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16:00
@AdamMc331 ok that was dark XD
the only field I let myself say something similar about is Motivational speaking
@AdamMc331 lol, and simulatneously screw yours?
the ads i've got to see probably have paid atleast one of your monthly rents.
bb
capitalizing on depressed people willing to improve themselves to sell them dreams and generic solutions that don't work and make them more depressed
16:04
1 hour ago, by CptEric
> You are what you eat. Do you want to be vegetable or human?
It seems I'm a cannibal too Raghav
@RaghavSood thanks. Exactly this. I profoundly despise motivational speakers
FOOD TIME
@MehdiB. As much as I loved the Bay Area, I found this type of mindset super common there (dunno if @Ahmad sees that). The more I spent time with people, the more everyone talked about how hard it is and how to hustle all the time and side work and all that
I mean, I'm not against side projects, I have plenty myself. But more often than not, I found people talking about their struggle more than actually working on not having that struggle anymore
Now, I just mostly tune out people who take that approach to life
@Mauker lol
16:08
and then they discover burnouts and a year (or more) of recovery with 0 productivity
I made a conscious choice to not post on Facebook/instagram/linkedin/whatever about how hard it is to build my side projects/projects
Most reasonable things are hard to build
Don't need to go on talking about it
And I can see how easy it would be to slip into that mindset once you start
this mindset is a scam, and motivational speakers are con artists, as simple as that, they just prey on people and teach them about success, when they were nobody with 0 success story before this scam business
@Mauker mauker plz
I agree, and sadly it seems to be very prevalent in most circles, especially among the younger folks
Seeing it a lot in crypto since last year too
To the point where I only bother browsing SE crypto sites or bitcointalk's technical forums, because most other forums are just people talking about how hard crypto is and how much they struggle to make a profit, or political nonsense
I have entire facebook groups full of the same people who are starting a new "venture" every other week, convinced it'll be the one that works out, and then spending the next week talking about how hard it is and how no one understands them
^8th post on my newsfeed right now
I spent 5 years of my life trying to "work hard in your startup to succeed", and it failed everytime :D my conclusion is if you want to have chances of succeeding, get yourself a good solid team this way no one gets to suck all the pressure and load
16:14
And it's not posted ironically
then fail fast, and decide whether it's worth it to continue or not
If you want to succeed, spend more time struggling, and less time talking about struggling
Or listening to other people talking about struggling, for that matter
and don't be dumb, when your struggle gives 0 results, don't stay on it 10 years full of debts and health problems, just stop
Eh, I'd say that depends a lot on what you're doing
A decade of struggling could very well pay off in certain areas
could*
16:17
But yeah, if your Angry Bird ripoff isn't profitable in six months, you should probably move on
For something like machine learning etc., a slow burn of 10 years might be what you need to actually make breakthrough progress
Of course, you likely don't want to be doing it alone
And want a team that is fairly skilled and committed backing you up
But yes, recognizing when to give up is important
now to be realistic, who's willing to give you 10y of their life for an uncertain result?
No one, usually people who struggle that long still have a minimal amount of funding to pay people
that's actually the key!
It's still a struggle based on the amount of work/obstacles you have to go through, but you absolutely need a base to keep people around
being in en environment where getting funding is very accessible is different than 99% of the rest of the world :D
16:19
I'm struggling to find a method to download an image from an URL as a byte array. Any suggestions? I searched on the internet, but I didn't found something that works..
I'll let you know after December :D
I really hope you get it! :D
Pretty much any stream reader library should return a bytestream of some sort
Which is basically everything that reads anything in any language on any platform
I'm actually so averse to that type of mindset that I'm aiming for only minimal funding, ideally avoiding VCs/Angel investors altogether
I don't want that overhead
they're great, as they give you an exposure and consulting you won't find elsewhere
Sure, but I don't currently need that
16:22
but it comes with a price of the "when will you start being profitable" pressure
I would much rather raise a minimal amount of funding from sane sources
And once I have an actual, functional system, I can go for a larger round and deal with that overhead then
My current plan is to reach out to a handful of people I know personally
you'll hear a business developer and CFO to deal with them at that point :D
And use proceeds from that to build up an initial system, then sell that to the base set of clients
Once that is in place, I should technically be able to operate at a net 0 cost
Where revenue covers base costs
One can work out expansion after that
Seeing as I will, at most, need a couple of other people to get to that stage
And tying yourself to a fund or investor group for that low an output doesn't seem worth it
Can I use Glide or Picasso to achieve that?
