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00:02
so my #1 rule for android dev
is dont optimize until you've read about 10* more than you think you need to
cause it's pretty common to hit stuff like that
@codeMagic you still drinking that AssBourbon?
Hey, Nate! It's been awhile. Glad you could escape and come see us
haha
yea
i got super busy... i'm working for Cyanogen now
nah, moved on to the good stuff since I'm not taking Carl's advice anymore
moving from dc to seattle
Oh, cool!
00:04
yea thats a good idea
carl always seemed to give kinda sketchy advice
In the moving process now?
Lol!
packing
im doing my first week in seattle right now, then flying home and doing the actual move
I'm not sure I'd be excited about that climate change but the job should be cool
yea
climate is going to be a weird transition, but i've already done some really awesome stuff in two days
whats the news in here?
Nice! I'm excited for you!
00:06
ahmad still around?
thanks =)
Yeah, he's going to school and working at wunderlist so that's pretty cool
oh nice
so he finally figured out his job situatio
Mac had an interview with The Google
o/
00:07
did he get it?
sup ahmad
Yep, not sure the last you were here but he....oh, there he is
Don't know. Supposed to hear back this week. Either way, it's good that he took that step
yea thats awesome
His ears were burning
Someone else in here was going to interview with Cyanogen, i think
00:08
oh cool
so far seems pretty nice, got some groovy tshirts
Carl is working for Starbucks (I think it's ok to announce)
noice
good to hear everyone is doing so well
how about you, still fighting with upper management?
Yeah, except I still work for the same shitty company. But I get to announce great news. Lol
Yep!
But I'm working on a couple things and looking at other opportunities
I've been trying so hard to believe in my company because it could be awesome. Just doesn't seem like they are going to quite get things together
00:12
yea
where are you located again?
Northern Indiana
ah, i don't know anything about the tech scene there
anything interesting?
I've found quite a few remote options but not many that I feel great about
No, no not at all
yea i don't really like full time remote work
I'm not sure I would love it full time but I kind of need to with my location and kids
00:14
yea
kids make that tough
And I could handle it
I've had some recruiters call lately about web design. Which is funny because that's probably my worst skill. Haha
cM that implies you have some skills
should rethink the wording to sound more correct
Great, Dave is here. On a completely unrelated note, I need to step away from the computer now
good go away
Dave says as he sadly puts his head down and cries
00:20
haha
i know i went through amazons interview process before i landed at Cyanogen
it was for a senior backend web position
i was like.... wtf? I have 0 web experieince
Haha, Nate!
But still made it through the interviews?
Please do not spend money on that
> TIL the inspiration for "Nacho Libre" was Fray Tormenta, a Mexican priest who turned to wrestling to raise money for an orphanage, but he himself got the idea and name from a 1963 film...about a priest who turns to wrestling to raise money for an orphanage.
00:36
So I want to do a presentation in my class on Android M's runtime permissions as part of a survey on 'mobile app security' but it's not like I'm going to find any technical discussions on it, right?
00:52
So we went to my sister's house for dinner on Sunday and she had these individual pumpkin/turkey things laid out on a table that said 'Thanks' and my brother hid the T and made it spell 'Shank' and she just now posted on FB tagging both me and my brother saying "Who did it?!"
that has nothing to do with runtime permissions
Oh.
well shit.
Fabric says my new iOS build has 11 monthly active users and it's still waiting for review and has only been installed on 1 phone
hmmmm
maybe automated iOS stuff?
That has nothing to do with pumpkins or turkeys
lol you got me there
00:56
Morning
evening Law
Every once in awhile
Hey, Law!
You know what that was a classic harmless prank that my brother and I got away with for over 48 hours and all you guys can do is criticize me.
Y'all motherfuckers need humor.
/o
Hey what is this all about?
have you guys checked out the apple music for android app?
00:58
\0/
morning
it's not bad
Not yet, downloading
o/ leo!
Be nice to your sister McAdam
Last time I checked, it was below 4.0
I mean the Play Store rating
01:01
Mac, it sounds like a nice prank. The problems are that "pumpkin/turkey things" doesn't give us much context. Also, it's confusing on how hiding a "T" turns "Thanks" into "Shanks". I think your story started out good but could have been improved with a little more detail. Please take the rest of the night off and work on that. Shank you
o/ Ahmad
funnier with context McAdam
So is your mother.
01:03
just like in Android development, use the proper context
call me an official contributor to the apple music app
so regarding to the apple music app on Google play, how does it feel to work as "Android Engineer" at Apple?
lol!
The "S" replaced the "T". See that was missed in the original
I think it made perfect sense.
01:04
So does your mom coming to my place
Ahmad, you're an official contributor to the apple music app
Ahmad == Umano how?
