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03:09
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Tom
Tom
06:52
morning
07:15
Greetings, person-who-does-not-have-exams
Tom
Tom
at least not pointless one today :P
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!!!!! :D
07:37
Writing uni exams is one of the most pointless tasks, so you've all got that on me for the next couple of weeks
Lol niceee
08:21
hello
Tom
Tom
hi
so, South Africa or England?
rugby final?
Tom
Tom
yes
Should've seen things here after NZ lost the semi final
South Africa I hope
08:44
HEEEEEL - swim into the chat - LOOOO PEOPLE
eLi
eLi
Hi
public PinEntryEditText(Context context, AttributeSet attrs) {
        super(context, attrs);
        init(context, attrs);
}
Will this be automatically extracted from class PinEntryEditText(context: Context, attrs : AttributeSet) : EditText(context,attrs)?
With init method in the init block?
auto what?
@Nyakouai drains the water
flops uselessly at the bottom
08:56
I mean if it will provide that constructor
what
where
when
nvm I think I figured it out
08:58
No.
LIES
it's classified
Maybe
oooh you mean the [REDACTED]
09:00
(removed)
Eyes Only
Lies Only
Only you ♫
NHE - No Human Eyes
according to a bunch of people in the internet, i'm a bot soo....
09:04
tell me lies
I don't like shovels :3
Ain't nothin' but a heartache
Tell me why
(Gad dammit, Womper, don't get in the way of "I want it that way")
09:05
you are... you are...you are..you AAAARRREEee
(Ps: Please, respectfully. Meant no offenses. Don't ask your RO friends to baxh me with shovels)
W0MP is quite capable of bashing people with shovels without help
I don't have that kind of power xD
Source: Countless Panda abductions
pff
09:06
Yeah, but my brain does not register W0MP as a threat
On a totally unrelated note, and not involving Pandas in any way whatsoever, it is time for dinner
No person saying "hiya" is threatening enough to scare you, even with a shovel
starts suspiciously large fire for dinner that doesn't involve Pandas
sends panda to invade nya
Joke's on you, Vietnameses do no fear fighting in bamboo fields
forests
groves
whatever
09:09
I love Vietnam
Mostly for an excellent Pizza chain
I should go there again
You been there?
Was it nice?
We have an office in HCM, I spent about half of 2017 there
The pizza is great
@Nyakouai i thought you were frenche?
Generally quite a nice place
and cheap
09:10
But the pizza is the important factor here
TGIF
Half Vietnamese on my father side. Vietnam war (ours, not the famous one) brought quite a few in France
oh i see
Nyakouai is a joke about the racial slur for vietnamese
goes looking for ban option
09:12
sharing too much, beginning to ramble alone, please shut me up
Yeah, that might work
xD
@Nyakouai ohhh sounds weird to keep it as your name then
Looks like CFBot is performing well, @MehdiB.
No one has noticed
We can dispose off the real CF soon, no need for backups once initial tests pass
says the bot
why are you tring to make my pandas the dinner?
Raghav doesn't even requires a tailored bot. Any AngryBot™ will do
09:14
yes
A panda a day keeps starvation at bay
@Nyakouai just put a random "No" and "LIES" with random gibberish and it will work
LIES
eat a whale and leave my pandas alone
TRUTH
09:15
I'm allergic to seafood
horse
Unicorn
I prefer the pandas
¬¬
Goats
09:15
wot?
Tell me whyyyyy ♫
but tiny little goats are so cute
God, this is going to be a productive morning!
Womp, you find baby hippos cute
You're not really a reliable source to qualify what is cute or not, your evaluation function need more data
i find pretty much anything cute
We didn't start the fire
09:18
Exactly my point
@W0MP3R Wait... even Raghav the Grumpy? :P
that black-on-white siluette is pretty cool
That reminds me, I need to submit a photo of myself to the uni people
But I don't have any more recent than like 2016
That's recent
09:19
They did say I should submit a photo I'd use on linkedin....
Isn't it? That's like... last year or so
And considering I use the same on as SO on linkedin, I could just submit it
@RaghavSood XD
notice how he disappeared now that the context of the conversation is unclear for a bot
That's a feature, not a bug
Any idea how to change the text's colour in a custom EditText class?
09:25
override setTextColor?
