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@MehdiB. yep it is! and thanks :}
How old are you now? :D
@MehdiB. 22!
(pls don't make any factorial joke)
XD
You'll enjoy your birthday, you're still young! :D
@Ahmad Haha you're ancient
00:22
@RaghavSood ;-;
@SAKhan You need at least 80 rep to get access here

CPU: 2 x Intel Xeon E5405 @ 2.00 Ghz
Memory: 32 Gb (8 x 4Gb DDR2 667 Mhz / Quad Channel)
Harddrives:
1 x array of 3 SAS 150 Gb drives each
1 x array of 3 ATA 2 Tb drives each
2 x LSI Logic SAS3041E controllers
Network: Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5755 Gigabit
Graphis: AMD/ATI RV516 (FireMV 2250) DVI
I'm going to be exceptionally happy if I can pick this one up
I can easily run all my nodes off this
Gonna make my laptop so much easier to use
01:15
@RaghavSood how much?
I'm hoping for around 200
But i'm willing to go up to 500
Swap the processor, add in another 2 hdds, and you've got an excellent vps host
You can realistically get by with the same processor, actually
But you can upgrade for another 100 or so and get another 3x-5x performance
All NZD, not USD at that
I'll have to redo some of my RaghavNet infra to properly support it
But it's a small amount of work, mostly VPN stuff
Then I'm golden
02:02
o/
02:24
I am looking to pay someone to reverse engineer an Android app. Anyone have any recommendations
I have it mostly there. I mean I understand it is making a call but mine doesnt work the same way
XDA is probably your best bet for those kind of people
The Xda where I often get zero responses
It's about the only place enough of these people hang out to have a shot
02:41
I'm confused there are sites like freelancer why isn't there a site for people who reverse engineer? It isn't illegal?
Because it's a very specific, highly skilled, and relatively uncommon skillset
I guess that makes sense thank you
You might still have luck with freelancer etc. Most people with this kind of skillset also do regular coding because this is relatively uncommon work
Someone who knows their way around it might see it
 
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o/
 
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mr5
mr5
05:49
o/
if 3D touch is supported in Android, how would you utilize it?
06:01
Probably just complain about it being hard to use and badly designed APIs, as is tradition
 
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o/
4D touch is supported in Andoid Pee
But only for beings who live in the 5th dimension
i.e
 
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12:57
new breakthrough in the memeeconomy :D
 
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15:15
Anyone know how to make demo animations / gifs for presentations / blogs?
Like in this blog, there's a really nice animation: medium.com/@ipaulpro/…
 
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17:55
@MarkO'Sullivan photoshop or after effects, if it's an easy animation like the one you shared, you could do it with online tools
Yeah?
I emailed the guy who made the blog he told me how he did it
"I actually created those animations in Photoshop, using basic timeline animations. It's not ideal, since there is no support interpolators, but is as easy as marking keyframes and dragging the item to where you want it to move to. You can also animate layer styles, like drop shadows. "Save for web" allows you to export as a gif, or you can render as an mp4. Adobe guide

If you have more experience with Sketch, you can probably achieve something similar with one of the many animation plugins. I've messed around with Flow, which uses a similar timeline approach. The typical tool one would us
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Nice! here's an easy guide for making a gif with photoshop blog.hubspot.com/marketing/…
18:15
Silicon valley is the best TV show ever made. Evidence:
 
