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14:00
At least I'm gonna finish my first 100km bike commute this year
so not all is bad
@eFox True, but if we're being meta here, you're still not technically lonely if other people are around
lonely != alone
You can be lonely if other people are around, but you can't be alone
lonely
ˈləʊnli/
adjective
1.
sad because one has no friends or company.
well there's company :)
it's a pedantic point I'm making in any case
I wouldn't call random people company tho
14:02
company: 1. "a number of individuals assembled or associated together; group of people."
Zoe
Zoe
@Neil the company?
I can be somewhere without being associated/assembled with anyone
@Zoe now that is sad
@Neil You can be lonely even though you're not alone
Fine, I relinquish. You win.
14:03
you can also feel lonely even though you aren't. Feelings are fun like that; they don't give a fudge about logic
It can still be the pit of despair and loneliness even if you're with 50 other people just as miserable :P
That too
I wanna meet people. Anyone living in lower saxony?
Makes crude political joke
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@eFox wouldn't call it fun though
14:04
something could be said for the type of mindset you'd have to have to be lonely around people though
@Zoe I think curious things are fun
surely I'd be one, I'm no extrovert
Zoe
Zoe
@geisterfurz007 I ain't gonna lie, in english the name of that state sounds horrible
@Zoe It does indeed
@Neil Me neither. But sitting around alone all day sucks...
Before Wikipedia I used to sit and read encyclopedias. I read one purely of mental disorders.
14:06
@eFox After Wikipedia, I used to read the articles regarding mental disorders :)
@geisterfurz007 No, but a neighbouring state
Also time flies by because you do the same stuff everyday. I talked with a friend yesterday and we agreed on putting some stuff together one day and just hit the road looking where we end up :D
Which makes it pretty difficult to go see a therapist if I needed to; I know more about psychology than most psychologists
@wonderb0lt Ausm Osten? :P
14:07
Gut :D
Deutschlands schönstes Transitbundesland
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Sowas gibts nicht :>
@Neil After wikipedia I had a crisis realizing I was redundant as a source of random trivia and got into webdesign
Zoe
Zoe
14:07
@geisterfurz007 oder ist es? :D
So Allein will ich nicht sein~
I just got into programming because my brother did I think
It got me interested enough to pursue it because it was something I wanted to do and not just because my brother does it
Zoe
Zoe
@eFox niemand tut
I tried to get into programing for years but noone wanted to teach me. HTML/CSS is easy to get into; you can just download all the tags and get started with notepand and paint
@Zoe Wo bist du?
I got into programming because I chose the Math-Science path in highschool and that had Computer Science in it for one year which got me interested.
Now I wanna be a pilot :D
14:09
@geisterfurz007 Hint: We have one of the busiest airports in Europe, one of the busiest pieces of Autobahn in Germany and our central railway station combines is the hub of 7 high speed railway routes in Germany
I wanted to be a musician. Then I realized I can sing, just not well enough.
When I was like 8 and he was 16, he used to tell me about programming being the coolest thing ever.. he'd say, "Tell me to make a program that does anything!" So I told him to make me a maze.. He said he'd be done in 10 minutes. It took him several days XD
Zoe
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@eFox nord-Norwegen
I wanted to be a train driver as a kid
Still want to
@Zoe Sterb nich for mir.
14:10
@wonderb0lt Ah ok ^^
@eFox rip German :>
sniffles
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@Neil ah, yes. The always-a-problem time calculation. Say something takes 10 minutes and it'll take you a year xD
I wish I could drive and code at the same time
if I ever quit programming I'm still gonna be a train driver
14:11
@eFox I wish I could fly and code at the same time
@geisterfurz007 Yah, I only know the lyrics by ear XD
rammstein
*sic
wow that's a butchered band name if I ever read one
Zoe
Zoe
@eFox Ich werde nicht :D
14:11
@Zoe I didn't know this until later of course. :) I remember thinking "Why is it taking him so long?"