Use glass paint
@MehdiB. That didn't work :(
glass paint was the answer
09:53
got two offers. again service based companies. glassdoor reviews are not that great.
but i do not have a choice but to pick one.
little dissapointed
Start your own thing
Take all their clients
Buy them out
Fire everyone
Profit
i wish i could do that
@grrigore I don't get it, what have you done that didn't work?
Ask people on the internet to solve his issues
mehdi if you don't now the answer just go away!!
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10:05
XD
I created a custom edittext, but overriding the setTextColor just won't work
Nor did xml stuff
what does it mean "won't work", you've been developing software for +1y now, you can't say "doesn't work" without details anymore :)
is it an AppCompatEditText
An EditText
Well there are some times that "won't work" is really the answer :P
eLi
eLi
Custom Layouts right !
10:07
5
A: Edit text for OTP with Each letter in separate positions

Kalpesh Wadekar OtpEditText.java (Custom EditText): import android.content.Context; import android.graphics.Canvas; import android.graphics.Paint; import android.text.Editable; import android.util.AttributeSet; import android.view.ActionMode; import android.view.View; import androidx.appcompat.widget.AppCompa...

@grrigore Never.
eLi
eLi
i once created never worked in xml, everything throw warnings
That was the answer that inspired me
you need to track the variable mTextColor in the TextView class if you wanna figure out the flow of the color application
this said, is your setTextColor calling super.setTextColor(myColor) ?
10:11
just to summarise, you have a custom edittext and the setTextColor programmatically / xml doesn't change the color?
getPaint().setColor(Color.parseColor("#FFFFFF"))
This is how I solved it
Yes
@Raghunandan yikes
can't help. i have no choice
@W0MP3R use the old ones then
10:28
Would love to join product based company. But i am not getting opportunities. I will have to expand my contacts and apply via employee referrals. They are very few opportunities if you apply from outside.
@MehdiB. did you learn any new math stuff for machine learning
No, he invented it
The M stands for Math
What kind of product work do you want to do?
anything in android for now. But would love to explore other fields as well given a opportunity
like some payment app.
anything that is used by lot of people. working in big teams and learning...
i have worked mostly on enterprise applications where it is meant for a particular customer or client
its not for public use. So you have nothing new to work on once the product dev is done unless client comes up with new requirement
but with products you will keep working on it for a long time
@Raghunandan the math stuff I went through was really just whatever we did in highschool
10:36
like i had worked on tablet app for toyota to reduce their paper work. But its used in only their service centers.
it's not difficult at all, once you get back to it it's really basic and logic
@MehdiB. hmmm. i asked this cause my friend ( the guy who got offer from apple) said ML is all about math
those are the guys who wanna create a barrier for new comers to the field
hmmm. so after that coursera course you applied and switched to a ML job? and you did have prior python ex?
"this is hard stuff, we're super smart, please don't fill the lack of talent in the industry, we wanna get paid more"
10:39
Math is practice
ML uses math in a similar way to crypto
As long as you mostly understand what's going on, you don't need to know the actual system inside out
Libraries/frameworks handle that for you
No one sits and does it out on paper
exactly
But you should know enough to say "Yeah, I need this kind of function with this type of property here"
Does it make any sense to create different exception handler for different API calls?
e.g., If I am trying to authenticate user, I will just show him a toast when error occurs. But, for listing-api, I need to show that "this failed, try again". This is only possible with different exceptionHandlers, right?
And then you can go and look up "some function in python"
10:40
i get that. the guys who work on those algos are data scientists and we just need to know how to apply those in our use case
unless you wanna develop your own or improve an existing algorithm, then yes, you need to come up with a math algo
that could take a lot of time. leave it to the pros.
which happens in 0.1% of cases, in companies that do AI research
I actually dislike people who discourage people from getting into a field by saying it's hard, "it's hard, but we managed to learn it, because we're super smart and the rest of you are not"
I love those kind of people, makes it easy to avoid joining bad teams
i agree.
10:42
ntz ntz ntz
I hate people
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@rupinderjeet why do you need exception handlers. can you not use normal try catch blocks and depending on the catch block you can display the message?
Isn't try {} catch(){} heavy?
than CoroutineExceptionHandler maybe?
You almost certainly don't need to worry about the cost there
no. its not.
10:48
I was following this guy: youtube.com/watch?v=DOoJnJJnAG4&t=2224s
wrapping all api-calls with trycatch is good, right?
i dont know.
