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04:01
so I'm at a zero right now, cya'll later
I base my productivity on how often my boss yell at me.
and then there was silence
ughh why is there always so much work to do
Anyone wanna offer initial feedback on this neutral color scheme?
04:19
Gradient, neat
I see a marshmallow
Indeed you do.
Good, means I can still see things.
Well, the contrast on the selected text bothers me a little.
Liked the header tho
What do you think a good selected color would be?
Hmmm
Just a bit darker perhaps.
lemme try
04:24
Is it a good idea to log the fall occurrences?
Seems better
I've said that cause your selection color is already light, so it feels weird for the text to be that light too.
I went even a little darker but it's hard to see the difference here
I think the second version is good enough already
otherwise it'll be too close to the unselected color
Idk I kinda think the last one's good
04:26
It is
Both are better than the first one
I could just keep the text black, and use the highlight to indicate selection, but idk how I feel about that.
It's better to change it, at least that's how I feel about it.
Agreed. I'm gonna get some sleep soon.
Night all
@mr5 feel free to ping me with your MySQL troubles any time
Night adam
Finishing a diagram, and then off to bed too.
04:49
Yo Shinobis
@mr5 that shutdown command with bye didn't work. :/
You should have slept by now. :)
What's time ?
Well
2 am
I'm writing my thesis
thesis on ?
05:05
to get my bachelor degree
I see a sneaky Ahmad here
05:22
Well
off to bed
see ya o/
mr5
mr5
@TheLittleNaruto hey Chatur
It should have been at least tell you "bye"
I guess that part should work
Yes That worked.
mr5
mr5
I'm not sure with the rest
But what is the point of making that worked ?
mr5
mr5
05:27
I thought it would work :|
Have you tried unplugging the battery?
Immediately unplug the battery while it's ON.
I didn't.
I'll do that.
But what is use of it ?
Why would I unplug the battery while the laptop is still on ?
mr5
mr5
Dunno. I'm just doing a random guess on how you could solve it. Sometimes I fixed my problems by doing those
lol
Alright!
I'll see what I can do.
By the way what does this guy do ?
mr5
mr5
lol
too lazy
Well I didn't bring my laptop. :)
 
1 hour later…
07:04
good morning
fucking apple
Yeh fucking apple
What's wrong now?
4 days "processing" the compliation (ios apk)
and still not processed.
since friday
Just submitted ours last Friday night
I bet they'll just throw it away
(In process) october 23rd, 2015 9:48 a. m.
it's not even being reviewed, it's just the apk upload thing, godammit.
Wow
3 days now
07:08
yup.
they beat their own incompetence records.
last time was a full day, but that's reasonable if there is a long queque.
My boss got into an argument because the other dude doesnt believe that it will take that long for Apple to review.
07:20
> ios apk
what?
Jesus!
First time heard!
compilation*
when you archive a project and send it to the itunesconnect, it usually takes some time to be a "runnable" thing.
but 3 days? ¬¬'
Anyway! How do you guys round off a number to make it multiple of 15 if it's not ?
o/, Vea
o_O
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07:29
Is this launch screens or splash a thing now on Android?
Did Google specify it in any way?
@CptEric Nah! Nah!
we've always added splash screens on our apps, even just for aestethic purposes
Suppose the number is 28, rounding off should give me 30.
But that'll give me 15.
splash screens are #1 sign of deficiency
it means the app just cannot start fast
How many seconds does a splash should appear?
07:31
0
by the way, this is a necessary evil when using Xamarin, because Xamarin imposes startup delay
Haha Im getting to know iOS design guidelines hmmm splash screens, to illusion that your app starts fast
Wtf
one of the reasons why it sucks
we add them because clients like them.
on iOS it's automatic and shown while your init function (or how is is called) is not yet finished
so in ideal case it's zero seconds duration
"we want that thing that show's the app name and logo on start, before everything..:"
07:34
clients may be ignorant, that's a sad fact of life…
yup.
One of my apps, I use splash to get data. Sorry?
Fucking clients
but they pay. so, if the want the text cyan and the background magenta, who we are to complain?
You are so right
i'll just wear sunglasses while coding to avoid my iris to pop out.
07:36
if this data is required for showing something meaningful, then it's probably a good thing
I'm talking about the artificial delays
but… the data should probably get cached
because sometimes apps also get launched without Internet access, for example :P
if check internet > show app else show alert and close app on "ok".
fixed.
doing something for "problematic" clients can have other downsides
suppose you want to showcase your work (portfolioâ„¢)
if the examples are gross, you'll have to also explain that it's just because of client that wanted it that way
we hide the most terrible ones
yeah
it's good when something else does remain :)
Yeh that's what I did
07:41
and some can't be shown :,(
At least the splash has a purpose
for example one of our apps is only "released" on a private network
Some, you cant have a portfolio because the client dont want you to
having to make excuses is a PITA, in general
(chirurgical assistance). they paid for all the rights of it, even the code ownership.