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19:46
@MehdiB. please don't
animations can be done in free software such as Krita, and it certainly doesn't make sense to export in GIF which is laughably inefficient format. there's WEBM for that.
JS rapidly swapping out bmps is the only true animation format /s
19:59
@William is it done in pure Java (*.dex), or does it also contain machine code?
in the first case I think it must be a walk in the park
also, for what purposes do you need that? (make a source of a complete clone? or just find how to interact with it via a closed protocol or something? something else?) depending on this it might be legal or illegal. and I guess it'd be harder to find people to do illegal stuff.
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Hello, Android!
@RaghavSood that's obviously not a scam...
Nothing is ever a scam
20:18
@SargeBorsch its all java. It's not like a one line API thing though. I'm trying to reconstruct a running example but the 10 lines which call apis. But those 10 lines call 10 plus files. And those call lines from other files.
well it's doable
@william even compiled code is doable lol
@RaghavSood especially if it's posted by rag
@Code-Apprentice I ended up buying a E5520@2.27GHZ/36GB/4TB
I got outbid on the other one
@RaghavSood buy a new PC?
20:24
Ex lease server
My laptop doesn't like me running heavier stuff 24x7 on it
I can probably throw in another xeon to that and have an excellent VM host for ~$500 NZD
Which will save me way more in hosting costs
@RaghavSood where did you buy it?
NZ's ebay ripoff
20:28
I'm thinking about saving up for a laptop. I have my mind on either an Asus or an HP...both are just over 1k USD
I'm also gonna be replacing my Macbook this year
the Asus has a 4k display...
I try to sell them before the warranty runs out and replace with a newer one with warranty
Macs are too expensive to use outside of warranty
Dunno if you'll need a 4k tbh
I'd probably take the Asus
17" is way too big for me
Although, I'm mainly looking at XPS or Mac for the next laptop
Largely due to XPS Ubuntu
I can't stand using Windows for most work
20:31
my current laptop is a 15" screen. I'd like something a little larger when I'm at the coffee shop
If/when I get a new laptop, I will at the very least install Ubuntu as a dual boot. I will consider nuking Windows all together.
Depends what you are using the Mac for but I guess. I buy them right before they are obsolete and use macs for minor video editing and use Windows for everything else.
I'm mostly agnostic to Mac/linux these days
90% of my time is in Sublime and terminals
Which work equally well on both
Macs are more polished, of course, but I'm not sure if it's worth the extra money at this point
yeah I do have a Linux partition I use. It sucks that for iOS development you have to buy a Mac though
I gave up on my iOS dreams long ago, so fuck that
:P notifications more specifically the notification badges and linear orgnaization to notifications is keeping me on iOS for now. Yeah I am running Oreo on my Nexus and don't care for the notification system. iOS 11 also has notification history that actually works
Swift isn't terrible I have gathered. Objective C is annoying
20:40
I hate using iPhones
Just feels off
If I feel something on Android is missing, I build it in
Rarely to a releasable level, but good enough for me
The one or two times I tried to use a friend's iPhone I got completely lost.
I can't even get clicks to go right on iOS devices
I need to tap stuff 2 or 3 times before something happens
hmm they aren't as different as they used to be. The lack of back button is definitely annoying.
Gah, my watch is in Christchurch but it still says it'll get delivered tomorrow
anyone running oreo on a samsung device?
I have read they are ditching their own notification badge system for notification dots, but they have pulled the update at least once so I'm not sure what they actually ended up doing
is that bitcoin tweet legit. I know there was a bitcoin ponzi scheme at one point
20:55
what is the most funny is that apple fanboys think the opposite
It's a scam, don't send that guy BTC
There's ponzi schemes in all things that hold any value
@SargeBorsch elaborate I don't understand
I mean they think iOS UI is comfortable to use and it's the best mobile OS, etc
@SargeBorsch If you have a mac everything does sync together notes, photos/videos, etc. I am fairly indifferent between the 2 at this point except for the notification badge and notification tray system in Android. I do not care for it at all. Often apps for example snapchat work traditionally way better on iPhones
@William a VM would do. still, not sure it's worth it to develop for a dying platform.