16:25
Getting a byte array
Image libraries will likely aim to convert it to an image
I want to store the images in a room database
you can easily use a normal input stream and read its bytes
But, if you're already using those, you should be able to get the bitmap and dump it to file
Your options are to either load the file using regular IO classes, then pass it to whatever you use to display images
btw, targeting chinese VCs in this period and under the current climate is a good idea, they're trying hard to get into the international game to compete with US VCs
16:26
Or to use picasso/glide to handle download and display, and then pull a bitmap later
@MehdiB. One step at a time :D. I have some positive support from a few US ones, and Singapore means accessing Chinese ones is slightly easier
This thing just KOes me..
Nice, Raghav :D
The thing is I realistically only need, at most, 10k or so a month to get this going
Which is negligible in terms of funding
So there is a reasonable chance I can get that much while avoiding VC/angel overhead altogether
And most of that 10k is server costs, so if an Azure/AWS/GCP grant works out like you mentioned, I may even be able to do it with no additional funds
Is this @ColumnInfo(typeAffinity = ColumnInfo.BLOB) private byte[] poster; the proper way to declare the poster array in order to store in the Room database?
16:37
Poetry for programmers #CodeChef #ProgrammersHumour
here is the GCP one cloud.google.com/developers/startups you just apply there
Yup, will be doing that once paperwork is sorted out
CF can't just requisition some datacenter from HCL or some similar company?
I don't know if trading VC overhead for monarchal overhead is the right call :D
😂😂😂
he's at 75k messages here, now imagine how many messages you'd have if he had invested in your company :D
16:44
I've really love to just boostrap this, but I can't afford $$$$ in servers lol
@MehdiB. ?
what didn't you understand
He's confused on the whole requisition process
He already owns it all
i have no idea what you are talking about
There, he agrees with me
16:45
@AdamMc331 explain
yeah, "oh so what I'm already doing has a name? :O"
!mauker
Mauker, plz.
> If people in authority requisition a vehicle, building, or food, they formally demand it and take it for official use.
this is what a requisition is
16:48
i mean i have no idea what this whole conversation is about
and where am i in this
i was away
We apologize for distracting you from your royal matters
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I just thought you'd help a fellow indian bootstrapping his business, I was wrong, sorry
16:50
> Breaking news: After wiping out most of the world, Skynet stops at India to salute the royal family
i am currently looking to start my own company i dont think i will be able to help raghav with that, he is anyway more rich than me
Bro I'm consuming people because it works out to $2.5 a meal instead of actual food
Also because this damned city hasn't got late night food sorted out
lol you could get food here 24/7
But I'm not in India
Fortunately, I will be in Singapore at the end of this week
yeah i know was just telling :D
16:53
a services company or working on building a product?
Raghav is everywhere
a service i would say
nice, good luck
What kind of product
a tax collector SaaS based product
16:55
lol^
wait i dont think it qualify as a product
I have no idea what that's supposed to do
if you don't know what to qualify your company with, it just means you're not serious yet about it
My company qualifies itself as an Apache Attack Helicopter
and how do you qualify it?
I simply repeat the above, would you really want to argue with a sentient attack helicopter on what it wants to identify as?
17:03
fair point warning :D
I can now only assume that you have been compromised by the company and were trying to test me
Can't confirm nor deny such a bold claim
Idk why I'm getting this: android.view.InflateException: Binary XML file line #17: Error inflating class TextView
I'm trying to use "setError()" on an edittext
17:10
because you are Mauker
what do you have on your textview xml?
