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@trevor-e I've only used it with ReactJS
@RaghavSood what do you mean "off the table"?
Means I'm going to phase out and stop using it
I've been reading up on finite fields
Quite interesting
Now, the question is, should I learn russian
There's a course starting next week
And it's only NZD120
Which makes me question the quality
 
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02:39
@TimCastelijns lmfao
I hope this whole SO drama is still around till I return from my trip
02:58
Where are you going?
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SO drama?
The whole SO is unfriendly post
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Hasn't this been done before?
Probably
SO improvement is a recurring theme
Not always carried out well
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I'd love to know how much use I actually get out of SO
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03:10
A lot of my work really just doesn't pertain to anything that'd be acceptable on SO, so I feel like it's usually dumb things like trying to remember the syntax for something in some language I haven't used in a while
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Like arrow lambdas in Ruby or something.
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03:43
Since all I see is (removed) I'm going to assume you insulted my precious Ruby and send out a ninja to fix you.
Ruby is alright
I should probably learn it better
useful?
Everything is useful if used right
Source: Tim has a job
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Ruby is useful if you use it in place of shell scripting.
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03:51
If you use it for web dev, god help you
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Note: opinions expressed by nil are those of your employer
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So in unrelated news, I think Google Cloud is actually cheaper than AWS and Azure overall
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At least for VMs so far
04:17
Depends on your workload
AWS is probably a bit more expensive
But the cost to switch would be more than the savings for most companies
I'm happy with shell scripting, though
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Well, in our case, we're Google Cloud heavy
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But I'd never bothered looking at Azure and AWS because Azure was nowhere near ready for use at the time and I didn't want to get locked into AWS
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So now that I'm moving some of my personal stuff over to Google Cloud, it seemed like a good time to look.
My personal stuff is usually DO
 
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06:50
@nil don't they already have it? Google knows you.
you're just creating copies.
For a view that toggles something, do you keep the boolean flag in View or Presenter. e.g. you have isNavigationDrawerOpen. When you tap on toggle view, presenter calls view.showNavigationDrawerMaybe(boolean shouldShow). right? or View keeps track of this flag?
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07:46
o///
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lol, looks like i visited tsjernobyl
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3 arms
08:08
HAPPY LABOUR day to all :3 LABOUR still working here
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Labour day in The Netherlands? I don't think so
Haha, India.
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We're the only stupid country in Europe that doesn't have a day off
Oh, private firms, like ours, don't care.
ha ha
Labour Day (Labor Day in the United States) is an annual holiday to celebrate the achievements of workers. Labour Day has its origins in the labour union movement, specifically the eight-hour day movement, which advocated eight hours for work, eight hours for recreation, and eight hours for rest. For most countries, Labour Day is synonymous with, or linked with, International Workers' Day, which occurs on 1 May. For other countries, Labour Day is celebrated on a different date, often one with special significance for the labour movement in that country. Labour Day is a public holiday in man...
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08:21
sigh, since AS update my apps won't deploy to the emulator -.-
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They build succesfully, won't get deployed however
@Jordy i'm not off
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You're the exception
Nope
I don't think UK is off until Monday
Hi, please tell me which option should I choose from hastebin.com/alimeronay.scala in an "expected" way for others.
08:36
I don't understand the problem you're trying to fix
> The world’s oldest spider died at 43
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Shouldve been burned 43 years ago
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I hate spiders so much
Hahaha
08:50
@rupinderjeet Why not use null?
using null is unwelcoming to new developers who are afraid of NPEs
They need to learn, sometimes the hard way is better
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My colleque is making me SO FREAKIN' MAD
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1.5 hour late, now he's finally 45 min in - haven't wrote a single word on his screen yet
09:02
why do you care? :D
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WHILE I AM STRESSING MY BALLS OFF WITH A PRODUCT'S DEADLINE HE FUCKED UP
ah XD
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In fact, he didn't even pressed his keyboard yet
why do you don't tell him directly: X, I need your help urgently here
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I already did when he entered the office
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09:04
But he rather is a useless fuck
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Another reason to leave this hellhole asap
you might want to be secretive about it until you have signed a new contract
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I edited it, now nobody knows what I'm talking about
well job
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No but for real, I rather get fired at this point
user443346
09:07
Will give me free money for some months
@Jordy Press it for him, with his head
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^ my idea aswell
I don't see any way that could go wrong, go ahead
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IT'ers, I love to work with them - really autistic IT'ers however, make me suicidal sometimes.
aren't we all autistic?