I was trying to have a default exceptionHandler in my BaseViewModel. And, when I would need to do something different for errors, I would just provide an exceptionHandler while using launch block.
Or I can have the defaultExceptionHandler call a method. And, then, override this method for special error cases.
Check this out, Tim suggested this so it must be good
2
thanks.
Hope it helps
I will try. I usually read docs, and they don't even say that trycatch is a valid candidate unless it is a CancellationException. kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/coroutines/…
And, I was thinking why wouldn't they suggest trycatch as their primary excpetion handling method in a doc about exception-handling.
these things are weird to me. I read something else, and when it comes to implementation, I have to do something else.
11:13
o/
HIYA BAKKER!!!!! :D
11:33
Hi Womper!
@grrigore dangerous assumption
I wanted to edit it, but it was too late, I'll take care next time
@grrigore I just read that it worked out with you on the databinding, good to hear
Yes, took me almost two days to realise the import was wrong :(
that sucks, but such is the unfortunate struggle with databinding sometimes
11:45
@MureedHussain welcome! please start by reading the rules of the room room-15.github.io
Thanks @MehdiB.
I have read and understood the rules.
thanks and welcome
WELCOME Mureed!!!!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎊🎊🎊🎊
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Q: Java parsefloat same result on every CPU

sveriI just read about strictfp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strictfp) and the fact that floating / double point operations may yield different results on different CPUs since Java 1.2. Now I wonder if the same is true for Float.valueOf method? I cannot find any source to this. The javadoc for valu...

TIL about Strictfp
12:06
I just saw discussion about ML. Let me summarize the things:
ML involves lot of Math but majority of ML Engineer don't use much of Math. There're Frameworks/Libraries like TensorFlow and others to save you. You just need to know basic of Algebra and Statistics.
The difference between Programming we do and ML is:
In Software development we're given input and we write algorithm/program to produce output.
But in ML input and output is given and job of code is to find the algorithm that can convert input to output.
That's a pretty bad description - both fields cover a lot more than just input/output mappings
Plus, with ML, you aren't usually finding an algorithm, unless you're on the academic side
It's mostly just application of stuff others have already developed
And finding the correct parameters for it
fight
12:13
Point is not to limit the fields just to explain the difference between both
I means that Programming job is to write program that solves problem.
And in ML Model is trained against input and outputs to learn so that it can solve future problems.
Hopefully now above definition make sense.
@grrigore Did Raghav bit you recently?
All these LIES and NO
No, more than suddenly, he hates people.
Or perhaps not suddenly. He is in CS. We all hate the others.
12:33
@MureedHussain eh... not really accurate
That's a way too broad description
in many products classical programming and heuristic programming are parts of the same software.. for X reasons
Hey Mehdi, how are you doing?
1 reason could simply be performances, instead of having something computationally intensive and heavy to test if A = B, I could have a heuristic program that gives me in 30ms the probabily of A being equal to B and I settle on a threshold
@TaseerAhmad good! how are you?
I must consume
Looks like ice cream is available
I have the healthiest eating habits
12:36
Got caught up in a Flu, otherwise good. What kind of ML are you doing these days?
He got the pics
@RaghavSood Still any confusion?
That figure is even less accurate :P
@TaseerAhmad Random forest classification and affinity propagation clustering, finally managed to have everything working now, now... the optimisation part
noice
F
@MureedHussain supervised ML: Labeled input -> training -> model, unlabelled input -> prediction by the previously produced model
Oh, well, I have no idea what kind of things you are doing...yet! I have to catch up a lot :)
there are only 2 problems in supervised learning: regression (predict continuous values such as the price of a property) and classification (predict a class, could be binary: 0 and 1 such as "human / not human" or multi class: such as "dog, cat, squirrel, bear, other"
@TaseerAhmad Get well soon. I'm working on face recognition
12:51
@MureedHussain Thanks, good to know!
nice mureed, what do you use?
Faces, probably
Hopefully eyes
Cameras have issues
And eyes are easily accessible
Most people have two, you can always borrow one
Permanently
Andrew ng said that it turns out that the most important feature in the human face is the eyes (for face detection)
All the better to borrow people's eyes then, you can improve their privacy
How is everybody doing?
