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don't apologize, your ruling is absolute
I don't think he reaaaally apologized
@TimCastelijns XD
should I do the aettestup to completely apologize?
I suggest a holmgang. The survivor gets RO as well as the girlfriend and real estate of the loser
I second the motion for holmgang
20:11
he has tons of real estate investments, sounds fair
really struggling with this one, man
it's from Norseman
hahah yeah I opened it the first time
Just been getting entertainment watching you try to one-box it
yeah, doesn't look like they support mp4s in gif format
20:14
Yeah it's usually as a gifv (or is it vgif?)
Ugh, new MAF (mass air flow) sensor came in from the US, of course they sent it by fucking UPS
Getting charged levies/tax on delivery :\
I'm gunna get shafted for sure
Would probably be cheaper for me to send it to Dave and send him money to mail it to me lol
@TaseerAhmad AS 3.6 has some performance issues
lol
@IvanMilisavljevic I'm using it, no performance issues here
@IvanMilisavljevic I think there might be a blue pill for that
@ballBreaker Eclipse?
Or MS Word? :D
did you guys try to apply for jobs @uber?
20:27
There is no try, only procrastinate
true
i wanted to apply for some android positions
than i saw this
this is next level stuff
my buddy works at uber in their self driving car department
I never bothered applying to them though, I hate job applications and I get the feeling all the giants have probably the worst most tedious processes of them all
Looking back though, I've been extremely lucky to get 3 separate jobs now, each of them not requiring a coding interview with a white board
yeah, thats the reason i really have no interest to send a cv
i cant be bothered to spend like 4 months to prepare for interviews
20:34
technical coding interviews give me cancer of the soul
i guess il find another startup to build up
"So you've given me a linked node list and you want me to do a bubble sort on it....from scratch?....why...just..why?"
@ballBreaker same, I don't want to be a cog in the machine
hello o/
20:37
@TimCastelijns I don't blame you!
there are couple of benefits thought, you can learn a lot and generally you have smaller amounts of stress (or at least thats how i see those big companies)
just flex your So rep timmy
#import sorter.py
sorter.bubbleSort(linkedList)
also your contributions don't matter in the grand scheme of things, at least that's how I see it
i had find max value on my last interview
20:38
@DaveS "oh no, you can't use any predefined functions. Start over." "Also, that's python? Yeah, no, sorry it has to be in brainfuck"
so i conveniently used .maxBy{} :D
@TimCastelijns you're right, unless you do R&D, but people usually join them for the reference on the CV
@ballBreaker any operator is a predefined function so bear with me while I define a new CPU instruction set, but first I need to define a new language so you can understand it
@DaveS for me this is completely valid solution
@IvanMilisavljevic I think the larger the company the less you learn, typically
20:39
if anyone is to send me this, i would accept it
I once got a dp question
@ballBreaker well im not sure, i've never worked in big systems
were you applying to be a pornstar?
@DaveS "oh don't worry, we have time" sits and stares at you struggling in front of a white board for 7 days
20:40
for an internship
that was so weird
big systems as in big organizations
cool photos Dave
I think it would be weird to be asked about dp in any job interview
@IvanMilisavljevic Yeah I guess I just mean in general.. the most I learned was at my first company where I had an entire project from start to finish by myself
The next company which was a few sizes up, it was like "here work on this very specific piece of this project"
20:42
So really in 3 months of an entire project vs 3 months of a small piece of a larger project, I learned less off the latter
yeah that's what I love about my current job
@Ahmad dp?
startups are where there is the most learning, since you're shirt staffed and have to work on everything, but also where there's the most of stress
new projects all the time
i was forced to be teach lead in my previous company
so i had to learn a lot of stuff, in really shor amount of time
20:42
Yeah that's all I was trying to get at with learning less from big companies..because you get more pigeonholed
and now im not a techlead, but im doing shitloads of other things besides android
I'll probably just try to phase myself out of programming by the time I have to do another interview so I never have to do a white board interview again
and its super stressful, i need some time off
Instead I'll do an interview where I just tell other people to work on a whiteboard (aka management)
haha so you want to be a PM
:D
20:44
@DaveS The animations at the bottom are amazing
Honestly, I'd probably just want to be an architect, it sounds like the best of all worlds
You get to exercise a bit of creativity, tell people what to do, and not really code all that much if you don't want to
You do all the fun parts of a project with little to none of the shitty parts
I expect an architect to be a beast in programming just as much as a business guy
hahahah yeah exactly, but an architect at least needs a ton of experience (typically) to support their role
a beast that is paid too much to program
20:46
@IvanMilisavljevic niceee like?