@CarlAnderson But you're using Log.e() for that right? Not System.out or anything like that
let me check if I even have one
(Still can't figure it out()
The layout is successfully inflated
17:11
I imagine the actual error text requires inflating a new textview to show, and that's failing
post you xml -_-
Why so upset Ray
-----------------------------------^
might've found something
wait
That's not an upset face, but a Japanese guy one
17:13
lmao
lol racist
raycist
Japanese guys are analytic and focused
lmao mauker
That's a compliment, not a racist comment
17:14
chill dude i was jk
I would be proud of being Japanese
they invent funny and useful stuff
Don't forget about weird too
lol true
I've heard in other countries racism is a hot topic
In my country racism is a funny topic
I've heard in other countries racism is a hot topic
its a funny topic here too
racism is a hot topic in west
17:16
@RaymondArteaga that's racist and certainly not "funny"
Are you Japanese?
I am not
@RaymondArteaga Be that as it may, when in a public forum on the internet where people can come from anywhere, you should err on the side of caution
diversity is a good stuff -_-
17:18
yeah also whether mehdi is a japanese or not is not really relevant
I am not either, and I don't need to be one to point a racist comment
they should be proud of having their distinctive characteristics
he could be apache helicopter and it wouldn't make a difference
meh... -_- then I shut up
It wasn't a racist comment but... I will shut my mouth off -_-
Just for the record I'm not racist -_-
and that's an upset face
I know you're not
17:28
Did you solved the magical shellextension problem?
It vanished
Did you used garlic and black chicken blood as I told you?
17:34
@Graeme correct.
Aha, it's stormy outside
The infernal sun thing can't get to me now
are you allergic to garlic?
hmm... maybe you have some mutation that's making you stronger
President @BarackObama doesn't have time for these 7 excuses not to vote. https://t.co/2Etpm6taTq
17:37
@TimCastelijns it takes hundreds of years to perfect my level of humor.
Wah :(
What the heck am I doing wrong that I don't see my Logs...
Oh, interesting. If I do log in @before it works... But not if I log inside my IdlingResource
I'm not sure we log inside of one of those.
Grrr. That's the only place I have a problem! :D
17:44
Do you have a custom idling resource?
public class NetworkIdlingResource implements IdlingResource
apparently
and it has a log statement inside it
Ragh!
not sure if it's used or not - we have 3 SDETs on our team that write and maintain the Espresso tests
Do you know if your CUT in some way calls the callback?
I basically have to wait for a boolean to become true
And I thought it would be as easy as returning it in isIdleNow()
But the logs in there aren't firing so... either I've screwed something up or Logs don't work in there
17:48
I'm not sure. I'm running a test that I hope calls that code, to see.
Thank you
2018-10-31 10:50:51.566 14185-14185/com.starbucks.mobilecard I/NetworkIdlingResourceForUiTests: Volley, is Idle now..
so yes, we're able to log inside a custom IdlingResource class
Then my IdlingResource isn't just not working, it's not being called
that seems like a correct assumption
Let me refactor this to test my assumption of the API
No, I must be doing something wrong
Oh balls, new network means pastebin is blocked
17:55
new network?
Yeah, we switched to locked down machines
To keep all the secrets safe
The fact I can write anything I want in here sort of belies it's effectiveness :P
Dunno the point of locked down machines unless you're in finance or healthcare
Even we don't lock down our machines
Servers, sure, dev machines, nope
I work at a bank :)
I'm using my personal machine as-is
Ah, fair game then
Lock away
I have acquired coffee
I can't even log into email to send you stuff
17:59
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@Graeme We just enforce a very clear separation between production access and everything else
Doesn't really matter if you exfil anything else, but prod is essentially a black box for most people
Bugger it
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Q: IdlingResource isn't being registered

GraemeI've created a very simple IdlingResource implementation but for some reason I can't find why it isn't being called. public class IdlingResourceTest { private boolean idle = true; @Rule public ExternalResource rule = new ExternalResource() { @Before public void before() { Idl...

If you give me an answer I'll change the question to make sure it's asking the right thing
Ak, meeting, brb
@Graeme have you tried calling this?
IdlingRegistry.getInstance().register(networkIdlingResource);
oh I see that you are, nvm
we call that register during the rule's starting function instead of in before
18:15
the formatting on your ticket is super hard to follow fwiw
oh I partially read it wrong
Hah
Back
In what way is the formatting hard to follow?
Carl - So whatever I'm doing wrong isn't super obvious then I guess :/
no, but I have never used one of these
what is an ExternalResource ?