20:59
@SargeBorsch I'm am confused by your sattement
I have a mac as well but I still choose Android because it's better in every way imaginable
a virtual machine for iOS development?
yeah, I did that for a while, it works
you edit code in your favorite editor outside of it, and use VM to build
there are a couple of guides on how to do this
how are you going to make the GUI then?
@William I am waiting for Oreo to be available in the US for my Galaxy S8
21:01
@William in code I guess. no way in hell I'm using Interface Builder.
@SargeBorsch iOS is dying?
@Code-Apprentice yeah
do you have stats to back that claim?
with sources
Let's do a quick, non-biased, highly scientific poll
21:02
do you mean percentages or raw numbers?
Who in this room uses iOS as a daily driver?
I use both. Work and pleasure phone. But I use iOS more because of the notification system. Highly scientific Rag
@RaghavSood because Room 15 is a simple random sample...
:D
I don't think iOS is dying, but I also don't care
I use Android because it works well for me, and I know my way around it to make it work better for me
If people want to keep using iPhones, more power to them
Just don't tell me to switch
some day I might get around to porting my baseball card app to iOS
21:04
Remember, Samsung makes a lot of Apple's components
You might end up being incompatible
eventually we will just buy chips implanted directly to our brains.
Uh, sure, yeah, in the future, definitely. Totally not today
beep boop
Let me know how the notification system works on your samsung please code apprentice. This leads me to believe it is well adopting notification dots api github.com/leolin310148/ShortcutBadger/issues/266
then we only have to think to communicate with another person or browse the interwebs.
"phone calls" will become obsolete...even though ppl will still name it a "phone call" without ever knowing what a phone actually was
unless they happen to visit a museum
I wonder what Alexander Graham Bell would think if he came back from the dead and saw today's "phones"?
@Code-Apprentice not anymore. I recall reading an article that noted that the latest iphone model was selling really bad.
21:07
"There's a person inside this device and her name is Siri?"
@SargeBorsch poor sales is a far cry from "dying"
Jetson's predicted stuff like this though and many tv shows.
@William I wouldn't call Jetsons, or even Star Trek, "predictions". They are fiction which deeply influenced today's technocrats to invent the future.
hmm...I need food...
There is another show with his watch that he could talk similar to smart watches to which also was a precursor to the future. It wasn't considered scifi
Dick Tracy
bingo how did you know?
21:10
I think it is time to logoff and find something to eat. And maybe do some shopping.
@William because I'm old
iOS decline is inevitable. while apps in app store will be censored more and more aggressively, people will finally understand that the "walled garden" was a scam. and as jailbreaking is intentionally being made very difficult, it's a lot easier to switch to Android.
also, it's possible to find a phone with 3.5mm jack, if it's not an iphone.
and the benefit of easy pairing with a desktop computer (macOS) is being eroded as well since the latest version of macOS is such a piece of crap (I know it because I am using it — unfortunately I made the mistake of upgrading to it)
they can't even do the lock screen right — it leaks actual screen contents :/
@SargeBorsch you know that is a setting?
I mean the full screen
not notifications
you won't believe it until you see it
are you on iOS 11?
I am not using iOS. that part was about macOS.
and since it was reported and kind of acknowledged there were 2 updates and it's still not fixed
even though it ought to classify as a security hole
21:21
please send me a picture I am curious. Again I use linux more then macs now a days.
it requires recording a video to demonstrate. the issue is that when the screen is powered on, a snapshot of the actual screen content (what was there before it was locked) is shown for a moment before the lock screen appears.
Anyone fancy reading my blog post on how to implement swipeable recyclerview items? Writing it atm but always like getting someone here to skim over and make sure it doesn't sound shite
recording a video is a bit more effort and I'm lazy
but if apple ppl decide to ask me, I will also post it here if you want
if this is a major issue isn't it published elsewhere?
people seem to not care
like, showing your screen content to strangers is not a big deal
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Q: macOS High Sierra 10.13 briefly flashes screen content last seen before locking the screen when awaken

