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05:20
@DaveS sorry man.
user457812
Philosophical question for everyone: apostrophes or percent signs for comments?
user457812
05:46
You are somehow a worse person than me.
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06:03
Ok that is retarded... Yesterday I asked about the stuff with git using an incorrect mail address and stuff and said I checked the global config.
I used the command git config --global -l to list all the global stuff. Turns out that that stuff in there is not at all whats in the actual .gitconfig.
Literally nothing of the gitconfig file shows in the commandline and nothing from the commandline is in the file.
@geisterfurz007 Hands off the gitmaster yellow bandana ... congratulations young padawan, you've become a goat herding initiate.
you'll be thinking "How much will inflation hit mountain cabin prices next year?" and "Is selling goat cheese and having some tesla batteries and roofcells enough to sustain life?" in no time
06:30
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!!!! :D
Good morning!
apple rejected 6 times an app saying "it won't launch". the first time was true, the next 5, not.
no code changes
i changed the splash to show the buildversion code
it gets accepted.
07:06
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sup warren
nothing, watching the game, having a bud
Your name always reminds me of this clip youtube.com/watch?v=ZdUoZJvdipA (eventhough it's Warres and not Warren)
@WarrenFaith what game
and a german drinking budweiser?
You missed the reference
07:10
wazzzuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
@geisterfurz007 which gitconfig file are you checking? The project or the global
@TimCastelijns I was using git config -l and git config --global -l to check the configs. Neither showed me the wrong mail address that was in my userdirectory\.gitignore
The output of git config --global -l contains completely different things than the one in my userdirectory.
git config --list --show-origin
It'll tell you where it's reading from
Interesting!
Makes me even more confused because that one shows that the file containing the wrong stuff isn't even read it seems?
Oh wait, I am dumb, hang on. Nope still not showing up.
07:18
Are you in your project folder that gives you the incorrect results?
Did you try git config --global --list --show-origin too?
so samsung forgot to add a numeric keyboard to this device
> the wrong mail address that was in my userdirectory\.gitignore
what does this mean
input type number websites shows a blank rect instead of a keyboard
Yeah I am in the borked repo and I used global as well.
@TimCastelijns I have a file under C:\Users\MyUsername\ named .gitconfig in which the mail which was used incorrectly was defined as user.email and the username (incorrect as well) as user.name
is this file set as the global gitconfig
07:22
I have no idea! Using the command Raghav mentioned shows that a different file is used on a network drive. That does contain the correct keys though
I mean... just rm -rf the .git folder and start over
brother you can see what file it is using as global in the local file
you even have to set it manually, it does not exist by default
in which local file?
./.git/config?
the project local
07:28
I am confused... In the project root I have the .git folder. In that I have the config file. In the config file there is absolutely no mention whatsoever of a global file.
ok ok I am also confused. Never mind what I said
And for some reason changing the file that is not used according to the config command of git solved the issue. That is weird to say the least.
i used my bank's mortgage calculator for a flat i liked
the calculator explicitly said it was all "approximate data", and asked my mail to send me the result pdf
guess who got a "your mortgage is valid and ready to request" scary mail at 9:30 am D:
i was just trying to see how much i would pay.
250€/mo * 20years btw.
130m2 w/th 3 rooms, 2 bathrooms, 2 terraces.
07:35
Eric selling houses in nomansland again?
nono, it's just 10min from work
on a 10K citiziens town nearby called Alcarràs
right between the national road, the speedway and the highway.
I wonder how much your percentage is... you get 5%?
i wish.
i get 0%. i just like to promote my region lol
more devs > more tech companies > bigger salary for me
win - win
free2move is free to move to Lleida.
you'll get tax reliefs, cheapo homes from workers....
first they need to move just to the next city to spare me the 75min commute
you can move to lleida too.
07:41
If I would be without family I would be open
but my wife is a midwife, she loves her job and needs a bigger city to work in a bigger hospital to have a lot of births to attend and help with
also I would not want to leave my parents even farther, they are already have barely contact because they are still working
and no, they can't fly because my father reacts in a bad way (multiple days of migraine after a flight)
so I have a lot of dependencies
needs a bigger city to work -> bigger than 130K citiziens? (lleida) :D
that is a good size, how many hospitals and how is the kids per woman ratio?
2 hospitals, one attends the whole region ( 480K), the other just the city usually
how many little ones do women produce on average?
2.480 births and 7.862 visits to either the doctors or the midwifes in 2017
dunno how many midwifes are there tho.
