 'standing' position
what a day
 
@WarrenFaith thanks! checking it
@Tim I've noticed that my utilisation of in-apps auth increased so I can't really rely on the browser
plus all the cool kids use those
 
Tim
I login with google everywhere
 
9:26 AM
I also like google, but it seems lately that many apps only require Fb + a plain auth form...
 
i use google for stuff i m into and a yahoo spam mail for other stuff
 
how old are you?
 
me?
let me think
25
 
@Tim I know
 
@grrigore not sure how / when you got introduced to yahoo mail then XD
 
9:28 AM
well back in the days
yahoo messenger and stuff
msn, hi5, etc
 
bitwarden.com seems like a nice tool
 
@RaghavSood surely has some tools
 
Raghav moved to management, he no longer has time for us
 
:(
 
Tim
zucc kicked a someone from the room last night
 
9:37 AM
what? why?
 
probably deserved it, I trust the judgment of the zucc
 
where is the girl from the Russian propaganda btw?
 
we don't do that here
 
I know but suddenly I don't see her showing up anymore
 
I guess she's got a super duper secret mission
 
9:42 AM
I was probably too polite last time I asked her to stop, and couldn't handle not being banned immediately
 
what's wrong with dogecoin
 
nothing except rappers now refer to "the doge" instead of "the dough"
 
Tim
this guy came in and starred 10 messages
13 hours ago, by traducerad
trololol
zucc AI ML classifier for spam kicked in and used cryptocurrency datamining as cutting edge solution
 
9:58 AM
GG zucc!
 
This was the most starred message last year on this day:
 
@Tim hahaha a truly real time classifier 👌
 
I remember Zucc got banned cause he flipped someone off
 
Tim
true story
 
remember this day?
Apr 16 '18 at 10:31, by Tim Castelijns
sorry, don't care
one of the most savage moments in this room
 
Tim
10:23 AM
xD yes
 
10:38 AM
:O
 
10:52 AM
@Mehdi fyi I am about to take over this app because my friend stopped working on it and at least I want to maintain it and do some small tweaks and improvements... he is still searching for the keystore :D
 
haha
 
11:08 AM
@WarrenFaith so finally a side project for the pandemic? :D
(besides your house construction of course xD)
 
 
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12:13 PM
@Mehdi bitwarden, open source and freeeeeeeee
They have a very active developer base too
 
 
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1:25 PM
yeah...
 
1:37 PM
@WarrenFaith how's Adam?
 
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Afternoon Everyone!!!! :D
 
hiya @W0MP3R
 
Hiya!!!! :D
 
Seems like very gooooood afternoon where you are xD
 
i'm like this right now
user image
3
 
Tim
1:45 PM
womp just automated her most time consuming task today
 
and it's going to get worse xD
But i only automated it on discord heheh
 
This is what I thought of when you shared that image lol
 
hahahhaha
it's suposed to be a puddle me
 
I hope it gets better though!
It was either that or Ditto
 
it will get hotter then colder and then summer so hotter again
and i will become one with the floor
 
1:47 PM
 
so cute
 
Tim
@W0MP3R this would be muk right
 
yep
a cute purple muk
 
@JBis thanks! yes, I did a small research and I decided to go with it, open source + free individual plan is always good :D
 
Awesome! It's pretty nice
 
2:19 PM
Ribbit!
Howr y'all doin!
 
Tim
2:41 PM
quite average
 
2:51 PM
hello folks
app A call my app B through startActivirtyForResult => after app B finish => app A side intent is OK
app A call my app B through startActivirtyForResult => restart App B => app B finish => app A side intent is null
any idea
btw, the finish is called after setResult.
 
3:10 PM
what's the question?
 
why the intent is null in the second UC
 
by restart you mean kill the app and start it again?
but stupid question maybe but app A and app B?
nvm
gotta get some sleep see ya o/
 
yes by restart I meant trigger rebirth
 
Cya grrigore!!! :D
 
have good dreams grr
 
3:33 PM
uhhhhhggggg: math
 
Tim
@Cool because your app didn't start app B so app B doesn't know where to deliver the result to
 
somehow with ProcessPhoenix.triggerRebirth it does
the only issue is with the intent data null value
and resultCode
 
3:57 PM
php can be absolute horror
 
php is an adquired taste
 
Tim
I think the issue is with the requirement. As a user I would not expect that to work, I don't know why you are trying to do that
like giving someone a note with your number on it and asking them to call you
then they suddenly catch on fire and burn to death along with the note, and a new person takes their place
are they gonna call you? I doubt it
 
o/
 
our clients use our app to do the payment on their behalf. there is a case that we return an error message and we ask them to launch our app in standalone mode. but I have seen that they don't do it hence I suggested automating it.
so, instead of return a message to the caller app saying hey please launch our app in standalone I will just restart our app and some process get triggered hence he could do a payment next time.
seems there is some workaround to my issue => stackoverflow.com/questions/16479886/…
 
4:13 PM
@Tim to what is this a metaphor?
 
