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2:18 AM
Yo, anyone got a sec? I need to test something on chat
 
Shoot
Your second is up
 
2:42 AM
Why would we ever do that?
 
Some people are nice, you'll learn that one day
you should really import your nice module
 
It was deleted along with other weak code
 
@JBis I prefer you to be the nice person & I shall remain to be the mean cat.
 
@RaghavSood I'm sure you can find it in your backups
 
 
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5:37 AM
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6:08 AM
o/
 
7:06 AM
Has anyone ever debugged through a bug report sent from a device?
 
not really
 
 
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eli
9:14 AM
[ Hi ]
 
eli
9:44 AM
Kotlin nerds i have changed my app from java to kt. I have three fragment in the MainActivity both fetching data from roomDb using AndroidViewModel class
When i try to initiate this class in my fragment like private val viewModel: RoomPersistenceViewModel? by activityViewModels() gives me error cannot instantiate RoomPers class
 
9:57 AM
whats the exact exception?
 
eli
RuntimeException: Cannot create an instance of class com.google.android.tznbs.room.model.RoomPersistenceViewModel
 
there should be a stacktrace
 
eli
The error starts when i want to use viewmodel `viewModel?.listIndicatorsLivesData?.observe(viewLifecycleOwner, Observer { t ->
if (!t.isNullOrEmpty()){
createRecyclerViewWithAdapter(t)
}
})`
I dont know why but this is happenning with a middle fragment only others are working fine
 
10:28 AM
o/
 
Tim
didn't you ask this question earlier? @eli
 
Help vamp, let me get the wooden stake
The blunt wooden stake
 
eli
yes Tim it keeps repeating esp in the same fragment class
 
Tim
anyway viewmodel val shouldn't be nullable
 
10:38 AM
hei
 
This was the most starred message last year on this day:
Jun 13 '19 at 13:36, by ColdFire
@Jordy Tim jong un
 
11:04 AM
Good evening all
how are you all ?
 
Tim
11:30 AM
good, last day of work before 2 days holiday
 
12:09 PM
I am of the opinion that weekends should be 3 days long starting on friday
 
Yeah, I bet you think that all humans deserve a living wage and free healthcare too
 
we've had 4 days week for almost 1.5 months, and my productivity was similar to the 5 days week
@RaghavSood hahaha
 
We didn't build this multi trillion dollar global economy on the ideals of compassion and quality of life
And we're gonna keep it that way
 
does the board accept suggestions that maybe of benefit for both?
 
Certainly, please address them to The Incineration Room, EvilCorp (Formerly known as IBM)
There's no need for a postcode, the postal service knows where to send it
 
12:19 PM
hope I'm not billed by the byte of data in my message...
 
1:02 PM
I tried to debug a 569047 line bug report sent from device, but could not find the information I am looking for.
Random crashes, why you so hard?!!
 
1:13 PM
Ribbit :D
 
Tim
banned
 
That's my singla day greeting Tim
I'm allowed to do that
 
Tim
fine
 
1:31 PM
Yes, fine him
4 ounces of gold seems fair
 
He means fine as in good -_-
stop twisting everybody here -_-
 
Tim
no I meant you should be fined
 
Can fine be goods ... like 100 chickens?
 
meh :meh_emoji:
😒
 
random fact, did you know that there is more than 8 times more chicken than humans on earth?
 
1:42 PM
Yes
 
I thought it's 3 times not 8 times.
 
it was probably true in the 70s or 80s
 
And you know mosk male chickens are terminated right after birth cause they're not profitable?
Have we done that with humans?
 
Or because of this:
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wtf XD
there is a nice documentary (it's in french, don't know if there is an english version) youtube.com/watch?v=stCxLxBMjYA, every single fact is so beautifully expressed and made to remind us that we humans are completely irrelevant
the pinned comment on that youtube video means: "I don't think I've ever been treated as insignificant with that much elegance" :D
 
 
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2:52 PM
yoyo mornin
I gave my computer a nasty virus last night lol anyone have any suggestions on a new laptop?
 