@Zoe Vielen gut
This is hilarious :'D
and yes 10 minutes is the infamous amount that can be anywhere from 10 minutes to 10 hours
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@wonderb0lt There are train simulations
10 IT minutes
Zoe
Zoe
@Neil I mostly stopped complaining about software not working (with a few exceptions. e.g. windows. As an OS it should work and be more stable than any single app you can find on the computer) because it's a PITA to fix and create :D
14:13
As an OS it should allow apps to run stable
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@eFox 1 IT minute: Anywhere from 1 nanosecond to the time the universe has left until the inevitable heat death
@Neil I know. But they're hardly realistic. Plus I want to do it as a job. I'm still fascinated by trains.
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@eFox Nichts zu danke xD
@Zoe Nah, 1 IT minute is but a century long at most, usually you can fint 5 IT minutes in a life-time but not always
Maybe some work having to do with them wouldn't be too bad. I applied to the railway company here in Germany but I got refused :)
Zoe
Zoe
14:14
@wonderb0lt create train software? :D
@wonderb0lt I saw a decent one on steam.. not from a bird's eye view, mind you, but where you're actually driving it
@Zoe Ich denk an dish?
I wasn't interested, but I thought it would have been brilliant for someone who likes that sort of thing
Zoe
Zoe
@eFox If you're thinking about a dish?
14:15
@Zoe I dunno how to spell for shits
@wonderb0lt choo, choo? :D
@Neil TS2018? Yeah it's pretty okay
German spelling is not very logical
And my company, well, yeah, no.
Zoe
Zoe
@eFox you said Vielen gut which actually translates to many good so I probably shouldn't have read that as vielen dank for whatever reason my brain has xD
14:16
@wonderb0lt Possibly, it was some time ago that I saw it honestly
But at least it's not as off as finnish; o -> u -> å -> o
Zoe
Zoe
German spelling isn't that bad though
I get to do Microsoft(tm) Azure(c) with Microsoft(tm) Windows(tm) soon so yay my company
I saw a farming simulator where you drive a tractor that goes no faster than 4 kilometers per hour
I wondered how anyone could want to play that game
You need to know when to capitalize letters. They worked grammar into spelling
14:17
I could see how. It's just as relaxing as Minecraft
Meh, Minecraft is appealing for me in other ways
I like building train networks in OpenTTD too, and I can see how people would find that boring
@eFox Sentence starts, Nouns, Verbs if you use them in some special way, Names and a few random times as well :P
@geisterfurz007 I know there are rules, I just don't know what the rules are, and still, GRAMMAR IN SPELLING! Why?!
It's actually important :P
Die Frau ist gut zu Vögeln
Die Frau ist gut zu vögeln
for example
Zoe
Zoe
14:18
@geisterfurz007 names are nouns
IIRC
@geisterfurz007 LMFAO
I never took any german classes, all I know comes from dictionary translating rammstein and Welle:Erdball lyrics :')
Zoe
Zoe
That's kinda cool though
And welll... listening to german. It's not that hard to guess if a person talks slowly (german is generally well articulated as it is so just slow does it for me), unlike Danish
Zoe
Zoe
I guess we can all agree Danish is a horrible language :D
14:21
I mean, it's more like a horrible dialect
Zoe
Zoe
meh, sounds more like someone who is trying to talk while high and/or drunk
@Zoe you're a horrible dialect
But tbh Danes speaking bad Swedish is worse. My great aunt speaking swedish before her husband died was incomprehensible, I hoped she'd talk danish to me instead
1397 bedste dag af livet
Zoe
Zoe
14:23
@wonderb0lt you're german, right? So let's bash the danish together :P
I still think my encounter with the personnel at Kastrup was the best;
- MUMBLE MUMBLE DANISH REALLY LOUD. HÖR VAD JEG SAEGER!
