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20:00
"guyz pls check out cash caretaker 3 for linux. i wrote it in electron"
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damn
me rn
Lmao Ahmad
adam "all abut that phonegap life" mcneilly
You're all wrong. Flutter will become mainstream in the future.
but I'll change my avatar back just to get everyone back on track
no
20:01
Xamaradam over here
it will serve as a reminder
for your poor judgement adam
lmao
too late I have undone the deed
you're just distracting from the fact that you'd much rather use jruby and typescript for android dev
20:03
no no no
make it a 06
06-26-2018
so the memorial looks a e s t h e t i c
nice markdown bro
Went to dig back on my Kotlin history. It's been over two years.
Jan 28 '16 at 4:56, by McAdam331
alright I'm proud of myself I've written three classes in kotlin so far I'm trying really hard to pick this up
THERE WE GO
tim
the markdown is dope
20:04
now spell it right
we have a vaporwave aesthete among us
I thought it looked cool with the underscores tbh
bro do you even dict.cc
20:06
lmao @ that definition
yeah but I made you doubt lol
Jan 21 '14 at 21:33, by Ahmad
Kotlin
look at the date
Oct 26 '15 at 19:45, by McAdam331
What is so special about kotlin?
the date ahmad, what does it mean?!
Oh, how young and naive I was
20:08
Apr 29 '15 at 1:05, by McAdam331
Dave you're a genius.
I'm glad adam's first steps in kotlin are documented
Jan 21 '14 at 21:32, by Ahmad
Wait. Jetbrains has their own programming language? wat.
it's like a baby walking for the first time
Eski used Kotlin before I did
my everything is documented in this chat
20:08
Nov 11 '15 at 3:53, by McAdam331
Hipster Eski is all 'I used Kotlin before it was cool.'
I called Eski a hipster, but now I brag about how I used Kotlin before it was supported lmao
lol too true
Which is what I'm gonna say about FLUTTER when it takes off.
you're what we call a 2nd gen hipster
20:09
hmph
^^^^ (the flutter one)
adam what does flutter have over the other 534657 frameworks?
Glad to have you on the right side of history, Petey.
It has Adam
I mean upsides
20:10
oh right
@TimCastelijns LOOL
you're posing adam
May 28 '14 at 20:48, by Ak_Crusader
I like Ahmad
by that standards
I am liked
It has no JavaScript. What else do you need?
its dart (so its accessible to JS devs), its missing an xml layout system (which I think will be great once it drops, in the meantime not so much), and is backed by vulkan (so you can do things at 60-120fps)
20:11
true hipsters don't do it for the cred they'll get in the future
tru hipsters do it because of the macbook stickers
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that they do
exactly
true hipsters will do it for the webpack config challenge
20:12
and #4 webviews suck
give me a break adam I'm not reading that thesis. Sum it up
^
tl;dr: it's like react native but actually worse
"Most layout is relatively simple"
Guess it won't work for me then
lel
tldr : oracle doesnt own flutter. less billions for oracle this way
> The fact that Flutter is the only mobile SDK that provides reactive views without requiring a JavaScript bridge should be enough to make Flutter interesting and worth trying, but there is something far more revolutionary about Flutter, and that is how it implements widgets.
Name 1 widget that you use that doesn't come stock
I already had an opinion on flutter in 2013
Aug 8 '13 at 15:32, by Ahmad
Stuttery, and they always look like they all are running inside a webView
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I think they mean "widget" as in "view"
because that's helpful terminology
20:14
no idea why widget would be used to describe anything tbh
better off calling it a "thing"
ahmad, yer on a roll today.
😏
ty m8y
Ahmad got me to stop using Eclipse
Flutter does not look like it's running in a webview though
but it is
20:16
he's a hero
Flutter is probably one of the most native feeling experiences I've seen
That's like saying it's the best vegan meat
wow
wait
I don't think that's true, Tim?
for real??
eski I need proof in form of r15 transcripts
20:17
lol yeah I switched to IntelliJ on your recommendation
how else would it be running adam
wait maybe it was gradle...
Flutter has its own rendering engine.
nil got me to switch to intellij according to the transcripts
From their faq: Flutter is different than most other options for building mobile apps because Flutter uses neither WebView nor the OEM widgets that shipped with the device. Instead, Flutter uses its own high-performance rendering engine to draw widgets.
20:18
Mar 14 '13 at 3:22, by nil
Eclipse is abysmally slow and the issue isn't RAM but that it's just badly made.
I'll still like to keep the title of hero
where does it come from
the engine
Powered by JavaScript™
flutter is the new electron
Google engineers who built the framework I'm assuming
20:19
yeah but where does it live
"oh you know what we could stuff into the dex file? a fuckin rendering engine mate"
not by default on every device I suppose
it's probably drawing on a Canvas and capturing touch events
I'm not certain, Tim. I'll try to find that out.
it's probably using the same backend as ms paint plus
20:20
I think it is bundled with the apk and makes apk at least 200mb in size
until you prove otherwise, that is a fact
That's probably part of what makes Flutter APKs so large tbh
^
the burden of proof shall be on the non believer
200mb...
that's insane
okay good
Not that large lol. From the article I shared: "The minimum size of a Flutter app on Android is approximately 6.7MB"
20:21
adam is now confused as well
he's slowly realizing his mistake
6.7mb lol the minimum size of a native apk is like 1kb
Flutter slack I'm in confirmed it's shipped with the APK and is independent based on OS version
which makes it 6700x better
It's a plot by the NSA to sell your data to big pharma, until you prove otherwise it's a fact
revised version: burden of proof is always on the person who prefers javascript
20:22
No I know Flutter apps are large. But that's just one of the tradeoffs.

