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00:05
LIES
hmm
anyone did custom pdf renderers in the past?
00:20
@IvanMilisavljevic Why reinventing the wheel?
well there is no api for displaying PDF's on android
but i need proper pdf, not bitmap drawn on canvas
You can probably print to pdf and then show it in the device document viewer
how doesnt android have a native pdf reader?
@RaghavSood i have to build shitload of tools around the pdf text, so i guess this will not work
@JBis because android is garbage
Best start coding then
00:23
@IvanMilisavljevic is iOS trashier?
hell yeah
the scale goes like this
you might want to use a webview and do the functionality via web app
We need a linux phone
PHP
iOS
Android
@JBis They exist
Purism has one that's supposedly somewhat polished
00:24
@DaveS this is actually the best way to go i think
i think there is already web engine for this stuff
Just write your own
and il just hook up on the js events or something
The PDF spec isn't that bad
@RaghavSood there is ISO and Adobe
and i would have to implement both i guess
Yup
Should only take 2-3 years
00:26
no
add android into the mix and you get like 5
Just port a pdf library from another lang
@DaveS's suggestion is actually a pretty good idea
That's impossible
@JBis in this case it would be easier to rewrite everyting from the ground up
There's probably a hidden trapdoor that will ruin your project if you listen to Dave
00:27
due to android limited support
Android sucks
@RaghavSood im actually doing something similar with daves approach
How about a V8 OS
the entire OS is a browser (aka ChromeOS)
00:29
we have building plans editor ported to android in the simmnilar way
@IvanMilisavljevic Build a ML programming bot and ask it to program the library for you.
One of my keyboards was apparently damaged in transit :(
yeah that could work
@JBis me_irl
00:31
@RaghavSood lool noo
Now they won't give it to me, they're just sitting on the package
I have to study, so I'm sad
I do to, so I don't study
Cs get degrees
I'm actually using the same one right now, but the 104 key model
But it has blue switches, which are too noisy for a small room and apartment with flatmates
00:34
with the numpad?
yeah same
Yeah
I have a brown switch one waiting for pick up in the mailroom
mine has brown
And the red switch was damaged :(
I'm gonna make a jquery extension that reverses all function names $('.class').dinf('.bla').teg()[0]
I'm getting a Cooler Master CK350 with the brown switches
00:36
noice, i dont really like cm products
Cheap > best
true
also mech switches
thats going to last like solid 4-5 years
maybe less
but still
My Logitech Romer G that died 11 days after the warranty ended would like to have a word with you
damn, 2 years warranty?
Fortunately NZ has a strong consumer rights act, so it should be replaceable
1 year
00:39
i have mine for 2 years now
The Romer G key and switch design is prone to breaking easily
Cherry and Cherry clones last longer
Hence all 3 of my replacement keyboards being Cherry or clones
yeah make sense, and browns are like perfect switches
i once used a mac keyboard, and almost had a mental breakdown
I have the Magic Keyboard for the Mac Mini
I use the Logitech K120... fite me
i just cant get used to it
00:42
I don't mind it, but prefer a proper switch for long term use
Since I only use the Mac for occasional builds, it works well enough
mac keyboards are awful
The old ones are fine
The scissor ones are terrible
Fortunately those are restricted to the inbuilt keyboards
rubber dome over membrane, low cost, reliable
00:44
and yet there are shitloads of hipi developers coding on the macs and those shity keyboards and 13' monitors
Mac works well enough
Would recommend a Mac to newbies over linux
01:30
I'm on a mac
02:54
LIES
03:18
I have mac in my windows
@RaghavSood Why would you use a fruit as a keyboard? Seems a bit ridiculous if you ask me
@TristanWiley The same reason we welcome you here despite your abandoning us and providing no value - that is to say, illogical thought processes
04:08
Good morning everyone. :)
05:03
@SujeetKumar Welcome! Please read, confirm reading, and follow the room rules before you do anything else: room-15.github.io
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05:15
hi
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The brown switches are nice
Definitely a lot quieter
05:37
@bluetoothfx , @RaymondArteaga. :D :D
05:56
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!!! :D
Greetings, person-who-told-me-how-to-get-free-games-without-waiting-for-me-to-acquire-sufficient-keyboards-so-that-I-now-suffer-with-impatience
@Arsalan You need at least 80 rep and a 4:3:q:a ratio or better to get access here
You are very welcome :D
I was so close, too. The keyboard made it all the way to my city before being marked as damaged in transit and sent back :(
ow :(
\o
wait free games where
06:05
Epic Games
W0MP3R is buying, just tell her what you want
Hiya person-who-doesn't-aswer-his-phone-messages-so-he-misses-important-stuff!!