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09:09
Yeah but not like this guy
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He's just watching random SO pages
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And making sounds like "HMMMMM, HMMMM" so the boss thinks hes doing something
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OMG HE TOUCHED HIS KEYBOARD
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I need a chill pill, brb
@Jordy hahahaha, first time i hear this one XD
09:25
@Code-Apprentice I ended up picking up this from the library to cover stuff I need. Seems like a reasonable book
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09:38
@MehdiB. Worst part, he's looking at PHP questions :P
It is not a problem. Just wanted to ask if a raw type Particular<T> can be written better as Particular<Nothing> or just Particular when I don't expect anything as T. Nothing is just and empty class with nothing in it.
Jordy - seems like this guys toxicity has no limits
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Imagine him playing League of Legends
you know you can stick to your part of the job and make it clear you won't do his
@Jordy to be fair, I'd spend all day looking for answers if I was using PHP... "Why does PHP suck so bad?" , "How do I escape a life of PHP?", etc
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09:41
if you don't expect anything for <T> then you don't use that class
Happy Labour day everyone :)
to you too.
So, just Particular. thanks.
Ronak you too
no
don't do raw types
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@MarkO'Sullivan Yeah he searches for questions like: How do I build an array, how do I loop, how do I work even slower than normal
09:44
I mean if you don't expect anything for T, then you shouldn't be using Particular<T> class
Oh. There are about 40 endpoints, most of them return data(getThis() getThat()). Some of them are like doThis() doThat() (in which case I don't need data back). So, are you suggesting to use two different classes?
probably. It's kinda hard to say
class Particular<T> {
  int httpCode;
  List<T> data;
}
@Jordy Jordy, what if your colleague is lurking in this chat room and secretly reading all these messages?
I was using Particular<Nothing>. So, I think I should stick with it for now.
@Abhi He doesn't even need to be logged in to read stuff.
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09:51
@Abhi I couldn't care less haha, besides he doesn't have any/enough rep
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So I'm in the clear
If Jordy's colleague reading this, pal it's okay. We know your life is in mess, after all you're searching PHP. But do your work.
you don't need rep to read chat
I think new users can view chat, but can't just talk. And, chat is globally visible. Try in Incognito. It doesn't need rep for reading.
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Ah well, he won't read this chat anyway :D and he probably knows I don't really like him
09:56
in any case you might be Jordy from siberia who also happens to work with autistic php developers
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Exactly
good hint.
will it hurt him?
Anyone else gutted Avicii passed away? Was really looking forward to his new album and was hoping I could see him live whenever he returned after retiring from touring in 2016
not particularly
Yeah wouldn't expect anyone who didn't like his music to care much
10:06
I liked some of his music
Older stuff?
But why so many people started following him on Twitter after he passed away?
@MarkO'Sullivan He really did have some great EDM stuff. Laid the foundation for it
Yeah apparently inspired a lot of other EDM guys like Kygo (who I'm also a fan of)
Hi five
10:09
You a fan of Kygo too?
Yeahh
Not a hardcore one, but appreciate it
You might like Ikson, he's not really well known. I discovered his music a couple of months back
Oh Mark, you play Witcher 3?
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@MarkO'Sullivan I liked some of his music but some Dutch newspapers compared him with Mozart. Made me cringe so hard.
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Mozart will turn around in his grave
10:12
do you read newspapers? how old are you? :D
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Old
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Think the three best songs I like from Ikson is: Paradise, Thinkin' and Last Summer
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I only know Levels
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So I won't miss him the way 99% of the people do, does that make me an asshole?
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10:13
No, it makes me unique.