07:43
So if someone asks me, is it okay to say that I worked for this company a or b right?
showing the code is not necessary, sometimes one might want to be able to just say "that's me who did that thing"
but if the example is cyan text on magenta background, then it's a questionable thing to do
nah, but they also got the whole ownership of it, so officially it's theirs.
and they don't wanna show it for now.
it was a really good one, took a lot of time, and was full of fragments.
proud feeling
question: in your country, what type of high-level academics do you have? University? university + college? university + college + pregrad ? uni + pregrad?
to make a distinction: an university teaches and grants pregrad, grad and postgrad degrees ( bachelor, PHd, master in.. ) , a college teaches and grants pregard, and only teaches (if avaliable) grad ( bachelor) degrees, but an university must award it on completion), and a pregraduate school taches and awards pregraduate degrees only.
In here, college grad youre good. You can land a job
I mean it is enough
07:59
and an added question: how much prestigious is a college grad / pregrad compared to a university grad?
here we don't have college, just pregrad and university. and the first one is treated like shit by the government, even when it reaches many more content than it's university counterpart.
08:19
University or grad here is the same
The not so good treatment are associates, 2 year courses
That cant land you a job, depending if you really like programming
seems associate is simialr to what we've got here.
but we're more near to the scottish/english DipHE.
\o black
i really feel dissapoint with my gov. it's creating a lot of low-qualty, low-prestige, and worse, low-IQ "associate" degrees covering a range from "weird" to "gross".
that do not provide either a job or an academic possible outcome for the students.
so i wanted to know "how's the world outside this history-recessing blob of conservaturism"
08:47
o/
09:00
Mornin' people.
Hello
so, graeme, black, on a range from spain to germany, how fucked up is your ed. system? (the question i asked above). :p
Huh, what? Black? Wha?
Iam italian btw
09:09
Oh, I see, hold on
Here you have High School / 6th-form or college / University
College and University can both do pre-grad diploma's, although they're pretty much worthless.
Almost same here ^
what contents to these associate/pre-grad diplomas cover?
Everything you can think of
Since they mean nothing, basically anyone can make any "course" up and get it accredited (In my completely un-knowledgeable opinion)
09:13
it's technical stuff or it's vague stuff like "orthodoncist assistant, administrative secretary..."
uhmm. then it's not like here.
here we've got them divided in two tiers. job-ready ( medium), and academic ready ( high ).
Why would job-ready is considered to be medium ? It should come under "high".
job-ready : car mechanic. it's academic ready counterpart is , afaik , "vehicle electronics and engine techincian".
so here it's : 4 years high school > 2 years medium ( then you can go to a high or to the pre-grad, or directly to the job market / 2 years pre-grad ( you can go to a high or to the university)) > 2 year high ( job or uni)> 4 - 6 year uni > 2 year master > N year PhD.
job-ready is for the high school students that don't want to continue studying and grab a job, or that never finished high school. hence the medium.
lately the GOV has been trying to close the gap by lowering the prestige of the high and creating more and more stupid high counterparts >_<
so instead of getting more near to the Uk / germany / french College®, we'd be more near to the car mechanics and the street cleaners if it wasn't for our region's gov.
Is your college expensive there?
UK university shouldn't be a target. It covers such a wide range of "Not really a qualification" to "the most meaningful qualification in the country"
And unless you know the university/course it's hard to tell the difference
the university? not as expensive as outside i think.
lately the prices have risen, but it's around between 1200€-4000€ the year, depending on how technical (and hence, how many overpriced material it requires) the degree is.
that's the price if you pass all the classes thoguh.
09:28
Here it's getting to £9000 a year no matter how rubbish the university/course is
if you don't pass one, or more than one ,it gets multiplied a lot and can get up to 10.000€ if you're a really bad student.
woah. well, your minimum average salary is also higher....
ours is 647€/month (no taxes applied).
9.30€/ hour is being damn rich here, and that's your minimum for age 21 and over.
Compared to America, yours is okay right? You dont need loans?
nope.
just for private universities
but only rich sons-of-daddy go there
they are >15k / year
1190.4€ / month is your (UK) minimum wage on a 8 hour break. that's being a Senior Developer expert with Phd here...
Let me convert it
Here everyone can go, but you always end up with a pretty big loan afterwards
09:35
there are also pretty big grants for good students here, but only for public uni students
Salary is decent enough
Could it go any higher?
so you goto private, you pay your degree. you go to public and get > 9's ? your degree is free.
@LawGimenez that salary is what richer-than-average people gets paid. the average programmer / high-accreditated student gets paid is between 650 and 800€/ month. and that's not decent even before you cut from it the taxes and look at what's left.
Yeh that's bad
Im earning more or less on that range on my day job, without freelance Im fucked
here a 3-room house rent is around 450€ / month, so you can make the calculation on what's left to pay the gas, electricity, water, and food...
in my city rents are lower but we're the exception.
where are you from ?
09:40
3 room that means you get to share with others right?
But how bout single bed rooms?
spain.
single bed rooms , between 70 and 200€, depends on how near to the city centre & uni you are
or how fucked up is the neighborhood.