>.<
I have four keyboards now, and five computers
Do you guys see the problem here
i don't have data anymore
no problem
Out of which, one is too noisy, one is broken, and one is terrible for typing on
06:06
temviewer one of them
Ergo, I must wait to play games, lest I have to go to the effort of moving the USB cable from my laptop's monitor to the gaming desktop's monitor when I want to play games
And that's just an unreasonable expectation
@W0MP3R i lost phone data
x'D
T^T
06:07
so i'm you in college, thriving for wifi
well, in that case, i'll forgive my unreasonable grudge against you 'cause you have an excuse
basically symio sent me a message = we will charge every roaming MB at 1€ unless you top your current data expenditure with data spent in spain phisically
@KaushikBurkule Welcome! Please read, confirm reading, and follow the room rules before you do anything else: room-15.github.io
@Arsalan No.
:O
so, you have to look for a german company now?
data spent on roaming lsat 3 months <= data spent on spain return else fineEric()
yup
and all are expensiver than in spain
so i got a cheapo one
06:10
@Arsalan My apologies, somehow you keep getting rejected when you should be getting rejected. Banned.
but it must arrive
brutal
you keep getting rejected when you should be getting rejected xD
Can't help people who can't help themselves
remembers me to sorry, i'm allergic to bullshit questions
As soon as an investigation has been initiated, we will provide you with an update.

Thank you for your patience, and please let us know if you have any questions.
Kindest regards,

Moses
Dick Support
06:12
shouldn't it be: you should be getting banned???
Greetings!
I feel like they need to work on their signature
Hiya Ragunandan!!!! :D
🤣🤣
06:13
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Richard Moses,
Dick Spport
would be bettah
Dick's Dick
@KaushikBurkule Access revoked for failing to read the rules, come back after a minimum of 24 hours.
hi womp!
that bird always cracks me up x'D
06:16
Morning
Hiya Ronak!!!! :D
that bird is my spirit animal
what's the name of the bird
That bird is my dinner
Regretis Vulgaris
06:18
raghav is a hunter?
If they didn't want us to eat them, they wouldn't be made out of food
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#OmnivorePower
hello
07:09
Shall I have pizza or people for dinner
07:27
people
08:12
hi o/
@CptEric I love this
09:26
to perpetuate the stereotype
today paella
You ever use the existing filesystem on a usb drive to copy an iso that you're going to overwrite that drive with?
Sort of like making it dig its own grave
like eating yourself
I think it knows, it's been copying stuff for 8 minutes
So here is a list with what I've worked gist.github.com/grrigore/88908dcc0f45019451be439529727258 can you recommend me something I shall read about or learn in-depth?
What do you want to do?
09:40
OFC I'm not a pro in all of these, but I can work with them so I assume I'll get better with experience
But what is your end goal in life?
Well I want to be able to write an android app by myself
In life? Hmm spreading love and happiness
Ok then you're done, go home and sleep
No, seriously am I missing something important?
Depends on what kind of app you want to build
For most apps, you should be fine
09:42
And for something bigger? Something large scale?
@grrigore Databinding
Like what
Does that have to do with android in general?
IDK something like Facebook, Instagram let's say
I've used some databinding too. forgot about it :D
Workers, Firebase
WorkManagers?
09:44
Yes
I've used a job scheduler and read something about them but didn't really implement something big
I think I can handle a scenario with them
@grrigore Then you're missing large amounts of large scale system engineering experience
Hope this is useful for all If are visiting first time.
At that level, you're not really doing android dev anymore
09:46
@PratikButani Thank you, I'll have a look
@RaghavSood I thought about that, I think it's more server-side business
@RaghavSood On which domain you are working right now?
@grrigore Not really - even if you treat Fb/instagram as a bunch of JSON APIs, just the breadth of the things your app needs to do to consume them exceeds regular app dev
For instance, Facebook was one of the first ones to hit dex limit issues simply because of their codebase size
They ended up writing their own native library to handle multidex while google figured it out
hahahaha nerds
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You'll run into similar issues at almost every layer
@PratikButani Mostly crypto stuff
So with what shall I start regarding large scale apps? Any recommendation?
09:49
It's not something you can really study for, mostly just experience with running into issues no one/few people have before
Until you hit that stage, just keep going
Yes, but I suppose you don't build a large scale app the same way you do with a regular app
Essentially, yes, the planning process and architecture are very different
The app itself will act a lot like a set of servers and clients
In a large scale app, things like event bus, cache layer etc. will all be handled by individual teams which expose a specific API that other parts of the app use
@RaghavSood Nice, What about android? Do you have any apps on playstore?
@PratikButani I hope not, I haven't accepted any of their agreement updates in like 4 years, they should have kicked me out by now
so modularization
trying to separate things should work
09:52
Mostly being able to plan for usecases before you need to rewrite the whole thing
Modularization is the end implementation, but the architecting will go beyond it
There's probably more app-specific stuff I don't know, I never built a huge app
@RaghavSood Oh Okay. So are you working from New Zealand
?
Carl or one of the actual professional devs would be a better person to answer that
I want to start with some basics functionalities and if it works and so on I'd like to add more features
But I have built large scale systems outside of app dev
I work from wherever I am, location isn't usually important
What kind of systems?