You just hide the T McAdam
and you get umano
@LeoLink I guess it must be very weird
everybody must have you and all that
no, actually, the umano stuff is a funny story adam
just a min
01:07
omg guys guess what. I might finally migrate to Android Studio
because I have nothing else to do while I wait on China
Anyone know an app for wireless controlling office from an Android phone that's mac compatible?
so I saw Umano joined Dropbox while you are "Android Dev at M$" on your twitter @Ahmad
So I can give a presentation without having to stand at my computer?
I will accept a Google Slides alternative
Hey, now. MS is awesome.
it's totally not like being an android developer at apple
01:17
okay I can't find it now, but basically the guy that created the AndroidSlidingUpPanel asked a question on stackoverflow
about how to do it
I misunderstood his question and gave him a wrong answer
he in turn goes ahead and modifies the AndroidSlidingPaneLayout from the support lib to do his thing
thing goes viral
he posts the link to the lib in the original question
and I think I send him one pull request on github once
wait. this umano thing really got bought out by dropbox?!
ohhh, no wonder! I think they deleted that question from stackoverflow then...
o/ ola
\o
oh, I thought you were from that team lol
nah
01:51
woah
netflix runs entirely on amazon aws?
they must have one hell of a bill
posted on November 11, 2015 by Tor Norbye

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02:09
\☻/
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02:25
what is the past participle of "timeout", "timedout"?
"timed out"
I ain't a native speaker though :p
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ooh haha I just want to name my variables correct as possible
=P
lol
Timed out is a method of dismissal in the sport of cricket. It occurs when an incoming batsman is not ready to play within three minutes of the previous batsman being out. It is very rare to be out in such a fashion, and has never occurred in any international match. == Definition == Law 31 of the Laws of cricket provides that an incoming batsman must be in position to take guard or for his partner to be ready to receive the next ball within three minutes of the fall of the previous wicket. If this requirement is not met, the incoming batsman will be given out, timed out, on appeal. The "incoming...
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I was about to post that link
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02:30
but this function name looks so wrong getCommandTimedoutCount() what do you think?
what does it do
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return mCommandTimedoutCount;
it is basically a time out for a command to be processed
so I guess it should be getCommandTimeout()
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if the callback didn't trigger within that duration
yeah I get it
"count" is unnecessary here
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02:33
hmm
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02:44
oh wait
it is the count of the command that timed out
I thought the naming convention for non-static private variable is prefixed with "m" but not "my" android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/159630/5/android/src/com/…
Who's programmed a Java program with javafx before?
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Not Ahmad
how do you know
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I just remembered the "Not Ahmad" meme
03:02
LOL
user457812
03:14
I'd just call it commandTimeoutCount.
user457812
Or cmdTimeoutCount.
user457812
I never use the mPrefix thing because it's silly.
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That said, I also use public instance variables unless there's logic behind the setter/getter.
user457812
Too much cargo cult programming in Java land has become the norm.
Jesus Apple is a pain in the fucking ass
It's as bad as PHP
03:18
I didn't user mPrefix before but recently I started using it because it kinda makes sense to me now
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I just want to follow the standards nil. Sometimes I use the public variable without their getters/setters but I marked it as final then initialize it using the constructor.
like when use with getters/setters I use mPrefix, but when write class for Gson, I set all members public without mPrefix.
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The mPrefix norm is slowly lose their purpose because IDE now are becoming more and more intelligent.
user457812
The trouble is that Android isn't running on powerful servers, so the coding style you're using is actually detrimental.
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But it is still looks more professional to me to name it that way
03:26
it looks PRETTY
:p
user457812
Optimizations can help a bit, but ultimately it's not great.
I die from happiness every time I see the Nexus commercials.
user457812
I'm buying an iPad Pro sometime tonight/tomorrow.
user457812
So you say, but there's no good equivalent for people who don't like Windows.
user457812
03:28
Especially since Android tablets still suck.
I have a Nexus 9
Nexus 7 or 9 or 10? I have a Nexus 7 and I love it
user457812
Had a 7 and a 9. Problem is the software's clearly an afterthought and nobody cares about making apps for Android tablets.
um big apps support tablets though
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I hate tablets of every variants. It just looks like a laptop without the keyboard attached but less powerful and kinda backwards
03:30
it only comes in handy when you want to watch something
user457812
I can touch type on an iPad, actually. It's weird.
user457812
Years of typing without looking at a keyboard have apparently made me so good that I also don't need keys.
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keys...?
keystore? @McAdam331
there is something so good about apple is their screens.

In the dark, open a black image full screen on both ipad and nexus 9, ipad shows a completely black screen but nexus 9 shows a black screen with random blur light colorful area
03:41
Hehehehe
^Reminds me of 'good yard'. Some professors are so cool.
GOOD JARD
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I made this for all of you who make fun of me.
Particularly @TristanWiley @DaveS @mr5 @Mauker ^^^
I suppose @codeMagic might find it funny too.
03:49
Ahmad are you here?
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@McAdam331 that student is going in some places. Not school but some places
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I think it's Tristan's convo with his prof?