Tim
to the app being killed and restarted
 
o/
@W0MP3R XD
 
4:44 PM
 
o/
 
@JBis I don't get it
 
white bezels
 
is that a real thing you found on amazon
?
what kind of monkey brained person spends that kind of money on a monitor and then permanent markers the bezels
 
I'm inferring you are supposed to paint the white bezels with the black marker right?
 
4:54 PM
answer: the average apple user
@Mehdi I too use passwords for all my passwords
I have a pass-phrase template that changes based on the service I'm making the password for.. it's 100% the best way to do it imo
Template: _____sucksbigchungus123!@#

Facebook: Socializingsucksbigchungus123!@#
banking: Financessuckbigchungus123!@#
linkedin: Networkingsucksbigchungus123!@#
 
Anyways, I found an inclusive fun fact... But I'm going to share it on discord, so I don't get reported
 
the first word that comes to mind when I use the service (that isn't the service name itself) is what becomes the first word in the template
at worst it takes me 2 tries to remember the word I chose
and I get the added safety of not having my passwords all stored in one central location to get hacked
so I've effectively 'memorized' all of my passwords by only memorizing the phrase that comes after the word, and switching up the first word. I like the system quite a lot
thanks for coming to my ted talk
@Tim lolol there's been a few trolls now come in since the room was public
other one is that King_Coda gentleman
 
@ballBreaker no
but i'll take that as a compliment on my photoshop skills
 
lol it looked fake
but it's believable because of dumdum idiots in the world
 
@ballBreaker I'm not understanding. whats yours for stackexchange?
 
5:07 PM
Progammingsucksthebigchungus123!@#
lol 'sucksthebigchungus123!@#' isn't my actual phrase
nice tryyyyyyyy
 
damn it
 
ugh
wanna do my documentation for this project and I'll do your math?
 
Sure! Do I get paid and you don't too?
 
hmm no, I get paid either way, but this way you don't have to do math and Idon't have to do documentation
 
meh
 
5:18 PM
haha
what kind of math are you doing
I kind of miss math
it's kind of rattling learning math at the most complicated level possible and then graduating and barely having to use algebra
what a waste of brain space
 
> In abstract algebra, a generating set of a group is a subset of the group set such that every element of the group can be expressed as a combination (under the group operation) of finitely many elements of the subset and their inverses.
I'm pretty sure the person who wrote that just hit the predicted 'next word' button on their keyboards
 
Word up
 
@JBis lol it all makes sense
 
5:40 PM
o/ sup nerd
 
my eyes hurt/head/brain hurt
TT^TT
 
5:53 PM
o/
 
\o
 
Wompers!
 
how are you?
 
@W0MP3R =<
 
5:55 PM
@Ahmad and @Mauker new music
@W0MP3R oh no, why?
 
everything hurts xD
@CarlAnderson dunno, it just hurts xD
how are u??
 
Good but tired. Puppers needed to be let out at 3am
also all the walking is good exercise for me but I'm used to being a bump sitting in my chair all day so it's been pushing me to get in better shape.
@W0MP3R did you see my picture yesterday?
21 hours ago, by Carl Anderson
user image
 
OMG OMGOMGOMGMOG
so cute
i didn't see it :O
 
she's currently in her crate asleep and dreaming
 
yay~~
 
6:08 PM
currently trying to figure out a database migration
 
<3 so much
 
@CarlAnderson nice man! That's awesome
 
Yeah, wish society could get back to normal so I could play volleyball again, but that's still a ways off I think
 
yeah that'd be really nice. I hope this summer will be similar to last summer for me, as long as I can go to the beach occasionally and get some park chillin in the mix I'll be good
 
Time to go~~
Cya tomorrow everyone!!! :D
 
6:20 PM
cya womps :)
 
cya Wompers!
 