09:54
I mean you are from New Zealand.
a huge app is just a collection of small apps
I'll start with some uml and planning stuff I guess + some in-depth documentation
I mostly work on large scale backend systems for now, data ingestion, processing, search, etc. for blockchains, security in that space
UML is a waste of time for apps
it never goes as planned
I don't do it properly xD
just to have some things in mind
uml sketches
09:58
@TimCastelijns Exactly :P In my 6 years of experience I have never ever create UML :P
I managed to do an unfinished android, angular and node.js server system this year and I really enjoyed the process of documentation and architecture and I think I did quite good assuming I had no previous experience with this
So I'd like to start working on an idea I want to publish someday
@PratikButani mindmap ftw
:D
@TimCastelijns Your profile is nice on SO. Glad to see you.
I have a girlfriend
9
he uses a dog as a chick magnet
why would someone magnet little chickens?
10:05
To make them cross the road
@TimCastelijns :D :D
I am engaged :P
nerdin arround
10:21
my net connection is so slow now
it was all fine in the morning.
10:34
all fine now.
you are so lost without internet connection
That's not strictly true
If you are moving slower than your goal is moving away from you, you should give up and aim for something else
Raghav, Raghav that's so 21st century
We were talking about slow internet connection
@grrigore I'll should forward this to my landlord, confucius said I could pay the rent with 6 months delay as long as I pay :D
Go for it
10:42
fortunately, I'm not really into these motivational quotes :D
Then send him this
It will help
@MehdiB. me neither, but you can get something out of these, I guess..
a wise man once said: Those who take a joke just as a joke, and seriousness seriously, they have actually understood both poorly
@FrancescoDS You need at least 80 rep and a 4:3 questions:answers ratio or better to get access to the room
11:16
I have acquired USB drivers
Soon, I shall upgrade
What for?
Security reasons
@TimCastelijns rofl
Why did you change working code? — Kayaman 30 secs ago
11:54
what does that mean?
I cannot stop shaking my left leg after this coffee
tape it to the floor
or pour concrete over it and wait for it to dry
you will die though, so probably option 1 is better
The knee is the problem
remove it
That sounds like a lifetime solution
it really is
12:29
@TimCastelijns @grrigore @RaghavSood see this user can ask this type of question too stackoverflow.com/q/58134544/1318946
already downvoted it
aaand it's gone
12:51
waves fist at bitrise
13:40
this room has known livelier days
godess
Good morning fellas
hello there
So I ended up going on a date last night with the girl that cancelled 6 times in a row LOL
7th time the charm I guess
13:55
was it worth the 6 cancellations?
yeah
it was the best date I've been on in 2 years lol
glad to hear that bb :)
yeah we really clicked, and she was like 10/10
insanely pretty LOL and she messaged me FIRST after the date saying she wanted to do another, so, so far so good!
14:00
nice
^^ tyy
Now just gotta not get too ahead of myself lol :D
how's everyone's friday going
@ballBreaker damn dude two cancellations and I'm out
@eski same actually
But my gut never told me this girl was playing games and all the excuses were genuine, so I gave her more chances and eventually was just honest and said straight up if she cancels again it's ovah
pro tip: installing xcode for the 13th time isn't as much fun as you would think
14:14
check your os? :p
so it's negative one million fun?
I did. My os is still there
approximately
that is a lot of negative fun
14:30
I turned on Shuffle Stations on pandora. BIG mistake. lol
o/
CMMM always with weird issues
and here comes maukerman
o/
hey ahm
yo ahmad
14:35
Sep 17 at 20:46, by Ahmad
are you also annoyed by how often the mcdonalds ice cream machine is broken
I scraped all mcdonalds locations in the US and in germany and reverse engineered their mobile ordering api
turns out around 5-12% of the ice cream machines are broken every day by 10pm
you could do that?
are you that fond of mcdonald's ice creams?
i can do everything
no i'm just bored
I'm sitting on a data set of 40k mcdonalds restaurants
watch out for a blog post soon
and a real time is-my-ice-cream-machine-broken checker
i'd never do that
that's basically doing work for a corporations for free
what the f is CodeSearchNet
millenials smh... always refusing to be exploited by businesses...
death to capitalism the only way forward is a meme based economy
the funniest person gets the most food
14:45
lol
for any of you apple/iOS shills
bootROM jailbreak from iPhone 4s to iPhone X
Wonder how many jailbroken iPhones are going to be running android now lol
@W0MP3R just found this and for SOME reason thought you would like it LOL
why would you jailbreak your iphone
if you want a phone with freedomâ„¢ you'd get an android
lmao that vid is so cute
right? hahaha
so random but so wholesome
hehe
o/
Hey all
Sorry I haven't been around
14:59
It's okay we didn't notice
😉 jk o/ welcome back
heyo adam!

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