@Jordy yeah that's pretty cringey. I'm guessing they took the angle that he really inspired a new type of EDM (like Kygo being inspired by him)
@Jordy not at all
How could you miss him if you weren't a fan?
@Abhi nope! Heard good things about it though
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Exactly
@Abhi have you heard Avicii's unreleased stuff which he used to play at festivals like Ultra?
@MarkO'Sullivan Nope, didn't listen to those
I'll check it out
@Abhi here's a couple of them (that I've found) - soundcloud.com/peder-lb/sets/avicii-new-ep-2017
The last song has already been released in his latest EP
10:18
I heard his last song
Have you tried putting it in rice? It always works
hahahhahahah
That is brilliant. I am so going to say that to people in work
Y'all know about Hacky Easter?
10:26
It's an online CTF till 15 May. Takes place every year. Apparently it's a big thing
All about logic, reverse engineering and stuff
I couldn't get this level
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11:01
> - Are you even human?
- Senator, Yes I am, I eat bread
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:D
^Great Alternate Reality Game for Mr. Robot fans here
11:31
day off for everyone?
Raghu no holiday to the labor.
nop
I got awarded half a bounty for a dumb answer on a dumb question
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^ like what I get from my boss
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half a salary for a dumb answer on a even dumber question
what kind of questions do you ask him?
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11:45
I don't
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He asks me dumb questions over and over
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If you thought my questions on SO are dumb, you should be in the same room with my boss for half a day.
The freelancer I hired is painful to work with... I'm debugging his code to help him fix bugs while his invoices pile up
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I know the pain
I naively thought that by giving him a bit more of what he asked I could get a high commitment from him, I was wrong
I'm not fit for management
11:52
Not yet
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I would be fit for management
A few more of these and you'll be cynical enough to do fine
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My fire-hammer will be heard from miles away
Raghav - I'm already super cynical, just trying not to show it :D
@Jordy I imagine you screaming at the office XD
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My colleque would be first
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11:53
he's back from break
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picked up his mobile, started sending messages on discord for 40 min already
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WHY DO I CRINGE SO MUCH
you could take a small coffee break with him and talk to him from man to man
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I want to be stupid AF
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He will never become a man
11:54
lol
Mehdi, some people need a coffee break out by the corner with no cameras
With the coffee pot breaking over their head
hahahaha
After all, as Jordy's report clearly explains, he slipped
I decided next time I get a front end guy, I'll have him only do the HTML and CSS and stop there
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Sometimes Every day you just want to hit your colleque with a bat on the back of his head
11:56
why would you what to do that?. To kill him??
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No
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To let him wake up
@MehdiB. I feel like that just results in constant frontend rewrites
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Worst case scenario, he gets in a coma. A win for me -> new colleque incoming.
@RaghavSood I can assume that risk, if it takes him 2 months to do the JS part. Then once everything is on prod hire a good frontend dev rewrite that if needed
11:59
In my experience the key to working with guys like this is to be very, very, very clear in your spec
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In my experience coding only works when you do it yourself
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With 15 as your backup
You might be used to working with people of your caliber, so just saying "This part of the process should do X"
And you'll expect people to figure out input validation, sanity checks, good algos, etc.
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@RaghavSood Yeah I only have that expectation when talking to you guys.
But for some people, you'll need to spell out "Do X, make sure input matches this range, use this kind of algo, make sure output matches this, these are the errors to return in such and such case"
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12:01
It's time for me to get some food, brb
you're right, that's the second mistake I did, I gave him a sketch and backend contract and told him "do this like you feel is good, and make it pretty" gave him the white card of having fun in the project
@Jordy Majority of people here are like that, and fortunately, pretty much everyone in my current place is like that. Some are exceptional even, and just saying "X" is enough
next time, I won't give them this much freedom of thinking and acting lol
I think it largely comes down to an innate sense of how to think, and people who actually do this stuff because they like it, not because they're paid for it
Of course, being paid is important, but there's a very clear difference between someone who wants the money and someone who likes the job
I agree, hiring is tough :D
12:02
@MehdiB. You might just find that a few months of clear specs might make him a better dev
Sometimes it can just be a difference in culture/thought process
Maybe he comes from a shop where quick and dirty solutions were the norm
And there were constant fires to put out, so no one bothered planning ahead and thinking things through
But if you show him a better way, he might take to it
If he doesn't, terminate him
You're right, and also a clear process of testing
I couldn't do that since I don't know much of frontend besides shipping features
Learn :D
I found that jasmine.github.io
but I need to read a lot about frontend dev, since nowadays it's super engineered and there's a process or tool for everything :D
"a tool" surely you mean "59273569837682463 tools"
yes, literally just pick a random name and you'll find it exists :D
12:17
@MehdiB. commit messages on that one
which one (they look pretty normal)?