Just a rule ancestor
we are using public TestRule watcher = new TestWatcher() instead
18:31
Whelp, that fixed it
... Not sure wether happy or angry
TestWatcher is a much more involved class
ExternalResource is a much more lightweight version of it... but why is one working and the other not...
Has anyone ever used a spannablestring to adjust the baseline of a portion of text?
adam no
you know what a subscript span might do what I want even though it's a little weird but will try
well gl
fuck. I'm working from home today and forgot I made lunch plans at the office with an old friend.
18:43
ProTip: Live on an entirely different continent from your colleagues so that never happens
that's not what I wanted ugh
Well, lesson learned. You cant register IdleResources in ExternalResource rules. No idea why, but,
Carl - I know your pain, I was meant to be working from home today but was so burnt out yesterday I forgot to take my laptop home.
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18:49
@AdamMc331 custom metricaffectingspan?
@Raghunandan maybe, I'll look into it
Do you have an example somewhere?
back
@Graeme I can't find any documents explaining why it's working for one without the other. I'd like to do an official answer on your SO question but want to know why first
18:57
I've put an answer, but I'll delete mine if you're going to put a real one on there
give me some time to talk to one of our SDETs to see if he knows
Okay - I have no idea
I've looked into the source code of both and they look like they're identical in terms of function if not implementation
@Raghunandan Also I saw your PR, thanks for that. I'll take a look in the next day or two, but if not I'm open this weekend to catch up on it. :)
no problem. take your time. i just had free time to work on some open source projects.
19:15
oh wow, google search is down for me
Works here
gasp
cya guys. GN!.
19:19
Night!
@Graeme my SDET doesn't even know what ExternalResource is
Hahah, I don't know where I got it from
I think from source code that was in place before I started rewriting automation
(There is a reason I deleted everything before I started writing code myself)
funny that it failed on a search for junit docs
19:38
There's a hidden lesson there. Fail first, fail fast
And now all of my tests run if I run them one by one, but fail if I run the whole package
Even the first one. Setting this stuff up is garbage :/
@RaymondArteaga figured out the XML thing
It was a style problem
:thumbs_up:
@Mauker are you Brazilian?
holy crap my mind just played tricks on me and I thought that said "Are you still brazilian" and I was like wait when did he stop
When the election results were announced
19:53
he?
too real
Is Mauker a male name?
His name isn't actually mauker
Is Mauker a male nick?
Mauker is a male
Yes I am
@AdamMc331 WHEN ELECTION RESULTS WERE ANNOUNCED
Brazilian, and male
still brazilian?
19:57
How still?!!!
Hmm, my exam note sheet is still half empty
Seems suspicious
I refilled my internet account with BTC! Wiiiiiiii!
bitrefill.com is good!
raghav still its passable
We integrate with them
I think
Now I have more than 6 hours!
20:00
Yup, we do
Who integrates with who?
The exchange I work at with bitrefill
what is the exchange you work at?
ahhh
I know
The one that employs me
Now I remember
-_-
ups.. sorry:
o_o
20:04
lol
btw was raghav able to help you?
@RaymondArteaga Still cause of our new... president.
Alright, I'm gonna go fail an exam, afk for a few hours
Don't forget to come back and implement the raghav.study() fun after you fail the test
@ColdFire why are you yelling what raghav already said
20:14
is raghav one of the students that says "i'm totally gonna fail" and then gets an A? or the student who actually fails lol
@AdamMc331 oh that was just my caps was on
somewhere around the middle trevor i guess
20:33
I just went to a kotlin nerd meetup 😁😁😁 one guy I met said ahh Tim Castoins you do nice things on stack overflow 😍😍
awww <3
Our lil famous Tim
lol
castoins wow now that is a mess of a last time
btw congrats for being famous :D
Difficult to pronounce for foreigners
ah my bad thinking there will be all dutchies there
i am not sure how many people here can pronounce your surname here anyway
20:52
It is a skill few posses
All dutchies can though. We are naturally skilled
hmm nice
i mean even I don't know how it's pronounced lmao
lol
btw was the tweet deleted a real thing?
i mean can they really delete a tweet by trump?

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