Zoe
Zoe
^
No
I actually speak a few pieces of Danish and enjoyed every visit to CPH
Not gonna diss my friends in the north
It was after she screamed the last part that I could actually hear that she realized I'm not a full-blood dane
IME Denmark has worse customer service than Sweden XD
I have no experience with norwegian service tho
My brother tried to learn German to no avail
14:26
Mann gehgen Mann
not that english is much better I suppose
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@Neil American English
touchè
They can't even decide what to call a fizzy drink
Blubberlutsch :3
14:28
SMÄTTERLING!
Hey, hey, hey!
Calm down please :D
You don't like the butterfly effect?
Christmas in German makes me think about "Wine evening"
Aka how to survive meeting your relatives
Or Krampus
I like the theory behind it. I genuinely question its existence though partially to protect myself from thinking about it too much and going crazy
butterfly effect only works if you assume there are infinite possibilities
Krampus, wine or butterflies?
14:32
Yes (butterfly-effect)
just like infinite space.. when you start adding infinity to the equation, things get.. weird
0,99999...Infinity = 1
no objections there
An infinite number of mathematicians walks into a bar, each of them order half the sized drink as the one before them.
- Stop being silly, says the bartender and pours two glasses.
(For everyone joining: Yes, this is Java chat :) )
14:34
But the butterfly effect doesn't really relate to infinite possibilities, more to the fact that the consequences are very hard to predict in a chaotic system. The consequences might still be finite
Java: Now with math
To think, some people call the SO chats uncultured
@eFox An infinite number of mathematicians are lodged at a hotel. Another guest arrives. What do they do?
Go to a bar and each of them orders half the sized drink as the one before them.
XD
14:36
@eFox Bartender just shakes his head and says, "Guys, know your limits" and pours two beers.
If the hotel can lodge an infinite amout of mathematicians they should ahve room for one more :P
@Neil That's not the version I heard :P
@eFox That's the version I've always heard :P
the hotel has an infinite number of rooms but already accomodates infinitely many mathematicians
But alas, they go one room over.
you don't even have to technically wait for them to all shift rooms
since it'll take them an infinite amount of time
Now a coach with an infinite amount of new mathematicians arrives, what do they do?
14:38
They could expand to mars with the size of that hotel and place that guest there
Wait...
they could start shuffling cards
The hotel must be infinitely big then while the universes size is finite (but expanding)?
you guys realize the ridiculous amount of combinations that a deck of 52 cards can be?
@Neil That's going to be one hell of a round of poker
they all move to double their room number
14:39
"Everyone done with their turn?" - "Nope, nope, nope, nope,....."
What if inifinite amounts of coaches seating infinite amounts of mathematician arrives?
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@wonderb0lt I feel like you forgot something in there because it doesn't make any sense in of itself, but if you can host an infinity you can host one more
you'd get an infinite number of mathematicians that got a royal flush
Could you... Stop? My head hurts again ._.
@wonderb0lt Yeah, you forgot a detail in there; that the hotel is actually infinite
@geisterfurz007 It's good, it means you're learnding
14:41
wonderb0lt? I cannot sleep. Do you have a BED TIME PARADOX?!
@eFox In fact I should be for the next three exams in the next three days. Instead I think about infinite hotels, bars and poker...
Here's one for you; A man and his son are in a car crash together. The father dies instantly on the spot and the son is rushed to the hospital in critical condition. Upon arrival in the operating room the surgeon takes a look at the patient and says "I can't operate on him, he's my son!". How is this possible?
@eFox I didn't mention that? Oops.
The surgeon is his mother because women can be surgeons
About to type that
14:44
@eFox Yeah.. sexist
durr hurr
@wonderb0lt AFAIK in the problem you told me the hotel could be finite ;)
@Neil Sexist?
infinite amount of mathematicians kinda implies the hotel is infinite in size as well
@wonderb0lt The surgeon could also be his other dad
Yeah really eFox. Consider the female gender please. /s
14:45
@eFox Yeah, someone who discriminates by gender
wow yeah damn I'm a homophobe
and/or transphobe
Please go on with this discussion! I am eager to try out the timeout tool :)
could also be the adopted father and not the biological father
@Neil It's actually a way to determine how sexist or stereotypcal someone thinks. All of you are of the generation where the logical solution is that the surgeon is the mother, which is a possibility, non of you thought about that the the surgeon could be a second dad
14:46
@eFox I get it, I was just messing with ya
@Neil I know, kinda dumb to call a WIT sexist XD
Though that's not impossible
while we're thinking laterally..
