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I've just noticed my Stack Overflow profile views. Over 1k! Good god.
Hi all, I'm kinda in rather desperate need of some advice regarding building an android app (My first one). I decided to use rhomobiles' Rhodes 3 platform which works really really well for me up to a point (I have RoR and Ruby development experience) and I have been able to get an app working pretty much the way I want it except for the fact that I am totally at a loss as to how to make use of external jar files
Now I'm at a point where I have to make a decision.
I've seen your question on Stack Overflow.
lokl :)
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Q: Could someone please walk me through implementing admob jar in a Rhodes 3 android app?

jameswIf you feel like a real challenge then I would be eternally grateful if someone could walk me through implementing admob as a native extension of a Rhodes 3 android app. Actually I'm trying to understand how to implement any jar file as a native extension in Rhodes 3 for an Android app but I kno...

That's the one
00:03
Weeeelll, I have no idea. Never used Rhodes 3.
I'm getting no help from anywhere on this (not even from rhomobile) apart from some small snippets of advice so I'm thinking that I need to decide whether or not to stick with Rhodes 3 or go with another development platform
@jamesw it is the weekend so myou may find that the new week brings you some assistance
I'd always stick to the base platform.
That is developing without any other abstraction layer in between.
Which presumably is Java for android?
Unfortunately.
00:06
@OctavianDamiean that's called machine code
lol
Uhm, not that low-level. :D
I'm feeling brave after getting my synch working
@jamesw Yes Java ( I was just being silly)
I'm feeling tired after doing nothing all day.
00:07
No worries
Does anyone fancy having a real go at learning rhomobile :)
It's just such a great platform and I really don't want the massive learning curve of Java right now (I'm getting too old for this!)
Well you could give PhoneGap a go.
It is web technology based.
I had a quick look at that but it firghtened me
I assume C++ isn't better then? :D
I'd love to have a Python framework for Android.
Do you know! Neither ought to be a problem for me but my head just can't quite seem to get round it right now
I think the combination of tackling a new development platform (mobile phone) oplus languages that I only have a passing aquantance and the new technologies with is just a bit daunting
Ooops Sorry for the typo's
No worries. You can just hit the up-arrow key on your keyboard and edit the last message. ;)
Actually every message posted within 120 seconds.
00:17
Cool. That's better
This is IRC meets Web 2.0. Kinda like IRC++ if you want. :D
Right, time to feed my unipony and get some sleep.
Good night.
Well, I edited it but possibly a little too late in sending the edit. Never mind! Perhaps I'll wait to see if I get any help tomorrow before making a decision. Thanks for the input
You're welcome.
Night Oct ... I'm knackered too after my sync drama
Think I'd better get some sleep too.
Hope you get some kind of response tomorrow james
Sorry I couldn't be of any help but my brain is being tortured enough with the project I'm doing
Thank you night all. I've gotta go help someone with a Rails problem now. How do I start another chat room and invite someone?
00:26
Just check out their profile there's a start chat button
Cool! Night
Wait a second ... you need to check out their "chat profile" but I think if you go to their normal one on stack overflow you can change the start of the url to chat.stackoverflow.com .... that will take you to the chat profile
alternatively find them in another room and you can access both profiles from there
is seems weird that htis functionality is separated
I'll give that a try.
Anyway, bedtime for me ... night :) afk4zzzzzzzzz
user457812
Woo, 1.1k rep
00:35
Well it's taken me 3 days to get from 1 to 154 lol :)
Got a long way to go
user457812
01:02
I should answer more OpenGL ES-related questions, just 'cause I can
Goon morning :)
user457812
Well, I am a goon, so ok
oh my good. I typewrite wrongly again!
good morning
:$
good morning Judy
Did not I wake up?
good morning Thunder. I was wrong again.
01:10
we're all wrong sometimes, Judy. No problem!
Even Octavian thought he was wrong once!
awesome time for an awesome misspelling!
:) Thank you for your encourager
:-)
Thank you for chatting in a non-native language.
I can improve my English. ^_^
 