3:07 PM
throw it to the river and buy a not windows based system one
or format your hard drive and install a system different than windows
 
@ballBreaker stop clicking on "meet excited local women" banners
6
 
3:23 PM
Does anyone know what this type of variable naming is called? my_variable_name
 
snake case
 
I knew it was an animal
Thanks
 
@ballBreaker get a mac
also, since when does virus == new laptop, seems like you are looking for an excuse
 
a) this laptop has been dead to me for a while now
b) never buy an HP in your life, take my word for it
c) I can't even get into the BIOS menu OR safe mode upon boot
I need a Linux USB with virus tools if I wanna do anything
But I don't want to waste a single minute of my life dealing with this, so I'm going to Office Space it later on today afterwork and kill it with fire + a golf club
 
3:31 PM
@ballBreaker i got one of those
doesn't hp have a recovery parition?
 
man I hate(d) this laptop so so much
 
boot up to that, fix your shit, and done
 
I have never hated a piece of electronics more
I can't even get into the BIOS tho
 
Get a real OS and then you won't have this problem
 
When I boot it up there is legitimately zero options for anything
It's not the OS fault, it's HP's fault
 
3:32 PM
You need a keyboard shortbut
cut*
 
yeah trust me lol I tried every key
I tried for about an hour last night to get into safe mode/BIOS menu and notihng worked
That was already an hour longer than I was prepared to give
 
iirc hp has. like 10 different startup key combos for the same thing depending on the computer
 
lmao yeah I tried every possible one
Going forward I'm gunna do two things: 1) Never buy another HP product in my life and 2) make sure on my new laptop I have the tools I need pre-downloaded
I didn't care enough about that computer to preinstall HiJackThis
 
get a real os while your at it
macOS or Linux
 
3:35 PM
> Access the BIOS Setup utility using a series of key presses during the boot process.

Turn off the computer and wait five seconds.
Turn on the computer, and then immediately press the Esc key repeatedly until the Startup Menu opens.
Press F10 to open the BIOS Setup Utility.
 
I will make a linux partition on this one
 
that is the dumbest startup
'Hit ESC until it works'
 
lmao I tried that too
I bought this laptop on some BestBuy black friday sale, it was an excellent price for the specs, but in reality it was the biggest piece of garbage I ever spent money on
The model doesn't even exist online
 
macOS you just hold CMD + R, always works. That gets you to recovery partition or auto makes one if it doesn't exist/corrupted
 
It's like some random one-time model they released just THAT year for THAT black friday sale
Best Buy and HP are cancer
The amount of bloatware that was pre-loaded on that thing was criminal
 
3:37 PM
G.e.t a r.e.a.l. O.S.
 
The sad part is that when I was getting the virus I was like 75% aware of what was going to happen and just risked it anyways
 
That should be your Tinder bio
 
lmfao
"You'll probably give me a virus and I'm 75% sure you will; but I'm going to risk it anyways"
 
10 mins ago, by JBis
also, since when does virus == new laptop, seems like you are looking for an excuse
 
Who's your virus guy, JBis?
He's clearly not giving you the good stuff
 
3:39 PM
Myself
 
Yeah I cant wait to beat this thing to death with a golf club later, I've been looking forward to it since last night
 
That explains it
 
@JBis a) yes, b) yes, and c) yes
 
Then again, 99% of viruses and malware on macs are harmless, just annoying popups thanks to Apples sandboxing and friends.
 
If I had hijackthis i woulda been fine but I didn't because i don't really care
but that being said if anyone has good suggestions for laptops that aren't Macs I'm open to any suggestions
 
3:42 PM
T580
 
@JBis Rick roll alert
 
Or an Acer Swift 5, I quite like it
 
fuck you zucc
 
Hah
 
no one likes you
 
3:43 PM
I like him
 
and your a no one
@RaghavSood ew
> Enhanced security built in for peace of mind
 
@RaghavSood How are the T5 series? I've been having to deal with all the T4 series lenovo's at work
they've been pretty great in general but some models are worse than others
Ooo Acer.. nice, they were a make I was considering getting so far, I've always liked their tech
It's wierd on those Acer swifts, the home page says they're NVIDIA gfx but thne the specs have some random intel integrated one lol
 
T5XX is pretty much just a T4XX with a bigger screen in most cases
Occasionally you get a slight bump to max RAM or space for a second SSD
I wouldn't go for the TX90 line, most of that is soldered, hard to upgrade/repair
 
why would someone want a second drive instead of a bigger first drive
 
I have a T580 and a Swift 5 right now
I run my laptop over a ZFS pool, kinda pointless doing that with one drive
 
3:55 PM
Ahhhh okay fair enough, the screen is kinda small on the T4XX's so makes sense
 
The T580 works great for me on linux, no real complaints besides some minor loss of battery life
Everything works out of the box, although I intentionally left off the NFC and fingerprint sensor since those never work on linux
Although I do believe they eventually got a driver for the NFC reader
 
true, I don't really use those functionalities anyway
 
But USB C/thunderbolt 3, etc work perfectly
Though to be fair, pretty much any reasonably new laptop with off the shelf hardware will work on common linux distros these days
I'd find something that works for you in terms of size/weight, that's durable, and ideally upgradeable
I have no real plans to replace the T580 for the next few years since I can just upgrade the RAM and drives, and the processor is more than sufficient anyways
 