@Ahmad, just want to to tell me why I should use Kotlin. Can you answer some questions?
TL;DR syntactic sugar and no NPEs.
That's all it is.
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03:52
and don't forget the it's the trend
Hipster Eski is all 'I used Kotlin before it was cool.'
OOoh, aren't you fancy.
I'm so fancy.
YOU ALREADY KNOWWW
mr5 I think it's time
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I'm in the fast lane
From L.A. to Tokyo
You're beautiful Adam
03:55
mr5 shall we
YOU USED TO CALL ME ON MY CELL PHONE
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wait I forgot the melody
wat
you disappoint me, I'm going to go watch my show.
I call you on your cell lol
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I'm listening to "it" to remember again.
ooh
THAT COULD ONLY MEAN ONE THING
Hello guys
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03:58
YOU USED TO CALL ADAM ON HIS CELL PHONE
LATE NIGHT WHEN TRISTAN'S NEED HIS LOVE
@McAdam331 @TristanWiley lyrics 4 u two lovers
There we go
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haa
brb lunch time
user457812
@LeoLink Oh, that's another reason I'm getting an iPad Pro. The stylus won't have accuracy issues.
user457812
So, the Surface Pro and all Android tablets with styluses actually have a problem with accuracy, and this problem goes back to early touchscreens on Android phones like the Droid
user457812
Basically, they chose cheap sensors that works for most cases but if you, for example, wanted to draw anything, you would get a stair-like effect on touch accuracy because the sensors weren't good.
user457812
04:04
This is still an issue if you want to use an Android tablet for art stuff. That said, it's never once affected any iOS devices because Apple nailed it from the start.
05:02
yeah, Apple takes care of details I guess
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woah I just learned how to use wait() and notify()
lol
concurrent programming is hard
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I just learn also that while(pending) is bad so I have tried that locking mechanism
yeah it is :)
 
2 hours later…
user457812
06:39
So I had a nice idea earlier today
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I've been trying to work out an easy way to expose monitoring data for services I write and a way to invoke commands in those services without wasting time on a REST API and whatnot
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And I realized, hey, I should just code in support for Redis's protocol
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Then I'll have a really easy format to work with and I'll be able to invoke commands and get data from just about anything under the sun without tools needing to understand HTTP
user457812
And I'll even be able to just use the Redis CLI client
user457812
It's amazingly dumb and simple but so nice
06:46
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Cats are never not happy.
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Also I have raspberry ginger beer so I'm happy.
07:02
Guys
I tried out Let's Encrypt beta and it's pretty awesome
@McAdam331 you might want to use it in your blog if you ever buy a VPS
user457812
07:50
OK, but go do this cryptopals.com
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08:30
Is it okay if I chmod 777 data/data/* ?
do yow know what does 777 mean ?
775 (if i remember well) is the reccomended.
777 means rwx rwx rwx right? (sudo, user & user group, everyone else)
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yes
I'm just reading the contents from DDMS though
Anybdoy can help me with ./my-script not working in server?
=(
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I can't read it if the last group isn't set to 7
08:33
but 7 means run too. may be risky, right?
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@CptEric I have tried that but still can't access the /data/data/* directory
damn.
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I think I have removed all the 3rd party apps in my cp so it's all built-in
and 776?
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I even removed the Google app
08:35
chmod 776 | -rwxrwxrw- ?
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oh didn't tried but I guess I don't care anymore about my cp because it's crap
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anyway, I will reset it back just in case =P
\o
user457812
08:49
And iPad Pro ordered.
user457812
Apple's site is thankfully not being hammered, which sounds about right since it's now ultra-niche.
any body here has tried to negotiation salary in interview?
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I am really amazed with your broad vocabulary in English @nil that I always need to Google search your words. I wish I will become fluent as you :)
user457812
08:54
Well, I have a degree in English, so I have a small advantage
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Wasn't it your native tongue?
user457812
Yes.
so ultra-niche means?
(I googled but..)
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What is the reason that you took that course?
user457812
Very limited appeal to most people.
08:57
i hate OCR
user457812
i.e., the iPad Pro's audience is small but likely to also be all over it.
niche = a distinct segment of a market.
with all my heart
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Do you want to be an author of some books or something?
someone here who can suggest a good rxjava entry tutorial/blog post?
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08:57
haha my findings is that Niche is a habitat
user457812
Someone tell Warren Ahmad had links to something like that, I think. Also maybe Raghav.
join the club @WarrenFaith
user457812
I think he still has me on ignore.
reading about it right now
user457812
Don't ask about him having me on ignore.
08:58
I am reading about Viper currently but I have to read about RxJava as well... need to broaden my knowledge on tools/libraries and architecture. What are you reading exactly, Leo?
fyi nil, you are not on my ignore list anymore
thanks for the info, I will go looking for it
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Shhh Warren I don't know that.
@WarrenFaith Im reading this: oreilly.com/programming/free/files/…
haven't said anything :)

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