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user457812
04:53
So many questions to downvote, so little time
05:11
maybe you should write a spider for SO
if(author not in ApprovedList())
{
downvoteAndComment(HAHA_U_MAD);
}
user457812
05:25
That is the worst code I've ever seen, downvotes4u
haha
06:17
Finally I have write access now
welcome, Ramji
Thanks a lot for inviting me
Who is the owner of this room
@ThunderRabbit How are you doing
Octavian Damiean is the owner of the room
I'm fine and busy; how are you?
I am not bad, glad I could talk to you :)
Me too!
What kind of Android development are you doing?
06:30
I am learning android development and I have been learning for the past 1 month, I have a doubt on C2DM
user457812
I want a pet rabbit.
Nice to see you, Ramji
Pleasure is mine @Judy
I've heard rabbits are nice, but can bite and scratch pretty effectively.
@ThunderRabbit Rabbits are definitively good in something, probably that's why playboy uses them as their logo.
Hi, How are you doing @nil
user457812
06:34
Well, Daily Show keeps me placated enough to not downvote every bad question I find
@Judy What kind of android development are you into
Ramji I focus on application and framework in android since 2009 year.
@Judy Wow, then it means you can help me :)
I will if I can.
@Judy I have a few doubts here and there, mostly conceptual
06:42
There are a lot of experts in this room.
@Judy One of them is I wonder, if there is a way to listen to puch (tickler) notification of the facebook server, via the C2DM
you can search them online at first.
@Judy I did a lot and finally I am here, coz they are not online yet
searching online or on StackOverflow is definitely best
Sorry, I am not familiar with C2DM.
06:44
you should write a question on StackOverflow first
It is polite to use @mentions if the other person you chat with is away. Judy is here so I think putting it in every line is not necessary.
you can post the question here and people will look at it if they have a chance
@ThunderRabbit I actually did that once yesterday and the gentleman nil, downvoted me :(
superior
point
soz :D
06:45
nil is trying to help you create better questions.
Sorry Reno
I ended up deleting the question itself
I see
well maybe you can read about how to write good questions and then try again.
When I read the C2DM tutorial
it said that
facebook sends push messaging
and the idea of sending push messaging is to send a tickler to the app in the android device, stating something has changed and time for the client to make a sync with the server
There are quality problems with android questions so we downvote and close the one that are duplicates or of bad quality
I was wondering if there was a possibility if my 3rd party android client listening to the tickler intents
06:48
Nothing personal. If this site keeps accepting poor questions it will end up being like yahoo answers.
I understand your point Reno
I have the greatest respect for stackoverflow
I really like the idea of like minded people helping each other
I am sure there are a lot of genius in here
@Reno : hii need your help if you free
You're the next genius, Ramji
I really like your attitude.
Ramji, Sorry, I can't help you. I am not that genius.:)
I do not have a great attitude - Thunder, I had been trying to get to this room for 2 days. I ended up inviting everyone else to a private room and sometime thereby increasing their temper
06:51
I'm a bit busy, ask a question on Stack Overflow Kartik. (if you want android related help that is)
No problem Judy, I really appreciate your efforts
BTW Judy where are you from
I come from china
we are neighbors then :)
Really? where are you?
India
06:54
Judy and I are neighbors as well; I'm in Japan.
Transitivity rocks :)
Wow, a lot asians here :) Thunder
we're neighbors in this linked list!
China -- India -- Japan
^_^
06:56
Thunder I have a question
feel free to ask as long as you don't ping me. ;-)
Germans and Japs lost everything by the end of Second world war, but they were able to recover well in a couple of decades. How is that
I dunno; I wasn't here, and I'm not Japanese. :-)
Were you there during Tsunami
not really.
I felt the earthquake, but Tokyo didn't have any tsunami damage
07:00
hmm, my mom learns japanese
 