I'm kinda looking for something that will be a half-gaming laptop and half-random personal use one.. just something to tide me over until I build my gaming PC next year
 
eli
Tim problem was with fun getId() gist.github.com/elirehema/…
 
3:58 PM
The T580 GPU line up isn't great for gaming tbh
 
So nothing too crazy gaming-wise, but at least able to run most stuff
Yeah I'm going to try to avoid anything with integrated gfx chips
 
I just disabled the GPU in bios to save power and bought a separate gaming desktop
It has a discrete graphics chip, but its not really that great if you want to play AAA stuff
You might want to look at the P series for beefier graphics
Or go for another lineup altogether
I don't really game much, so never really gave it any thought
 
Yeah that's totally fair
 
In hindsight, I should've just skipped the discrete graphics and saved a few $$$ but eh
 
I'm not really looking for a top of the line gaming laptop, because those are just a waste of money if you really care about gaming
Maybe something in the ~$1k price range in CAD
 
4:01 PM
You can probably get a used T580 for about that much
Mine was about 2200 SGD I think
 
Just perusing the acers atm gunna look at lenovos in a min
 
posted on June 12, 2020 by lfy

Emulator 30.0.17 is now available in the Canary and Dev channels. Changes: GraphicsMore debug info has been added to WGL initialization on Windows in order to trace failures.Fixed an issue on Vulkan initialization on some GPU drivers, where certain 1.1 device functions were not found.MediaCUDA VPx decode is now properly supported, if CUDA VPx decode is available in hardware.Added better support

 
/should probably do some of my actual work too
 
Why bother
 
yeah exactly
 
4:16 PM
yo
 
yo grigg
 
4:32 PM
sup boyz and galz?
 
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not too much man just juggling doing some work and checking out laptops
 
macbook
4 sure
I'd buy one but that price..
 
5:03 PM
lol
nah
 
haha
 
5:14 PM
@ballBreaker What about Razer blade stealth 13? Looks pretty nice
 
any freemium database hosting?
 
Tim
5:26 PM
firebase
 
5:41 PM
sql ones :D
 
Tim
5:53 PM
GCP, EC2 idk
 
imma google that
thanks
 
6:26 PM
yo
@ballBreaker crabby crab
 
screw you dave
 
davee
hi
 
o/
 
miss you
 
6:32 PM
miss y'all too
WFH life doesn't agree with me
 
how are you?
 
hmm
 
hi CF
miss you too
 
so you came after all these days just to ruin our weekend?
 
I'm alright, tired all the time, sick of being in the house but it is what it is
basically
 
6:33 PM
same here
 
eww tests
 
yeah same ewww
i hate them too
 
hate does bring people together
 
love and hate are two sides of the same coin :p
 
6:54 PM
have a nice weekend
 
same to you
 
Dave!
hows it goin o/
 
it's going
 
7:14 PM
I've got a generalish programming question. Traditionally, when learning about classes/objects/instances etc. the analogy of cars is used. `Car` is a class, `Ford` extends that class, my `ford` is an instance of `Ford`. My Car has certain properties such as color, size, etc. It also has certain actions or methods (e.g .`drive(), .openWindow()`, etc.).

However, I've come to learn that more often then not, especially when using a MVC and family paradigms. You usually call something more on the lines of `CarController.drive` and pass a car instance to it, instead of calling Car.drive. This i
Is there a name for the two different methods of doing this?
 
dependency injection vs inheritance?
 
somewhat i guess
 
yeah I don't really know JBis I try to avoid getting caught up on terminology / paradigms
 
@DaveS how are the kids?
 
Yeah I guess, that is correct. Dependency injection. Thanks.
 
7:17 PM
they are good
 
Is there a reason that dependency injection method is used more often and works better then "inheritance"?
 
yes
decoupled code
 
polymorphism?
 
DI is great for test cases
because you can inject mock objects easily with it
 
its very good for writing completely decoupled code
 
7:18 PM
yeah
 
inheritance becomes mess after n layer
 
test case is just another use case of it
 
also look into Liskov Substitution Principle
 
I know from an academic standpoint
I don't know from a practical standpoint
 
7:20 PM
damn that i know too :/
 
I just find it interesting. I have rarely ever seen anything written the other way.
@ColdFusion I guess this makes sense.
 