Sarge BorschOn macOS High Sierra 10.13.2, when I manually lock the screen (shift+ctrl+power) and later press any key to turn it on, the screen content which was shown at the time I locked the screen is briefly displayed on the screen (something like 1/30 or 1/60 of a second — I can measure it with high speed...

on the other hand, it'd make me learn to always remove any sensitive stuff from the screen before locking, and it might be useful in itself
but the fact that they store a screenshot is nuts, there's no way it could be useful for anything except something malicious (wtf they were thinking when this was put into code?)
21:31
Hopefully that is fixed in the next release :P
possible but not probable ©
most likely I won't upgrade to next major version and when support for this version ends, I must be ready to switch to Ubuntu
I thought that too, but XPS has no Ubuntu for the 15 inch line
Only 13 inch
hopefully by then it'd be not too hard to install it on a macbook. or even better if it dies before then and I won't have to deal with it anymore.
So unless I can find a good 15 inch ubuntu laptop, I guess I'm on Mac
@RaghavSood wait what? can't you install it anyway?
21:36
I like the thinkpads they traditionally have good ubuntu support
You can, but it seems finicky
or get any other laptop that is tested to have good support
I was just reading through forums, it's a hit or miss with the config
Yeah, perhaps an X1 Carbon
I've had decent luck running Ubuntu on the T series thinkpads
I believe X1 works well too
That is what I'm running right now T series but its 13in
I'd put lenovo on the black list though
21:38
?
they did a couple of things that should not be forgiven
go on
All manufacturers do such things
like, malware intentionally made persistent via EFI
Lenovo just got caught
You can't blacklist the entire industry
At that rate, Intel and AMD are both out
Gotta use open source ARM
21:38
^ yes and the thinkpad line didn't have the issues
Which won't get you very far
not these kinds of things. a load of crapware—sure, but replacing OS files from EFI?
I guarantee you modern x86 processors have far worse backdoors
We know about a few, I'm willing to bet there are worse ones we don't
Many HDD firmwares have been shown to be backdoored at a chipset level
So your data is always compromised
sure but they aren't used against people en masse yet. at least not in an actively disrupting way.
So many RNGs are broken
I've accepted the fact that we're all compromised
21:40
@RaghavSood HDDs won't see plaintext data if one is using full disk encryption
I just try to keep some stuff off such systems
@SargeBorsch Doesn't matter if your RNGs are broken
software RNGs?
Software, hardware, whatever
it isn't as easy to break RNGs because when you need to compromise a RNG which gets entropy from many sources you need to compromise all of them
I'm not breaking them
21:42
because that's how entropy mixing works
I just believe that it's very likely that the ones we see in regular devices are already backdoored
Whether at a generation level, or at a side channel level
even if that is true, why would I want to make the game easier for them?
My point isn't to make it easier. My point is to accept it, and move data and processes you really care about to more secure machines
It is far easier to reliably secure a small terminal for just SSH use, than to secure your day to day laptop for everything
I am more comfortable with the thought that I had implemented all the practical measures to make them sweat a lot before they get to see my absolutely uninsteresting data and boring cat pictures
It's why I use a large number of external hardware devices, and specific machines and networks to do stuff I actually care about securing
21:45
of course if I do something important, it ought to happen at an airgapped machine
But if someone wants to spy on my Mac and see me go on reddit, they're welcome to waste their time
But my Crypto keys/ssh keys etc. aren't gonna pass through such a machine
yeah, but I'd rather make it hard as well
Of course, I'm not saying just sit there with no password
I use FDE, cover the webcam, diable the mic, good passwords, the whole works
I just don't think that by doing all that I won
you win in a sense if they spend a bunch of resources to pwn your uninteresting laptop and gain nothing from it
That's more of just a sense of satisfaction rather than a victory to me
21:48
hey Raghav I have decompiled a java app. The only ability I want is the functionality for it to scroll to the top of the page.
if we imagine that the life is a zero-sum game
it isn't of course
@William Shouldn't be too hard, though the exact method depends on how the app is built
it is from a function called scrollToTop
If it's just an activity with a scrollview, it's pretty straighforward
I have published the java files here
21:50
If you start adding fragments and recyclerviews and all that it'll be a bit more work
it is actually just using gestures
which is fine
Eventer.java is where it ScrollToTop initially defined.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but right now I don't really have the time to take a look at this. It'll be quite some work to actually understand and rebuild
that's fine. What pointers do you have?
but java doesn't have pointers?
Don't try to implement scrolling straight away. First understand exactly how the app works, and how to rebuild it. Try adding log statements to understand the method flow, and demystify some of the weirdly named anon classes. Once you know how the code works, and how calls move through it, it's a lot easier to change it
It'll also help you iron out any rebuild issues with smaller changes, rather than wondering whether your scroll code or rebuild process or app flow is broken when things don't work
21:56
Thxs. hmm I was hoping there was a way to avoid having to build the app, but if that is required I guess that is what I'll do.
How were you planning to use the changed code without building it?
I don't need the entire code just one function.
There are a lot of dependencies
You will still need to build that code to be able to move it into the apk
And editing compiled bytecode is non-trivial
It is doable, but for such a small app you're better of just building the whole thing
Finished first draft of my blog post
basically I just need to know what parameters he is calling dispatchGesture with
21:59
Just need to push the code for the example project to GitHub
no doubt I have to build something. Hopefully I can factor some of the classes out entirely.
Easiest way to do that is to rebuild the app with debug=true, and breakpoint it
so android:debuggable=”true” stackoverflow.com/questions/2952140/…
if you need small changes, you can avoid "full" decompiling and edit in .smali which is conceptually like Android assembler language
it can be debugged as well
@SargeBorsch no way I'm editing an assembly language
22:02
and you don't need any dependencies to put it back into an apk
@William it's easier than you think
OTOH decompilation to java is a fragile business
you could end up with code that doesn't work correctly anymore
if the project size is big, I think you may actually save a lot of time by not doing the bytecode <-> java roundtrip
because java decompilers aren't perfect
@SargeBorsch I'm sure you are right but unfortunately bytecode and William don't really mix well
and smali is not like an x86 assembler
It's a pretty small project
notice my answer tags. I am more of web developer not programmer
I think the best way would actually be to take all the decompiled code, and rebuilt it into an AS project
22:05
Raghav that's not the entire source, but you probably assumed that
Then get it to compile and install
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Q: What's the best way to learn Smali (and how/when to use Dalvik VM opcodes)?

Ken KinderI know Java, and learned C but never used it. I do not know any form of assembly, either for a virtual machine or a real one. What's the best way to learn how to hack Smali?

That is only the files that were relevant

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