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08:22
@Ramji How to Ask is something you should take a look at.
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Hmm, my app is getting some major work done. I'm ditching 'fallback' for something a little more intelligent.
I'm also removing the camera functionality as a choosable option
I swear I've rewritten this camera class 10 times now...
user457812
08:50
How to Bask (in My Glory) is unfortunately still being written.
Oh yea, this is a must-read for my regulars. Help Vampires: A Spotter’s Guide
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My book "Rewrite rewrite rewrite - a story of failing over and over" is still being written.
user457812
Yeah, read that one before, Octavian
09:21
A side note.
> Note that I use ‘he’ here in the general sense even though Help Vampires are almost exclusively male. It appears that male Help Vampire, drawn as it is to shiny technology, occupies an evolutionary niche that females of the species simply do not find desirable.
This is totally wrong.
She apparently is a feminist.
09:41
Or just a moron
10:03
Whats up @Ammu
user457812
I think it's time to sit in bed and watch anime like the lazy person I am.
@OctavianDamiean I sent you a add request from my skype id
user457812
Ah, skype, the only way I have to insult my friends verbally anymore..
10:31
Gah, I change my code to use ASyncTask "properly" and it's a laggy piece of crap
Screw it, I'm handling threading myself
hey there
been a while since I was here... any important news? :)
10:48
Uhm, well, I don't think so.
Ah well yes, 20cm snow in Salzburg city today.
Great summer isn't it?
oh yeah really nice... I think I can see the sun today for the first time since two weeks or so
btw. I got a transformer, too :)
Ah! Awesome.
How do you like it?
pretty nice toy^^
Oh yea, ditch the default browser.
rooted it and flashed prime 1.6 on the first day
10:51
What? 1.6?
You kidding me.
why?
Oh hold on that is just the custom image version. :D
I thought you meant you've flashed Android 1.6 on it.
xD
no that would be kind of useless I guess
its a custom 3.1 rom
Well it caused a o_O moment.
but currently I think my tablet really is not more than a toy
used it to check mails, browse the web and played some games
10:53
I love that thing. It is always with me.
firefox works great on it, much better than on my desireHD
Well what else would you need anyway?
I'm not sure on the browser question though.
There is Firefox as you say and Opera.
dunno, I hope to find a "useful" thing to do with it^^
Like developing for Honeycomb?
have you tried dolphinHD? it works well too
10:55
I've tried it and immediately uninstalled it.
I hate blurry text.
Oh yea, here is something for your lolz.
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Q: How can I find out if a device has a vibrator?

Octavian DamieanI have a device of which I don't know if it has a vibrator. Is there a way to query for the availability of the vibrator?

hm? I haventz noticed this yet
Note the comments. :P
^^
just reminded me on that^^
Oh my god.
do you have any great apps I could try on my tablet=
11:05
Evernote is great on the tablet.
hm gotta try this this evening
I use colornote on my DHD and it does its job good
but a synch between the devices will probably make me drop it
Evernote is really a great app. You should checkout their website too.
Oh yea and VNC Viewer.
I'm controlling my desktop computer with VNC Viewer sometimes.
website is blocked from my workspace here
have you checked the asus cloud apps?
there is a tool to control your pc with it too
11:10
Nope.
Oh, nice.
the server for the pc is included in the pc suite from asus
There is a Linux client for Evernote called Nevernote.
I doubt that the PC control thingy will work on Linux.
ah your on linux
I think I read mac and pc but not linux
Do you have the keyboard too?
not yet
11:14
Same here, I'll buy mine soon-ish.
I think I will get it till the next semester
have you tried some games from the nvidia tegra zone?
Hey buddies some people creating two profiles here and upvoting their posts and answers
@Mav3ric Nope.
@Kartik Tell me.
you should try galaxy on fire 2, pretty nice graphics show off
I'm installing Tegra Zone right now.
11:21
Not quite sure but you can see this post here : stackoverflow.com/questions/6815084/…
you can see in the post " Thanks Nik"