Let's all keep in mind I'm enjoying Flutter as a _hobby_, I'm not trying to pitch this to OkC or something.
atwood's law or something
WHAT THE HELL IS THE ITALIC MARKDOWN
try this
if you want a list it's 25mb apparently
asterics
20:23
but who uses lists in their apps anymore?
I tried that though
you cannot do markdown in a multiline message for the 100th time
oh what the fuck
Oooo right
wow adam
are you ok
He's not Ok
this is how he finds he's been let go
20:23
are you ok okcupid
No I'm not okay y'all are insulting my hobbies
this is what happens when you're lovestruck by cupid
lmfao dave
"Hi Adam how are you?"
"I'm Ok"
"Actually you are not, security will escort you out shortly."
20:24
oh man adam hope you're ok cause I've been laughing for a minute straight
I'm swiping left on all of you.
that is a peculiar question to ask him ahmad, considering not 30 mins ago we polled to kill him
that's not how ok cupid works
tru tim
or SO chat
@AdamMc331 does Xamarin even support swiping?
20:26
@AdamMc331 joke's on you m8 I have RTL enabled
the non believer shall die not be ok
to be fair Dave the native swiping support is pretty bad
@AdamMc331 i don't need your pity swipe I have enough people asking me about giraffes on tinder
just stop killing them and they'll stop asking
can't
it's my only interesting quality
20:31
you're girafficidal
lel
did you just call me a terrorist
are you racially profiling me
bro I didn't mean it like that
I'll let you know I have flagged and reported you to my twitter overlords
(not sure if we went super meta or if you actually thought I was angry LOL)
you know I support the giraffe sacrificing customs of your people..
gud
afk m8ys
ttyl
20:35
o/
peace
I'm in serious procrastination mode trying to understand this maze of daggers
this is why starbucks rejected you Tristan
"Why is his resume 3 cat pictures?"
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@Ahmad Ahmad, I know what you really are.
20:38
200MB... that's nothing
You're a flying hobo
Ah, so this is what comes after Basic Economy.
loool
@TimCastelijns no it doesn't
my app is 14mb
20:45
Adam just confirmed it does
Mark using black magic to render his flutter app
gotta watch out for those Irish witch doctors
I was just trying to come up with a ridiculous joke but it turns out it's true
don't get me started about basic economy...
(hopefully KAYAK makes it somewhat clear now)
20:47
Sorry Trevor, still use Google Flights <3
Although damn Kayak's new look is nice
@Mauker a memer?
@Mauker <3
@trevor my colleges were raving about kayak the other day
"literally best flight search engine by far"
"best ui"
"5/5 would search again"
woot
and that says something cause as a (mck) consultant you're flying at least 2-4 times a week
that's awesome
get them to use Trips
20:57
I already am
but one of my colleges colleagues didn't know you could look up flight schedules in the app
that's seriously such an underrated feature
Who are all these colleges you speak to?
;_;
@AdamMc331 If you really want to be a hipster:
What is that
21:11
so it has you intrigued...
Isn't that Flutter + Kotlin?
no
it's the mythical...
JetBrains MPS is a metaprogramming system which is being developed by JetBrains. MPS is a tool to design Domain Specific Languages (DSL). It uses projectional editing which allows users to overcome the limits of language parsers, and build DSL editors, such as ones with tables and diagrams. It implements language-oriented programming. MPS is an environment for language definition, a language workbench, and integrated development environment (IDE) for such languages. == Composable languages == Developers from different domains can benefit from domain specific language extensions in general purpose...
no it's javascript
ah
It looked like Flutter colors with the Kotlin logo
you should learn it and impress your college friends with it
21:12
will that get me laid win me all the hackathons
the ladies will be all over your abstract syntax tree
NativeScript is still Native right?!
woa
do you guys still do hackathons?
are they still a thing?
They're still a thing. I do significantly less of them since graduation, though.
Still involved in the community as a mentor though, and working with my company to sponsor some.
21:19
hopefully the ones you sponsor will be..ok
you're a magnet for repetitive jokes
it's the circle
endless supply of jokes, but repeating.
Kinda like cM, but we just repeat the same 3 jokes: shitty triangle, ass bourbon, and chicago sports suck.
Hey Adam, 2015 called, it wants its keystore back
21:33
I still do hackathons, organize two, although definitely go to a lot less than high school
I'm still in the organizer slack for GrizzHacks, but more separated from actual work than I used to be.
But if any of you want to sponsor a hackathon in September, let us know.
@MarkO'Sullivan It does, but the 200mb was an exaggeration lol
How much do I need to contribute to sponsor?
gee idk Dave, if only I had given you some clickable medium to find out.
Like, I'll send some T-Shirts if I can absentee sponser as Adam's keystore
I see
no absentee tier
21:39
my daughter's too young for dad jokes so I have to practice on you
Have I ever told you what my very first dad joke will be?
> "Honey, I'm pregnant!"
> "Hi pregnant, I'm dad!" (with a single tear sliding down my cheek)
lol
I've already been doing that to my wife
22:09
How do y'all feel about emojis as error codes
Internal Server Error - Code:💥
200 👌
could have a lot of fun with that
403: 🙅‍♂️
I put an emoji in my commit once and broke our CI's database
404: 🔑
2
22:21
lmao so we have a slack channel tied to our repo
and I just put several :party_parrot: in my commit message and watched it blow up when it went through slack
lol
22:59
at wunderlist they had to migrate to a different mysql version in order to support emojis
yea that was the problem I had
I had to get one of our sys admins to force rewrite our git history, since upgrading everything would take a while
and we don't have force push rights to our repo
23:14
that's probably smart

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