@CarlAnderson Caaaaaaaaaaaaarllll >.<
 
hey Bear!
 
I don't understand, how can you go to church but not volley ball
 
I don't go to church either, it's all via Zoom
 
6:25 PM
You're the only one I know that does church so the only one that can help me understand
Well, there goes that :(
 
Churches that are meeting in person at this time have a special place of hatred in my heart
 
Oh good
 
They're hoping to re-open church to vaccinated persons maybe in July or August.
 
Well.... "good"
Doesn't help me understand them, but shows it's not Christianity as a whole
They all open around me now
 
It's not biblical what they're doing
 
6:32 PM
That's what I figured
 
they twist scripture to suit their purposes of meeting
 
Why would a loving god want you to put people in mortal danger so you could worship in a specific building
Guess I need to find another Christian to go bother :(
 
Nothing has revealed the hypocracy of Evangelical churches more than the last 4 years with Covid and Trump support
You can keep bothering me, I don't mind
 
nerds
 
6:53 PM
@Graeme they have capacity restrictions though, right?
 
@ballBreaker they have the capacity to fill your heart with Jesus.
ok I'll stop now.
 
hahah if only that was the only thing the priests wanted to fill ... with jesus
 
I was forced to go to church as a kid, never really understood the appeal, still don't
probably the single most boring thing I've ever had to do
why people would actively want to put themselves through that, I'll never understand
I get the community appeal though
I don't really feel like I'm a part of a community, I think going to church would fill that void a bit
Is that most of the reason people go?
or is it a combination of community + fear?
 
yeah
community + fear + a system for making sense of reality
 
6:59 PM
+ they are old and have nothing better to do
 
makes sense
I guess a sense of obligation probably ties in with the fear aspect
 
Someone the other day put it this way:
Either you don't believe in a God and you have to deal with the problem of meaninglessness, or
you believe in a God and you have to deal with the problem of Evil
 
I remember asking my parents when I was growing up why we had to go and it was always "because it's the right thing to do" kind of answer, and they didn't even really know themselves why they took us lol. I eventually convinced them to stop going/taking me, and once I didn't go, they stopped going
 
If you only do the right thing because you believe in religion and you want to go to heaven isn't that in itself selfish
 
@CarlAnderson yeah makes sense. I know it's extremely common for people to go into a depression after rejecting religion as they try to search for meaning and their place in the world
 
7:02 PM
Question - We're having a live issue here
 
I always though philosophy + psychology + physics were a better representation of reality once I understood them. But it's 1000% more work and there aren't really any 'easy' answers
 
Do you guys know if you can brows your files in AWS ?
Using id/secret
In a web UI
 
Tim
@ballBreaker I don't mind the occasional troll it's just that starring all the messages is just really annoying
 
Is it that you can't and you're wondering if AWS is down or something?
 
@JBis yeah, 100%
but it's more complicated than that, I think
the core 'rules' themselves aren't selfish - in fact it's the opposite. But the cycle of going to heaven vs hell is entirely a selfish feedback loop that's driven entirely out of fear
I think from what I've seen with people, the biggest trigger for them separating from catholicism and the like is seeing the fear trap of hell for what it is
was for me at least
 
7:06 PM
makes sense
My current church is pretty liberal and runs a breakfast for homeless people every week.
 
Nice man! That's really good, I can get behind those kinds of churches a lot more than some of the other consumerism ones
I feel like you said, people will twist scripture and bend the rules to fit their own agendas
my high school was catholic, but they didn't teach the bible as if it was fact, and there were courses that critically analyzed some of it. But the basics were 'this is a guideline for morality, not a rule to living your life'. I liked that approach a lot more
 
if churches like the one I go to didn't exist I don't think I'd be a Christian anymore
the harsh judgemental ones I grew up in I couldn't tolerate anymore
 
Yeah that makes sense, treats you (and others) more as a person and less as a "subject" of the religion
I think as long as they aren't set up to be money making machines, they are probably doing it the right/better way
although I guess money might not really be the problem in the more super traditional/conservative ones
 
oh don't get me started on that
😡
 
Those mega churches make me so angry lol
So I feel you
 
7:21 PM
nneeeerds
what's alt f4 on mac?
 
i think when you hit alt+f4 it automatically signs your name on a contract that allows apple to turn you into a human centiPad
 