How large is the tax in Spain? I mean how much percent on the basic salary
In Pisa the average of one single bed room in a shared flat is around 300 euros
09:43
^woah.
depends , you pick one part of it, the other is fixed based on your annual salary.
the city was nice
the university wasn't expensive
so for example i've a got a 2% for the IRPF ( tax over wealth) , and around 100€ to social security ( healthcare, retirement, losing job grant...)
Not bad I guess
single rooms in barcelona can get up to 300 or 400 though. big city, big prices. it's best to live in one of it's Commuter towns around it
not bad, but if your salary after taxes are removed is 500€, and your rent is 300€.... you've got 200 for internet, food, gasoline/gasoil, electricity, gas, water...
No one can survive more or less 200
09:55
spanish students can. living off misery since 2007©®.
my salary is really above the average for a 4h/day worker.
8.23/h
@.@
You get paid 8.23 euros an hour?!
.... i do..
How old are you?
22
why?=
Oh, phew, okay
10:00
?¿
#.#
i'm lost
You work as a developer right?
haha what is that
10:02
I was getting £18/h for my first job :/
^ I posted this to cool down the situation
Come to the UK :)
UK has problematic laws
it may require to disclose a password from an encrypted disk
that image should be considered NSFW XD now i have to resize the window XDXDXD
and if it happens to be just random noise, one could be jailed (because there's no password for "decrypting" it into something sensible)
strange, in my case it displays as usual
10:04
I make like $2bn a second
it filled my whole screen
a 1920x1080 retina display.
which browser?
chrome, as usual.
@Graeme 18/h it's a damn lot man.
in chrome it displays OK for me, too…
10:05
but imgur did the bad job and converted it to jpeg
even though the original pic was less than 1MB
The minimum wage here is 7.20
probably it also imposes some pixel size limit
here it's around 3.5€ i think.
You wouldn't want to know what I'm on now if you think 18/h is a lot :P
bah. it's also a different place where the cost of live is also higher.
i've seen your cooking / heating gas prices. jawdropping.
we pay 1/10th of that
10:07
after direct uploading it's finally made not damaged by jpeg compression
looks like a problem with stack.imgur
bettah
now it's just ~500x500
hand-sized.
and still 3000*3000 when opened
as intended
What are you on now graeme?
getResources().getString() <- i've written this a thousand times today.
It's just getString() I guess
Not sure
10:12
More than 3x as much
cool
3 times than 18?
[how] do you like living in UK overall?
glad somewhere out of this ungrateful hole there's life for a programmer. i mean, my salary is really good here compared to what we get paid for our projects and things, i'm not speaking against my boss but the system as a whole, that's build to generate low-paid jobs and low-paid contracts.
Yup
I plan to emigrate to Canada eventually :P
10:18
so what's your job Greame?
Android Developer :)
business oriented, end-user (games, services) oriented?
10:34
Education, but, doesn't really matter what sector
cool.
Or at least, I haven't noticed it being different
we do only business / administration related apps.
so, museums, schools, travel / tourism companies, etc...
Eek, they've added 4 more abstract methods to RecyclerView.ItemAnimator ...
are they good?
10:40
Argh, worse, they've replaced method's with different methods... x.x
damn.
i think i don't use any of them, i only use the swipe mechanics.
Was using the source from 23.0.1, had to replaced it with source from 23.1.0 since all the methods have changed. Oh well, looks like a class coded by a grown up now :P
o/
i am happy now. i just checked what will my yearly salary be when i finish studying. double than the avg in spain.
10:46
\o
I earn less than double the average wage :(
Shows how much the highest 1% skew the averages with the ridiculous amounts they get paid. Criminals.
here the directive salaries are not added to the avg.
so it doesn't distort it.
so anything above 60k/year is out of the graph.
(except in the government graphs, ofcourse.)
So you have an average pay of everyone earning under $60k but no publicly accessible figures for everyone? Suppose it gives you a good idea of wage gap
Hello Mister Pork
10:51
there are two entities making the numbers, one is the government's work ministery, and the other is the worker's representative officer, that is independant to it.
the first shows everything on the same jar.
the second makes detailed graphs to avoid faking numbers like the gov does.
Sounds like a sensible set up, here workers don't have any real protection from corporate bosses. UK is screwed, will turn into a slave nation at this rate.
we will too, the protection grows smaller everyday
fro example, Gov tells us that we're recovering because there are 300k less registered as job seekers.
then the worker's data comes out and you see that they just gave up looking for job, because there's 25k less contracts and -275k registered job seekers.
also minijobs just came in the german way
so you can get a 3 hour / week contract now.
to be restaurant server during 1 turn the saturdays.
and that qualifies as "new job created".
We have 0 hour a week contracts :P
lol
time to lunch.
i see our governments are depressingly slaverish.
marx, where art thou...
time to lunch. will come back at 16 aprox.
have fun
o/
Home from HackUMass, well now I'm at school. But you get the point.
^ amount of mental energy?
12:17
\o/
12:33
Oh, for anyone interested, they finally fixed CoordinatorLayout
what exactly didn't work?
my second week without any #C0FFEE

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