And see the answer posted by "Nik.."
@OctavianDamiean
Hmm, it might be a coincidence but on the other hand that Nik.... has a very bad English for an american.
Those are definitely not the same person.
@OctavianDamiean can you remove my 3 posts?
hi bunny :P
11:34
thanks
Nik is a nickname for Nikhil
and yes scorpio looks like a sockpuppet
I'm not that sure.
I mean it is very interesting that both have google.com set as their website but that is not a proof.
I'd say it is worth reporting it though.
Oh you did already. :)
I couldn't find any connection between him and that other account other than that one answer.
It might be a second account, I can't tell but it is definitely not used to game the system.
12:04
yeah I think I'm wrong. The only pattern I saw was bad english.
Only mods will know
Yea reporting it doesn't harm.
12:37
I wonder why they pounced on me :D
that was awkward
It sure is.
It was time to leave a glitter trail with my unipony.
:D
13:04
It left me in this state.
hyperboleandahalf!
Yup. It is awesome.
Anyway, they are apparently fighting among themselves for no apparent reason.
As always.
Eww nice! Hyperboleandahalf has a shop. zazzle.com/ickybana5/gifts
13:24
do you have recommendations for best JSON parser in Android?
I've heard that GSON is pretty useful.
Yup, the builtin one
However you might know that best in a question tends to make it subjective. :)
thanks
I will probably go with built-in one because our app is already a big fat cow
:D
The built-in version is just as good, you'll just have to handle the data-to-object mapping by hand that is all.
13:27
just strings so not too bad I hope
Nah, it never is. Nothing is bad except of the Android documentation.
hahaha
I'm lookin' for a nice little example using the built in JSON parser
Take a look at the awesome Android documentation. I know that it is quite the opposite of what I've said first. :D
THank you MErlin
(not time to fix typos)
In that case you are excused of course. :D
Not typos ... just stylish :)
:-)
Merlin; your link isn't coming up for me.
13:33
Me either, it loaded once then died
is it basically the same?
Depending on how big your objects are you may want to look at GSON. Tutorial here javacodegeeks.com/2011/01/…
Merlin's link came up; I like the classes I found in the instropy.com example
ps: client is changing specs again
You should really really take a look at the JSONTokener too.
Of course he is.
That is what clients are supposed to do.
hahahah
I love JSONTokener; thank you for reaffirming my need to scope its simplicity
13:38
You're welcome.
yikes stripes I have to put try-catch blocks around 3 parts of it
not so simple anymore
I just use JSONArray and JSONObject ... I didn't even think to use anything more than that
JSONArray myDataArray = new JSONArray(myStringOfJsonData);
@ThunderRabbit Just enclose the entire JSON parsing thingy with that try-catch block.
Or just put it in a function and allow that function to throw exceptions, then you can catch all of them from outside
And remember to check the payload you are going to feed to JSONObject. It takes it time to parse big ones.
13:42
good point
58 secs ago, by Merlin
Or just put it in a function and allow that function to throw exceptions, then you can catch all of them from outside
for the moment, I'm just going to receive a list of up to 12 strings
@Audrius is there a size limit?
Sounds good ---^
Hey all
Is anyone here making money from Android apps?
13:43
@Merlin there is a more relevant, patience limit (-.
Still faster than xml though
@Dave You mean from apps in the market or by developing applications?
sorry, from Apps in the market
Parsing 700KB took long enough for me to kill the test application before it finished.
turns attention to his unipony again
13:44
is it really possible to build a business around apps
that doesn't involve developing for clinets
Might be a bit hard but it sure is possible.
Thats my point, its a lot easier to develop apps for clients
but what is the ROI in terms of satisfaction
this is my current dilemma btw
Well I'm always satisfied as long as I am able to write software.
... still couldn't resist
I'll tell you from experience, it's possible that developing for clients can be a nightmare
13:46
Might be interested in that Google IO talk.
I'll tell you from experience, it's certain that developing for clients will be a nightmare.
HAHAHAHAA
Fixed that for you.
D'OH!!!!
If I could write D'OH in a huge font, I would
@Dave, I think it's more important to write an app for yourself and share it ... if you have success on the marketplace then all the better but just make sure it's about the prorgam, not the money
a font bigger than my app
13:48
thats great, watching the Google I/O talk now
yeah I also know from experience that developing for clients is a nightmare
that article on vampires is pretty good.
however its a guaranteed source of income
I've developed around 5 iOS apps, revenue is around $300 a month
Developing is a nightmare ... developing for clients is night terrors!!!
13:49
but thats not enough to create a business
enough to live in Thailand!
Well that isn't bad.
Yeah its not bad, but its not great either
Apple store and Android Marketplace are 2 different kettles of fish though
yeah, how are you guys finding the Marketplace?
13:50
@Dave Well you can build your app and then extend its functionality through the desktop side of software. Basically it would be SaaS on a mobile.
Two different markets, if you will.
fish markets?
biscuits!
anyone willing to share how much they make each month from their own app downloads?
13:51
including ad revnue?
lol
0.00 (same in all currencies)
I figured.
13:53
@Reno Try to contact me on one, pick something from my profile.
@Reno re:biscuits - yes please :)
@OctavianDamiean I forgot to mention that I managed to get that list to autoupdate. I'd forgotten to set a notifier on the cursur - silly me!!!
Oh, well done though. :)

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