If they forget 99% of it, then meh, they're not the ones coding it hahaha
ios? web dev?
or a beast who programs that weird module no one knows how to approach
my dad hated it when he retired
@ColdFire system architecture, devops, scaling, analytics, biz dev, product dev
20:46
I just want to pay enough of my debt off to start my food truck business (I'm just kidding)
he straddled the security clearance boundaries of all the sub teams so they were all trying to work together but he was the only one who know what was going on and all he did was write emails explaining interfaces
didn't really get to code or plan
@IvanMilisavljevic nicee
yikes
I absolutely hate documentation too, and I imagine that is a LOT of architecture jobs
@DaveS i worked with 2 kinds of architects: powerpoint architects, and architects who would do everything up to integrations no one dares to touch
well by new 10x developers standard
20:48
I just want to basically be paid 3x what every one else makes and do like 0% of the work
apparently nobody reads documentations anyway
@ballBreaker just get rich and live off us treasury bond interest
@ballBreaker check "enterprise architecture" not software architecture
@ballBreaker in that case, you should start cooking meth
Yeah I just want to win the lottery and invest 90% of it and live off dividends for the rest of my life
Is that so much to ask
20:49
Yes.
domination asserted twice
Well I'm going to try it anyways just to spite you, and I've never bought a lottery ticket
I hope my spite ticket is a winner
I mean.. move out of Ontario
housing in .. say .. NB is like 30% what it is here
20:50
well well well, look who it is
rlemon hitting with the big true true
I've considered it
leave Ontario, magically become rich
a wild rlemon appears
problem is the only place I would wanna go is just as jakked as we are for housing market
You aren't even in the most expensive of it either!
20:51
BC
You're still over in the tri-city right?
@ballBreaker KW has increased 200% in 4 years
well. my house has 😉
💵
or move to Belgrade and pay like 300E for rent
Yeah, that's what I thought lmao
500 with all other stuff
20:52
@rlemon but do you get comparable pay in other cities?
@ballBreaker probably my favorite thread so far twitter.com/naval/status/1002103360646823936?lang=en
yes
Maybe I'll just take my $100 in my savings account and move to Bolivia and be a king
Guatemala apparently.
co worker goes there often for vacation with his wife
says you could retire there with 20K CAD and live like a king
Iran has a weak currency and I hear they love canadians
all of those places are too hot for me
Damn, Guatemala...gotta remember that for my retire young AKA in the next 2 days retirement plan
@DaveS what if they mistook you for muricans?
@DaveS can confirm they love Canadians actually
At least the ones I've met
cf don't discourage bb from going
20:54
@ColdFire impossible. americans don't wear as much denim
im off boiz
Ciao Ivan!
cya Ivan
20:55
sorry
Yeah I wish half of my pay cheque didn't go to rent, but I heard I'm actually quite lucky with what I pay for my area
Which makes me sick
The place beside me just vacated of tenants and it went up for >$500 a month more than mine
Identical unit, but the finishing is actually much worse on their unit than mine
Noooo idea how any single person could afford to live there...it's going to either be an entire indian family including grand parents, cousins, or a couple
@carl dp = dynamic programming
yea. to be able to buy this house I lived in some shithole low income area of KW for a bit. rent was $1000 all inclusive.
now I have a stupid mortgage and increasing property taxes
I had to build a matrix and optimize stock trading
Nice man, that's smart. I mean I thought all of KW was a shithole low income area though
lol jk
20:59
yea I wish.
so much tech here now. average home price is like $600K
sup 🍋
Yea it's been steadily building for quite some time now eh
@Ahmad oh right. I still haven't used that for anything.
no one has
Facebook still asks them tho
took a huge jump like 3 years ago and every thought it would bubble off and pop
it ... almost did? then didn't
and now this is the new norm
21:00
Yeah 3 years...it was pretty close, yea
It seems to have mostly plateau'd in Toronto at least as far as I can tell, I'm guessing now it's the surrounding area that's feeling it
@Ahmad what to optimize?
Aight. Well it's been nice Android. We should do this again soon.
