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I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them. -- Isaac Asimov (source)
 
 
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6:38 PM
Vent: learned about stacks today, was told to not use the majority of the class because you arn't "supposed" to use it. It feels like a weak argument. You shouldn't put something in an api unless you expect people to use it.
 
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The good thing about Java is that it does a lot for you
 
true
 
but it also offers some stuff if you need to get your hands dirty, however, if you wanna get real down an gritty, you should look at C++ not Java
 
but imagine not being able to use what it gives you D:
I want to learn C++
 
6:40 PM
It could also be that stacks aren't covered in your course, it's just mentioned because it's good to know
I haven't touched stacks since 2015
 
nah we are learning about stacks in our course and have been told not to use anything but 5 of the functions
 
I can't believe it's been 6 years already =_=
What kind of education is it?
Do you have a professor?
 
Honestly, I don't really use stacks either
yeah
professor
 
Sounds like they're trying to do you a favour by sparing you wasting time on something you won't use
School and class is IME just 10% of what you need to know
 
lol nah, they want me to use stack, they just don't want me to use all of stack for the sake of practice.
 
6:43 PM
It's just the foot in the door
Get the picture then move on to the next topic
You can explore it as much as you want in your free time provided you actually have free time
 
yeah... FIFO is probably what they want to teach
 
I got a vocational degree so I had a lot of time to Richard around
 
tbh, I don't code for a living, mostly have just done it for fun
I tend to like using things in ways they where never meant to be used XD
 
That's the fun part of software engineering
 
honestly, I need to learn more Class UML, I only really know how to use it to show how to build a class
 
6:46 PM
@Gemtastic not traversing binary trees anymore? ;)
 
@motaa Not since I was last in a hiring process
 
trees huh?
 
I have no idea how that coding test did. For my current employer I just looked at the code test and went "Nope". So they offered me a turn in assignment instead
 
lol
 
Pretty sure I'm just a diversity hire
 
6:48 PM
oof
 
Hello impostor syndrome my old friend~
 
@merlin one uses a stack or a queue when traversing a binary tree depending on how you want to traverse it
 
interesting
 
how means if you want to go layer by layer or of you want to go over each branch until its bottom node
 
I'm podering going back to school to get a computer science degree I wanna learn more about the math
And maybe feel like I actually know something
:P
Dust off the small grays
 
6:52 PM
very easy to understand
@Gemtastic where do you have your degree in?
 
honestly how much is java used anymore? I tend to us C# if I have a choice
 
@motaa I have a vocational degree in Javadevelopment
It's pretty much useless outside of Sweden
 
lol
 
Java is very much used in enterprise
Although Kotlin is gaining traction still
 
@merlin tbh. it does not matter what language you go for... My boss once told me... a good programmer has to be able to learn any language in 7 days
 
6:54 PM
At my current job we're 50/50 Kotlin and java
 
@motaa lol I feel that they tend to be all similar anyway
 
And Elastic Search is still using Java IIRC
 
@Gemtastic that is the fun thing.. you can mix kotlin and java in the same project
 
@motaa I know, because we are XD
 
@merlin because they are
 
6:55 PM
as long as I have an IDE with autocomplete, I'm good
 
programming basics are the same everywhere
 
IntelliJ is kinda good and converting between the two. You only have to do some changes to make it compile
 
It's honestly to easy to forget a ;
 
ye but I don't like mixing languages
 
Computer science is universal, it's just a matter of how much the language wraps it for you
 
6:56 PM
imagine programing in binary
 
@motaa I love mixing languages
That's why I learned 6 of them
 
that would be a nightmare
and you probably couldn't do so anyway
 
Python, ruby and bash for the utility scripts, Java and Kotlin for the enterprise code and Javascript for the front end and C plugins~
 
I would claim that it does not matter what language you go for... one big difference though is between oop and functional
you will learn both concepts anyway during your career
 
Functional JavaScript is fun~
 
6:58 PM
ahem
 
oh wietlol is awake
 
what heresy has summoned me?
 
now listen to him
 
I know this is a controversial opinion but Javascript is a good programing language
 
> Functional JavaScript is fun~
I see
 
6:59 PM
Scala lost traction to Kotlin but I think there's still some merit to learning it
 
@merlin define "good"
 
Probably a lot of legacy code in google written in Scala
Henlo Wietlol
 
honestly js is good to learn how a computer thinks
 
Scala is more functional, but Kotlin is more productive...
 