Tim
hold alt and force quit
 
how would you go about telling a friend that you don't give a shit about what they're talking about? or would you?
serious question
I have a friend that routinely likes to message things in the group that nobody cares about and I don't know how to tell him nobody cares without coming across as a dick. So instead I just make jokes about it
example right now:
"George Jung just died"
torn because I don't want to be a dick, but it's almost daily with this stuff that neither of the 2 guys care about
 
7:42 PM
Setup an AI bb to deal with him
 
Stop reacting in any way to it
 
Just ignore him?
 
not him, but those topics
 
yeah makes sense, I was a bit worried that by making jokes I was encouraging him to share that stuff more
 
Passive aggressively respond with other irrelevant things
 
7:43 PM
I feel bad ignoring people though
 
"George Jung just died"
 
if this is a group chat, you can also chat him directly and telling him: hey please stop sharing those topics. You seem to be the only person who really cares about that. See there are no responses...
 
"I ate a sandwich for lunch"
 
@JBis lol yeah I was somewhat debating that, just sharing "x from this anime died in the show today"
but that's toxic haha
@WarrenFaith yeah that makes sense
I imagine he would catch on eventually if we ignored him when he said such things
haha I mean that's kind of what it is, I think
he likes to tell us news that he hears thinking it's helpful, but it's not
but thanks warren, I think that approach makes the most sense
 
I do the same thing to my family about tech news but I know they don't care but I think they should be informed
 
7:48 PM
do they ignore you?
lmao
what is their approach
 
Ignore mostly
Or sometimes send back shit I don't care about
 
hahaha
It's a fine line to walk between having healthy communication and functioning relationships
part of me wants to say something like "next time before you send something ask yourself if you think we'll care about it" but then I think, man I don't want to stifle him as a person
part of being in this friendship is accepting the parts of him that can annoy me, as well as the parts I like
 
Yeah tbh I agree with texting him separately
 
and ignoring kind of brushes it all under the rug
 
So I was using Facebook and looking for settings, it took me about 5 min to find the page
 
7:52 PM
oh man, facebook is the worst for that stuff
they intentionally make it really hard to find settings that will negatively impact them
 
I can't understand how a company based on a website can have such a shitty website
 
took me literally hours to go through and delete all of the ad trackers
@JBis aint that the truth lol
 
I guess the longer I look for settings the longer I'm on the app the more ads they can show me
 
lol
ever since I disabled facebook my targeted ads have become kind of hilarious
any that use the facebook ad profile have gone entirely generic and don't even really make sense
 
8:15 PM
No ad blocker?
 
I run it on mostly everything, but I get ads on my mobile reddit app 'sync'
gotta pay for the ad-less version
and it uses facebook analytics or whatever it's called
 
@CarlAnderson Nope - silly question. But new question - any of you guys use AWS ? Do you know how long a generated header is "valid" for ?
 
My company uses AWS but I don't know enough about it to answer any questions.
 
yeah same
 
Durn
We use AWS to authenticate with a partner
And they just deleted our access key - why you ask? - because we included the secret in our APK x.x
So - hypothetical:
Two solutions -
One, we proxy all traffic through our servers, with our servers attaching the header.
Two, we create a service which gives us a generated API key which expires after X
Both solutions carry the same risk right?
An attacker could fire 10,000 requests through us as a proxy in exactly the same way they could fire 10,000 requests directly using the generated key
Ah, but acting as a proxy allows us to rate limit if we detect an attack
 
8:52 PM
Okay. Brain on fire. Retreating for the day. Later guys.
 
This is a problem known as a key distribution
You can obtain that key at runtime
or generate that key at the client side (unique key/app install) and register that key on your BE
check out PKCE for Oauthv2 might give you some additional ideas
and Hashicorp Consul
and DiffieHelman
This is really interesting topic for me and i would love to discuss more, not sure if its going to solve that concrete problem tho
 
9:24 PM
@Graeme 1, def 1
Your API key is to authenticate you. Your clients aren't you. And they aren't you for X seconds. If your clients want to ask you make a request on their behalf, that's fine but they shouldn't pretend to be you.
Setup a proxy and rate limit the requests.
@Graeme no
@Graeme exactly. And you can validate requests
@IvanMilisavljevic doesn't sound like it to me. This isn't a key as in public key cryptography this is a simple API authentication key
 
 
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11:16 PM
@JBis true, but the same solution could be applied
 
@Ahmad even more music
 

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