I still expect it to crash
Later
Will probably happen in 2020 with everything else
cya man
21:01
Cya
So how about that 2020 market crash, y'all prepared or what?
don't have much which value could be impacted :D
I've taken the bulk of my retirement savings out of domestic stocks, this economy seems poised for a recession
Yeah that's smart
I moved my pension into just pure cash equivalents for the time being
@rlemon you still around?
curse this metal body, I wasn't fast enough
Someone let Raghav hack Carl's account
21:12
I bet I'm 40 years younger than you Carl
I'll take that bet
@InsurgentPointerException out of nowhere XD
@DaveS and win it too.
inside info
21:16
oh boy I am not sleeping today
Sleeping is weird
I did a nice 20 min arms workout, made myself a nice hot coffee
Now I am going to farm some SO points
Sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stack overflow points
sorry my comparison was a little weak there
its always easier to get SO points if you're sleep deprived
it's always easier to browse open SO questions if you're somewhat delirious
21:19
We talked about it, BB, I am not doing it again
You're not sleeping again?
Yes
Sometimes, I do google searches to come up with answers and they get accepted. Its a win win situation for everyone. They get the answer, I learn new stuff and get few points
we probably have very different google search histories
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Would you be comfortable letting a stranger read through your google search history with no additional context provided? (You also have to be in the same room as them as they look through the searches)
21:21
> It isn’t clear how long humans can truly survive without sleep. But it is clear that extreme symptoms can begin in as little as 36 hours. This includes a reduced ability to think, poor decision-making, and speech impairment.
I feel like this would be a genius segment on a tv show, and I should do it and become youtube famouz
Actually, It's not like I don't sleep at all. If I don't sleep at night, I do fragmented sleeping sessions at day, so everything's good
@ballBreaker Yes
achktually
Sign #1: watching videos on programming
21:23
^
I used to watch his videos
But then I lost interest
I keep expecting myself NOT to understand this guy's accent, but I do
like he speaks 99% properly
I found someone else who can actually talk better, he is called Joshua Fluke
but that 1% keeps making me think he is mangling words, but he's not
21:26
if you're impatient, move to the last point, pretty funny :D
approximate time stamp?
lmfao his video description is hilarious
> It's this nauseating scent of prepubescent fear and putrid sweat that experienced engineers can identify simply by reviewing your garbage code. The first step is to recognize the problem (you) and to admit that you need some serious help.
-2min I think :D
@ballBreaker XD
Is it the arrogance point?
"Respect your tech lead"
Am I the only one who can't concentrate without having some ambient sound, maybe even people talking or even an extremely light music?
21:29
ah okay the next point, just on that now
lmao wht a dick
love it
XD
I would work on this guy's team anytime! XD
I feel like he goes home with printed off sheets of code and beats his wife with them
no parachuting, no skyscrapers climbing, you'll get all the adrenaline you need from a boss like that, always having your job and self esteem on the edge
21:35
there is also this guy youtube.com/watch?v=Pb3AAfz5Yjg who gives advices but with more detour
@TaseerAhmad I actually need less passive sound to stay concentrated, if it's too ambient or light I get too distracted, and absolutely NO to people talking
I saw one of his video where he was describing his 'experiences' with smart watches xD
It has to be basically stressful music and something most people would find way too distracting
That's why metal is so good for me for working
I'm definitely odd in that sense though and I attribute it to my adhd
21:38
@ballBreaker You are odd
Asian career path:
1. Doctor
2. Engineer
3. Family disgrace.
That is 110% not false :D
that youtube comment made me LOL
I respect that dude's hustle, the amount of merch and absolute BS he sells in his video descriptions is insane
There's like 25 associate links and links to webpages to buy his shit
I am filled to the brim with disgust and respect
and on that note, I'm out for the evening, ciao fellas o/
21:42
Cya
bai
@IvanMilisavljevic Is there something I can do to reduce the suffering?
But mine is 3.4.x not 3.6
21:55
quick way to isolate programs from OS
Just in case your morning coffee doesn't do the trick
just click the link, provide your bank accounts and tax numbers and you're good to go
nevermind the suspicious browser extension installed by one of 50 tabs open
how can you manage all those tabs? I get frustrated with 10 tabs
The link didn't ask for any of my details, actually
Just asked if a bunch of people were friends
I said you were my best friend, Dave
perfect
They said they will send a team to keep you secure shortly
And that you must comply with all orders
Resistance is futile
finally I'll get to meet the Donald
They said they'll keep you very safe
No one will ever find you
22:19
I see that you're a rainbow brite fan
I've had it there for years, I think I got it from this room
It doesn't work anymore
probably Tristan
23:06
@DaveS the duck, the Mc. or the Trump?
23:30
How often do you guys use data structures? (except array lists)
23:47
@RaymondArteaga the frog

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