Works in Texas?
But given my zero tolerance to sexism in the passed...
@eFox That was my first thought, then my thought was that there was a scene change to heaven and then I thought about the mother one.
Zoe
Zoe
14:47
@geisterfurz007 lol
@geisterfurz007 Woman in tech
Close enough :D
There are three ducks.. one duck says he has a duck in front of him and one behind him. Another duck says he has a duck in front of him and one behind him. The last duck says he has a duck in front of him and non behind him. Assuming they're in line, how is this possible?
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@geisterfurz007 lol
Even if I know that you might have guessed it and just pull a joke, I just have to answer what it really is anyway.
14:49
There are more ducks which were not mentioned. 5 at least
@Neil they're 3 somewhere in the line after index 0 and before -1
Alternatively line must not exclude circle
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@geisterfurz007 there are three ducks
which were not mentioned
Doesn't say anywhere that there may not be more
There are three ducks does not contradict that there are more ducks
Zoe
Zoe
14:50
When n is a constant set to 3, there cannot be more ducks @geisterfurz007
@Neil They're swimming in a circle?
ducks = n +2
a circle != line though
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Zoe
@wonderb0lt not a line
Is a circle not a line?
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14:50
@geisterfurz007 ducks == n
It is a curved line
@Zoe That is not said anywhere!
You can bake a cake with flour but cake != flour
that ^ Thank you!
A circle can be drawn with a line, but line != circle
14:51
fair enough
Zoe
Zoe
@geisterfurz007 yes it is
there are 3 ducks
There are only 3 ducks would specify it
They could have switched places as well
Duck-sort
@eFox circumference of a 2D figure is a line
14:52
one cycle == move duck && print duck.orientation()
Zoe
Zoe
Hm
And so?
give up?
Eventhough I dislike saying it but I would agree with Wietlol on that one.
lateral thinking guys
@Neil didn't we have the correct one anywhere?
14:53
@Neil I don't know what concept match that word
Not the answer I'm looking for anyway
nah that can't be it, else they'd all have someone behind them
@eFox thinking "outside the box"
Oh! I didn't read the last one with "none behind it"
Me neither XD
It was too repetetative so I just autofilled it
14:54
yep
Reading the whole sentence? Ain't nobody got time fo dat.
if(pattern) { autocomplete(); }
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Zoe
Lol
Are they in line in three-dimensional space also?
yep, no weird non-euclidean geometry going on here
okay
Is the first duck looking in a mirror?
14:56
They are in a circle and while they were talking the one behind the last one suddenly identifies as a frog so it is not considered a duck anymore
didn't consider that, and that would resolve it, but that's still not the answer I'm looking for
>_<
At least I've proven I can think outside the box
Zoe
Zoe
One of the ducks are facing the others?
I'm thinking one or more of them have turned around
But that doesn't add up still
Zoe
Zoe
Same thought ^^
14:57
yup
Zoe
Zoe
Yeah, there's the last one
I think I had better tell you or you'll just hate me that much more later
Zoe
Zoe
Brb
I'm stumped
Tell us
The answer is that one of the ducks is a liar.
14:58
Yeah we will. I will be back later. Gotta get some stuff done for college at last ^^
ah, well.
I hate you
That was my first though XD
lol
@Neil hold on
14:59
Wietlol - crushing theories since <birth-year here>
Just one of them is a liar? That doesn't add up either
Unless one of them is also turned
Actually it does
I'm just dumb

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