07:49
we are currently close to 3000 birth in one of the two hospitals in our city
we can lower the number of midwives
we have a lack of midwives
and yet they are heavily underpayed
sad :(
yeah, lets say she earns a bit more than we pay for our rent...
at least from her 30h at the hospital
she does some after care stuff on her own where she earns good
oh
midwive in the Arnau of vilanova hospital: 2.125,86€ pre tax
200€ more than a phisiotherapist, 400€ less than a head / family doctor
very open data in our healthcare system lol
didn't knew.
07:56
2125 that is a lot right? In Lleida
yeah, medical personnel are very well paid all around spain
but they don't get paid for extra hours and usually do 40-50h/week
instead of the legal 40
for lleida it's equivalent to being rich af
for barcelona, mid-high class.
i dunno if they're hiring tho
interesting
medical personnel in NL are infamously underpaid. At least the supporting staff
in spain most public personnel is pretty well paid. gotta keep those votes happy.
also something about better paid public workers = better service. i'm not sure that's the reason they do it tho :D
> 30 teachers of a highschool request changing high school after a small group of parents from a nearby military base have been harassing them.
08:05
fucking parents
30 out of 30
fucking parents.
that base always gives problems.
not the first time this happens
but its the first time the whole teaching personnel leave.
(change requests are automatically accepted by the e-system when a teacher has enough experience to freely choose a new center)
most of the harassing comes because these parents are temporary destined to the base and don't want their children to learn french or catalan.
08:28
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if you like drama
What is the upvote/downvote ratio?
I can't see because I gave a bounty years ago and never got the rep back up to 100
Dangit :D
you gave a bounty on MSE?
That's MSE
08:33
and its +55/-40
Thanks :) (for both)
yes long time ago
any of you use fabric beta
08:51
Wow I am currently starting to read the iOS app guidelines and it seems like someone smoked a pot while writing that...
> Distinct visual layers and realistic motion convey hierarchy, impart vitality, and facilitate understanding.
Noone talks like that!
Hi guys. How are you doing? I have question. 1 year ago I built an unsigned debug app. Just recently I wanted to build it again by incrementing its version code and install on a device which has its older version. I couldn't succeed to install it due to incompatibility reason. Nothing is changed from source code. I'm not sure what can be the reason of this behaviour. Maybe newer Android Studio version?
what incompatibility
Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_UPDATE_INCOMPATIBLE]
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Q: INSTALL_FAILED_UPDATE_INCOMPATIBLE when I try to install compiled .apk on device

arts777I've compiled Trebuchet launcher from CyanogenMod 9, and trying to install it with adb: $ adb install out/target/product/generic/system/app/Trebuchet.apk 3986 KB/s (7870141 bytes in 1.928s) pkg: /data/local/tmp/Trebuchet.apk Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_UPDATE_INCOMPATIBLE] I tried on Nexus S w...

up up goes the versionCode
08:55
@SaQada just uninstall the previous release
I don't want to uninstall :)
I know that it is possible to remove the app
The question is, why this happens for a debug app?
because it is the same app
on the same version probably too
increase version to a bigger than the one installed already
it iwll install as an update
\o marc-jean
09:00
o/ marky
it is not a version code issue first of all because in that case I would get another error message and secondly I already increased the version code (mentioned it in the question)
dude your debug keystore must have changed
since clearly you are trying after 1 year
@ColdFire exactly, this is the case.
so what do you want?
since keystore is different reinstallation is not possible
you can either uninstall the previous app or worse change the package name
I wanted to know why it could happen that debug keystore is changed
due to Android Studio upgrade?
09:05
i believe debug keystore has a expiry period of 6 months
i remember reading it somewhere
also why are you so fixated on debug keystore?
its worthless anyway
it depends if you have a dedicated debug keystore or just the default one. The latter is tied to the machine you work on
@TimCastelijns I didn't use any dedicated keystore and didn't sign the app. Therefore I guess default debug keystore was used.
which seems to have expiration time
yes that is the case for most , since most people dont use their own dedicated keystore
@SaQada you can take a backup of application data, and restore after reinstall
piece of cake if you have root access
09:12
also google backs up most of the data automatically by default
"nice" no it sucks
@AdamMc331 my package is now featured in the Flutter docs!
Got a PR accepted to include it
This old version of app is installed on many devices to which I don't have access. I wanted to make small modification to the source code and build a newer version which can update the installed app.
At that time I didn't know and didn't plan to support it.