12:54
Forcing myself to cover a semester of lectures in a night
Deep metrices learning with tensorflow
@RaghavSood why did you postpone it like that
are you using a pre-trained model or did you create your own?
More efficient to work on useful stuff for the entire semester and cram the night before the final than to do it all throughout
Lunch time!!! :D
13:00
I'm currently trying some pre-trained Models to evaluate accuracy. But will have to create own Model.
@W0MP3R Shh, you're gonna make me hungry again
We're post lunch here, everyone is sleepy
Blood to the belly
anyway, the point is, ML is not hard, everyone in the room should get to it
I'd like to speak to the architect in charge of this project. Having not enough blood to cover all base functions simultaneously seems like a design-flaw
13:07
Yes I agree with @MehdiB.
@MehdiB. It's hard if you want it to be hard
@RaghavSood Nailing it xD
I'm 1/3rd through, and this is a mostly easy course, just networks and security
The two after this are going to be a pain
What courses?
13:19
AI and Crypto
I know nothing
I think I should get into AI and ML some more
The hard part with AI is that they're switching to a computer test for the first time, so you either get it exactly right or get nothing, no more partial marks
Crypto is a formal math course, so just more effort
@RaghavSood what a nerd
nerds
@dev_mg99 Welcome. Please start by reading our room rules --> room-15.github.io
13:46
this guy has a history of not responding
so don't hold your breath
Thanks for the tip, Tim
And he's gone already so, he's gone from the access list
@dev_mg99 removed access for leaving without talking. Feel free to request again if/when you really want to join
He won't get the ping
Only people who spoke within the last 24 (48?) hours get the ping
I know. I still do it so there is a record that I did
It's not my first day :P
Back~~ :3
Hiya cM!!!!! :D
lol cm
14:00
Hey, Womps! How are you?
sup magicman
Yo, CF
Just trying to make things happen
Actually trying to fill out this "spotlight profile" thing for our newsletter I was nominated for. It sounded good at first but half the questions is about how our company is doing in our "cultural goals" or whatever. Which is not the place for that sort of thing because I can't be brutally honest since it's in a company-wide newsletter
Had I known that, I would have declined to do it
14:15
just focus on the progress made, even if insufficient, from A to B, sounds better than we're barely at B when we should have been at Z :D
hmm ok
I know it's just the point that this sort of thing doesn't belong on that platform, imo
@codeMagic sounds like all the crap software you get with freeware :p
I actually had my buddy who is the director of customer service and GM for our location fix it up and write most of that :D
CF, haha basically
There's like a couple parts about me for *my* "spotlight profile"
I said half is about the company stuff but it's more like 85%
@MehdiB. I knew a high rep nerd would jump on it, these are interesting and obscure questions :D
14:19
I filled out this section about "positive energy" in the company. My buddy in CS ended up rewriting it. It was filled with nicotine-less rage. Haha
@MehdiB. Part of moving that high up in the world is simply knowing where to find obscure things :D
indeed :D
lmao cm
wow 554k rep
He responded to me with something like "If I let you send this out, you're going to be talked to" lmao
14:50
Hellooooo bb
heya o/
15:26
lots of fine words
whatup buddy
how you doin
yeah alright alright, mc. M had a productive day gnomesayiii?
how are you? (probably doesn't make sense to ask you that right now, maybe in 6h ? :D)
Not bad so far, got in late because I wanted to sleep an hour extra
Good you were productive
in some rando azure training right now
oh nice, what products?
azure information protection atm
Is kinda neat
15:41
agh
my left eye is crying again
just your left?
yep
more like T_<
that's pretty random
15:42
'cause it hurts
You should go see an optometrist perhaps
I get a feeling like eyes aren't supposed to cry on their own
I think something got inside
or maybe i'm catching a cold
maybe there is a little bug in it trying to burrow into your brain :O
or you know, an eye lash
15:45
no nonononon
my brain has an hyperactive imagination
not worms
bahahahah I'm sorry
I saw a show on parasites once and it had the eye worms and it scarred me for life
yeah basically never go to south america or africa, ever
lol
I work for a power company in Oregon. We have a 1Mvdc line to southern California that's been there since (I believe) the 60's. I asked about how fast electrons travel and was told that the first electrons pushed into the wire in the 60's aren't in California yet. I know that' super inexact but it made an impact. — Bill K yesterday
interesting question and comment

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