not sure about js or others but DI is a lifesaver
 
i don't thing it's language specific
In object-oriented design, the dependency inversion principle is a specific form of decoupling software modules. When following this principle, the conventional dependency relationships established from high-level, policy-setting modules to low-level, dependency modules are reversed, thus rendering high-level modules independent of the low-level module implementation details. The principle states: By dictating that both high-level and low-level objects must depend on the same abstraction, this design principle inverts the way some people may think about object-oriented programming.The idea behind...
that talks a bitabout it
 
well its not but language specific implementation may differ
 
o/
 
7:51 PM
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o/ Ahmad
 
heyo Dave
 
o/ Ivan
 
taking bout DI? Have you seen Hilt>
 
no, not sure what that is
 
7:56 PM
Thats a new thing for android
Built on top of Dagger
Basically hides a bunch of daggers boilerplate
 
ah, I don't know if I'm ever gonna go back to native android at this point
unless it's legacy
we're leaning hard into Flutter and I'm enjoying it
 
We are separating ios/android as 2 completely different platforms
 
any particular reason?
 
i was looking into kotlin native but there is no much sense
yeah, basically 2 different markets
 
ah
 
8:00 PM
And from initial data, users want different features
 
that probably makes more sense from an international view point
 
And its going to be easier in terms of design
 
in the US the markets have so much overlap there's no reason to differentiate
 
Yeah thats true
There is also new thing coming out in couple of months
KSP -> kotlin symbol processing -> new annotation processor
Yeah and when it comes to flutter
Compose will reach stable in q1 of 2021, i won't be surprised if they ditch dart, and switch completely to kotlin native
 
@DaveS teach me master
I've been looking for a project structure using provider
 
8:06 PM
i guess it would be fairly simple to build a low level UI API underneath compose (which is supported to work on different platforms)
 
this is kinda what I've settled on after 4 projects or so
helpers is stupid little functions like toTitleCase()
 
thank you very much, Dave
have you been using provider pattern for DI?
 
yeah like in the grill app we have an abstract connection manager
and the implementation is either bluetooth only or also includes networking
and I can use Provider.of<AbstractManager> to get whatever I need and call the interface
 
I did not get provider right, but imma read some more
 
it works better with inheritance than Factories IMO
define your interface and get the provider of the abstract class that defines it
and have your dependencies implement that interface
but it's still a learning process
Global App state stuff I wrap in the root app widget in main
 
8:17 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about xD
 
but there might be multiple "Grill" providers so that's wrapped at the page level depending on which grill is currently selected
lol
you'll get the hang of it as you work with it
if you want to get an idea for how provider works, do a demo stopwatch app
 
I mean in dagger you have @Inject
 
and use a provider to provide the timer updates
in Provider you call Provder.of<MyDependency> and it traverses up the widget tree until if finds the first provider that is an instance of MyDependency
so you can have just 1 instance at the root, or something on each branch
or even a dependency on some branches with a default dependency at the root
so your injection occurs depending on where in the widget tree you want to place the provider
and then anything below that node can retrieve it
 
Dave
 
it's like coupling your depedency injection with android's layout.xml
 
8:20 PM
I really appreciate this
but honestly, I really don't get it :D
 
lol
You need to understand more about Flutter's widget tree then
 
o/
 
o/ Mauker
 
Hey Mauk
 
What I think I got is
let's say an EditText needs database.name
 
8:22 PM
Y'all, you just started your day and want to join android chat. How do you get here?
Bookmark? Google? what
 
its always opened for me
like literally all the time for like 15 months
 
thank you
 
@JBis I type "chat." then <Enter> in the browser window
 
same here haha "ch" would do it
 
8:24 PM
anyone ever use that button?
 
I overslept today
 
never in my life
 
F.lopez requested access. Rep: 101 - Questions: 1 - Answers: 0 (ratio 4:0)
 
@Mauker or did you undersleep for tomorrow
 
Ohh good point
night!
 
8:25 PM
o/
 
lmao
 
anyone else feels kinda bored without google io?
 
@IvanMilisavljevic I feel bored. Period.
 
i feel like im missing shitloads of stuff
 
8:29 PM
Same
 
yoyo
 
yeah grrigore there are several different providers
So far I've only really used ChangeNotifier and ChangeNotifierProvider
 
I found this playlist youtube.com/…
might be useful
gotta go now, thanks for your time, Dave
see you guys have a nice weekend TGIF
 
someone who knows git
how I do the pull request?
ahh nvm I gotta do it on vsts
this is so confusing
why did this chick have to do this to me
I pulled her code, made my changes, and now I can't push it without making it into a new branch and pull requesting it?
whyyy
what possessed this person to do things properly
 
8:45 PM
I do things properly on my own personal project lmao
 
It would have been nice if she told me ahead of time now idk what I need to do lol I've already commited my changed into my local branch.. now I need to rebranch it, push it, then pull request/merge it
I guess?
 
8:57 PM
okay I figured it out and did it properly
I'm so proud of myself
I ended up deciding on a laptop.. going with the Lenovo Legion 15 AMD
 
lol
 
9:15 PM
have a good weekend everyone!
 
9:57 PM
@ballBreaker Care to share specs?
 
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