\o/ Congrats!
anyway thanks a lot, it made some thing clear for me :)
@SaQada …and all of that is with debug keystore? nice booby trap! :D
09:17
debug keystore is located here: C:\Users\username\.android\debug.keystore"

So, if I find this file then the issue is soled
AFAIK it has some expiration date
but… if you can convince these people to turn the clock back while installing, maybe it could fly
I mean they have an expiration date anyway, but for the debug keystore it used to be low by default IIRC
a year for the debug keystore afaik
the store one has 100 years or so by default
I think debug.keystore has changed when I updated my Android Studio
`$ keytool -list -v -keystore ~/.android/debug.keystore -alias androiddebugkey`

Valid from: Mon Jul 31 08:34:43 MSK 2017 until: Wed Jul 24 08:34:43 MSK 2047
not anymore I guess
so yeah, if you find that original file, it should be okay
still, you're supposed to use a normal keystore for that
got the call for the alcarras house
visit tomorrow or friday
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09:23
how do you plan to distribute the new app anyway
eric, you are moving?
nice eric
@TimCastelijns anyway not using a Play Store.
i don't know netpork
depends on how the home is
on what are my future plans
@geisterfurz007 thanks :)
09:30
congrats mark
did the "gmail backup" for myself :D — WarrenFaith Dec 16 '10 at 11:00
lol
09:44
Adam could have learnt from me....
CF stalking as always
09:57
has been probably the worst flood here
warren true
In countries other than India, what is expected of a junior android dev today? design-patterns, rx-stuff, kotlin and '?', do you have to learn react-native, xamarin or ionic type of stuff?
or something else extra.
I have some free time to learn something new.
I was thinking about either Go or Kotlin.
you could take a look at Python or Scala for ML
wouldnt it depend on job description..?
if you are applying strictly for native.. java/kotlin
and its design pattern
ionic/react-native/cordova etc.. if you are trying for hybrid
10:05
@rupinderjeet some OO languages, SQL, some no-SQL, basic design patterns, basic git/subversion knowledge
@ColdFire thanks!
for a junior
depends on the job placement tho
@SurajRao where did you get those stickers from? :O
Go won't matter but extra languages are never bad.
Go is used a lot in DevOps roles
10:07
Kotling might gives extra points but any project a junior lands in will mostly be java.
@MehdiB. spent some time in charcoal hq .. SO sent to all who contributed there once
junior android dev != devOps
@SurajRao lucky you :D
still spam flag there
they look very nice
10:07
you should see the crap we go through
haha!
yeah too much crap and spam
@MehdiB. First regular python and flask things, then ML.
@SurajRao I just wanted to confirm if they already expect me to know ionic/react-native/cordova when I apply for android-native
dont think so.. no
@CptEric thanks
ok, android would do, then.
lately, I have been losing confidence, so much everywhere
10:17
it depends rup. Some junior positions require barely any knowledge. Some require a couple years of experience along with knowledge of some tech. Depends on the company and the required level
^
i found an awesome job description the other day
"Junior Lead Dev"
required dev experience: 0-2 years, required team management experience: 2-4 years
Two weeks ago, a junior dev left my company, is leading an android team of 8 in another company. Graduated last year.
welp we found the perfect candidate lol
ah... so they want you to have coded at some point in your life and spent 2-4 years in strictly managing stuff
its just luck, I think
alongisde @Ahmad who is soon to be Senior Lead Intern
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I would not advise spending a lot of time learning hybrid development, unless required for work and paid for by the boss. There are many and they all serve similar purposes, but work differently. If you spent 1 year learning ionic and you never work at a job that uses it, it might have been wasted time. It's always good to learn about things you find personally interesting however. Try to learn things that have a future
ionic is good for self projects tho. fast prototyping.
so worth a try
faster than RN and flutter atleast
if you are going for ionic you would likely move into web dev than mobile
10:21
I suggest you all learn about ML, AI, Blockchain, and murder
then you can go into pwas..
its a different path
@TimCastelijns I will focus on kotlin now, but is there something that is not of programming, but still useful. Something that I can do without laptop/pc all the time?
yeah ionic is really good for PWA stuff
@RaghavSood I suppose there is a udemy course for murder?
The art of assasination: a quick glimpse.