12:30
Sometimes when I don't eat food, I start talking stupid things.
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Like telling my friend, "Hey don't go over that grassy road, water is wet there."
And, other illogical things
In this case, it was about tim-lite being converted to tinytim
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@RaghavSood Yeah I would hate that so much, I need pro's around me
So, tinytim, that made me tell you "look at commits".
@rupinderjeet lol
@MehdiB. Yeah, my approach to frontend is to let others who know what they are doing handle it
I don't even want to get into that mess
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12:39
Savage Notch
13:04
o/ morning
o/
@rupinderjeet :D
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o/ Adam
How is everyone?
13:21
welcoming towards noobs, how about you?
Unwelcoming towards noobs, thanks for asking.
13:36
I raised to the guy last week 5 bugs, now that they're "fixed" I raised 12 bugs...
14:17
@RaghavSood looks like a good place to start. Then if you need more detail, you can look for another book.
nooobs? we don't need no stinkin' noobs!
Have you ever noticed that noobs rhymes with boobs?
14:31
o/
@nil no it was a reply to Raghav
@AdamMc331 lmao
 
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16:13
quiet room today
o/
We could post some Infinity War spoilers here and liven it up
if you do that I'll hop on a bus right now to NYC
and???
16:28
hide his keystore duh
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16:41
You've gotta find it first.
16:56
Found it
Mauker how the fuck? I lost that thing three years ago you can't just find my keystore in 15 minutes.
I got the time stone dummy
oo
> Has the power to go to any point in time.
> Goes back to recover my Keystore.
> Mauker is a true friend.
<3
I want to watch the movie again
17:13
> When Jon Skeet snaps his fingers, half of GitHub disintegrates - @AdamMc331, 2018
17:28
@AdamMc331 someone ban Adam for spoilers
I won't post any lol
I can't watch it before 7th
Spoiler alert: Superman dies
Oh, wrong movie
Ban mauker
You would like that, wouldn't you?
:(
17:35
:(
What's up CF?
Why can't you see it sooner?
18:00
“OkCommander: You’ve got nothing to lose but your nukes.” -- @TheDailyShow Why didn’t we think of this?? https://t.co/fsHZoj2geN
Adam my friend said your unsubscribe button on emails was broken the other day
not sure if you heard of that being fixed
I haven't personally but I can drop in our support channel later and ask. Thanks for the heads up. :)
18:31
Neb shared this ..It's really really good
#DagvandeArbeid? Poofy's #verjaardag bedoel je! Van harte #gefeliciteerd kleine snoes. #2jaar #catspam
19:06
there's an interesting football game going on Bayern vs Real (1-1 so far)
thx going to tune in
(y) there's still a lot to watch they're at 22min
19:22
@AdamMc331 did you see the facebook dating news?
Yeah I saw some stuff online and apparently match group stock has tumbled a bit
yeah 25% down seems like an overreaction
Maybe it's just an initial hit as the announcement breaks, it could stabilize. but hell if I know
#hodl
I want a dating app that verifies that the other person doesn't have facebook
I want FB's oauth button to stop being the norm
19:37
I don't think it is now?
I installed PUBG and saw that they have only 2 modes "FB" or "Guest"
and since I don't have FB...
oh I thought you meant for dating sites
tinder used to require FB
I also installed Tinder last year to see how they do their signup flow, it was only based on FB
so they're giving more options now?
I thought they did
smart (late) move
19:51
Tinder supports SMS auth now
yes late move but it's there
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