@merlin Wat
 
7:00 PM
it's just harder for humans to think in such abstractions
 
I love abstractions
 
anyway, im off again
laytar
 
we like defining things like into classes
 
Laytah
 
@Gemtastic same
 
7:00 PM
I look forward to coding directly with my brain
 
@Gemtastic lol same
 
Need more engineers to make machines read brain waves
 
javascript is great for coding on the go. you can inject and test stuff with JS which is nice
java is great for learning the class structure tho
 
JavaScript has a lot of good uses, I wouldn't say it's good for learning how a computer thinks. Assembly is way better for that
Micro computer development was the most fun I had in years
 
I have not learned assembly... what's it like?
wait... doesn't java use assembly?
nvm
assembly is C++ like languages
 
7:05 PM
Java is made with C++
 
@merlin I have programmed assembly for 4 years and it is not like c++
 
Assembly is a human readable machine code
 
first you need to know about your cpu architecture
 
It's nothing like C or C++
 
oh
 
7:06 PM
every cpu has a set of instructions that it can interpret
 
I highly recommend looking into a youtube course on basic computer science
 
so you have a booklet of some 60 pages with every instruction documented that a certain architecture can interpret
 
They normally begin by teaching you how transistors work and how a processor work and then introduces a microcomputer and how to program it
It's a very good foundation for understanding how computers work
 
I have really been trying to save it for a class, I get kinda complacent when I already know what I am learning
 
you will be taught about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_gate
 
7:08 PM
Everything in a computer is really just boiling down to current on, current off
 
lol true
 
You don't need to know how a computer works to program it though
Also, you can tell what kind of engineer you're dealing with if you ask them if C is a high level or low level language lol
 
@motaa thanks for the video and links
 
Motaa actually knows stuff.
I'm just an overpaid potato
Don't listen to me lol
 
I claim to... but tbh... I know a lot but I don't use it to become some sort of senior dev
I am a scientist doing his doctors :D
 
7:11 PM
I know too little about too many things
The only thing I can advice you that you should actually listen to is: DO NOT GET BURNED OUT
 
@merlin don't get complaced... when I started studying AI back in 2004, the first 2 years at university were utterly boring because I knew a lot of stuff
but they were boring because I did not have the drive to get better
 
Oof
 
so I never went to lectures and only did my seminar work and stuff
 
OOF
 
and it did suffise
 
7:14 PM
I would just go to class and code my homework in class and spend my free time learning something new
 
when I was finished in scotland with my bachelors in AI, I went to Germany and did a bachelor in applied human geography
that was something completely different
after my bsc in geography I went to Vienna, Austria, and did my masters in geoinformatics at the technical university
 
That sounds like so much fun
I miss school so much Q_Q
I wanna learn more about big data search algorithms
 
after that I went to Germany again and did a masters in transport sciences
 
Interesting
 
now I work here and do my phd at my company
well company is the wrong expression though :D
its not a company even though we have 10k employees
we even have a Hadron Collider that has been used to test the current covid vaccines
check out our next gen aircraft that we have been engeneering for over 15 years :D
@merlin in case of the space liner you would never go with java or any other high level language
same goes for automated driving vehicles
you need way faster response times
but tbh. this will be available in maybe 20 years :D
the space liner I mean
 
7:54 PM
oh the new snowpiercer season started on netflix!
 
 
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9:05 PM
so... what heresy do we have here?
@motaa I would go for a mix
functional procedures, object-oriented structure
 
9:33 PM
yo
 

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