10:22
It's all about practical experience
@CptEric have you used both?
depends on what your interests are rup
@MarkO'Sullivan Threeth.
or whatever it's called
Straight out of react documentation
10:24
"how to fork a child"
"how to kill forked children"
"how to get visited by the FBI while googling about C processes"
"enforcing a single child" React made by chinese confirmed
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Is Unity/Gaming expected of me, I know some basics of rendering scenes. Is this path good to explore?
completely unexpected for a junior android dev from my experience
thanks.
and anyway, it's c# if it's coding. c# is like java but newer.
10:25
game development is a different beast AFAIK
pretty much anything you know in java has a c# counterpart.
@CptEric no, I meant both RN and Flutter?
yeah
greenfield tho
Never knew you had tinkered with both of them
Because it's new. And new things are shiny — Tim Castelijns Jun 23 '16 at 13:12
look how relevant my most upvoted comment is
10:27
i am also a game dev, a web dev, weaponsmith, brittish WW2 SAS, american ww2 OSS, "he who doesn't read documentation before asking", medieval knight, roman soldier (IIIth century BC), and catalan.
The usual.
and much more stuff
rup, nothing is expected from a developer apart from the listed requirements on the job opening
wait yes one thing
learn to "deal with it" when clients change requirments halfway.
must have that skill or you'll die of job burn
o7
10:31
thanks
@Ahmad ø7
@Ahmad º7
@CptEric why don't you work on a game dev studio? :O
@CptEric so you makin a browser game involving all that?
none here worthy of me
XD
JK, just one game studio in lleida hiring and they're little assholes
10:38
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/⁄\\
3 that i know that worked there left or were laid off
doesn't mean it's gonna happen to you
doesn't sound like a place i'd want to work tbh
one of those was one of our web devs, they headhunted him for a 5k€ yearly plus ( divided in 2 payments)+ 2400€/mo, then laid him off 30 days later when his project died.
> There are 130 video game companies established in Catalonia (28.9% of the Spanish total), with 2,441 employees (3almost 45% of Spain) and a €318M turnover (51.7% of Spain). In 2015, Catalan companies developed about 150 games, 40% for mobiles and 30% for online platforms.
99% are surely on barcelona
10:40
move to that touristic city and get that job :D
won't. COL there is as big as london
shithole of city, full of crap and tourists and contaminated air
no parking, trains never work...
good to visit one or two days
bad for living
that's unfortunate...
yup
most people live in cities 30-60km away, collapsing every access every day
daily traffic clogs of 7-20km on the highway
no no, i'm happy living 10-15min from work lol
but... game dev is so cool XD
mehdi I read pt1 of the ML intro
10:45
wooohooo!!! \o/
@MehdiB. does not compensate the chaos
and madrid is even worse lol
there should be a "silicon valley" of gaming and tech built here
to separate it from the chaos this 2.5M citiy is
@TimCastelijns I got you, r2d3.us/visual-intro-to-machine-learning-part-2, should make it easy for you to open the part 2 :D
@CptEric you could start looking for companies in the suburbs of Barcelona so you don't get in the city
doesn't matter, suburbs are as expensive as center
> "You would need around 3,255.57€ in Barcelona to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 2,200.00€ in Lleida"
> Rent Prices in Barcelona are 248.39% higher than in Lleida
> Consumer Prices in Barcelona are 47.98% higher than in Lleida
Computer says no.
so it's unlikely to get a salary of 3250 in Barcelona?
very very unlikely.
it's 500€ more than what a parliament seatholder gets ( 2800€), if that gives a hint of how much that is
we're speaking of 3250 net that could be as much as 4500 pre tax
average monthly salary net is 1600 in barcelona
lleida is 1100
10:54
wanna hear a joke? they get 3200€ here, then after their mandat 2500€ for... life
our parliament guys get 5 digits
per month?
9.780,28 Euro per month
and probably around half that when they retire
here they get 2800 net during their mandate, then a volunteer 2500 net for the next 4 years because there must be a mandate difference between their public office seating and any implication in any business that was affected by approved laws
2013 it was at 8.252 Euro
so the increase is nice
10:58
so if you're software dev, get to parliament, and vote laws that relate to software dev, the job market, public contracts with your prior company, etc... you can't get back to your job before 4 years
not sure about the cost of living in germany, but it sounds a bit too high, unless they over-achieve tbh, then they deserve it
that's a damn lot warren
a head of minister gets 13.630 Euro
congressmen in madrid get 6000, ministers 6000 too, and the president of a region or the president of the country get 80K/100K / year
here they basically get those 3200€ net to snort in the chamber, abuse their positions outside and make parallel businesses and corruption etc... fucktards

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