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12:10
@SilentKiller Mota bhai
@Prince Na na bhai
@SecondRikudo I agree, but in some cases you can confirm it from the room users! there are many cases with those people who cannot communicate well in english and still they need some help,or have to communicate. I think you need to revise your policy.
@SaadChaudhry Nope.
Stack Overflow has rules. One of the rules is "Speak English"
If you can't conform to that rule, you are subject to suspensions.
If you don't like it, IRC generally have no such rules.
@SilentKiller I have one problem regarding to device
@PiYusHGuPtA say
@PiYusHGuPtA hello
@SilentKiller can yu give some idea regarding app superbeam?
12:17
@SilentKiller i have selected internal storage with 5 GB and when download any app from play store will display alert dialog with "Insufficient Storage"
@PiYusHGuPtA 5 GB internal space.. :O
in Java and Android era , 1 min ago, by Rufus
check properly internal storage or restart device and then try
@PiYusHGuPtA install that app in bluestack
kon si app
5 mins ago, by PiYusH GuPtA
@SilentKiller i have selected internal storage with 5 GB and when download any app from play store will display alert dialog with "Insufficient Storage"
12:23
ha to ab kya karu
jonsi krni h wo kro mota bhau
sahi se batao bhau
yr app ka size bda h kya
@PiYusHGuPtA
i use bluestack for installing app of sizes more than 2 GB
2 hours ago, by Aamirkhan
In my application i am giving spannable to different word of single edit text, for that i am storing start and end position of different position on which i need to apply span method. For this i am storing each start and end position in Integer ArrayList , Now for example if user change any value on edit text , on that time that position is not going to work, which is obvious, I want to maintain position when user change value of edit text, it will be my pleasure if any one can help
why flagging?
12:30
@Prabuddha I'm guessing, non-English?
yes, but I don't see any message that needs moderator's attention!
@maven are nahi yar
@PiYusHGuPtA ?
@Prabuddha Read up a little, I explained why non-English messages are not allowed.
12:32
@rlemon access approved.
those flags are invalid and you know it
spamming non-english is one thing
@Aamirkhan no idea bro .. if i had .. i already replied to you
a few messages is another
@maven and @PiYusHGuPtA please use English for talking might you got flag bcz of non-enlist word use
@maven I am stuck on it
from two days
12:33
@NitinGohel Yeah next time will keep in mind
@SecondRikudo agree, but non-english is being used in many rooms/scenarios, so that doesn't mean that it needs moderator's attention!
@Aamirkhan Hey bro .
@Aamirkhan I guess you should post that on main site..
@NitinGohel okz
@PiYusHGuPtA Hi
@Dhruti Yes
let me do it
12:33
can we expect some English messages from you guys? or you want the mod to freeze this room
@Prabuddha I will not have this discussion AGAIN. Please read what I wrote above.
@Aamirkhan problem on device regarding
I didn't make the rules.
@PiYusHGuPtA You can ask
there is also a rule about not abusing flags @SecondRikudo
12:34
@Prabuddha it's moderator said i know that used non-english in many room but that is SO rules not mine
don't pick and choose the rules you want to follow
@SecondRikudo If SO team wants that non-english words should not be used, they should keep validation in chat rooms!
@Aamirkhan THough 5 GB is available insufficient error occurred when try to download app from google play
@Prabuddha You can't validate whether a word is English or not. That's impossible.
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Q: Android Tag Functionality Customization

AamirkhanIn my application i am giving spannable to different word of single edit text, for that i am storing start and end position of different position on which i need to apply span method. like this i have used setChips method public void setChips() { // split string wich comma Log....

12:36
@SecondRikudo how can you say that's impossible, have you tried it so far? :)
@PiYusHGuPtA what is apk size?
and device internal memory
@Prabuddha If you want I'll give you a validation here... do you want?
@Aamirkhan just 13 MB
@Mr.Alien infact I want validation in everyroom, why only here?
@Prabuddha exactly
12:38
@PiYusHGuPtA make sure you have free internal memory available tech-recipes.com/rx/5641/…
@Prabuddha cuz only this room chats in hindi and gujrati
Only it isn't possible, because you can't validate all words in the English language with taking typos into account
@Mr.Alien are you damn sure?
@SecondRikudo @Mr.Alien SO moderators can have a moderator who knows hindi or gujarati.
12:39
1 hour ago, by SilentKiller
@SecondRikudo no issues buddy will take care of that thing
@Mr.Alien should I search some chats from other rooms, that are non-english?
@SilentKiller he cannot sit here for all day
:P
@Mr.Alien you need proof that this is not only the room.?
@Prabuddha yes, do the needful, whenever you find, flag
12:39
Should I report your account being compromised? Because I think I'm talking to a different person
@Mr.Alien it happens only in IST time i think.
@SecondRikudo seriously, pretty stubborn
@SilentKiller still, say if am a mod here, I cannot sit here and validate your chat all day, I've other things to do right?
@SecondRikudo i am same person. and i think discussion was over and you had left
Faltu discussion going on
@SecondRikudo was that for me?
12:40
@SilentKiller I did leave, and then I was called back.
@SilentKiller Stack Overflow em Português was created exactly because it was impossible to moderate languages other than English.
@Aamirkhan what did we just said?
@Mr.Alien but this things can be reduced.
So until Stack Overflow in Hindi is created, and proper mods are appointed to it, English is the language you speak in chat. Nothing else.
@SecondRikudo am calling in a freeze for this..
@SecondRikudo then i think No other language mean no other language should be used na.?
12:41
@Aamirkhan I think you should compare text again and set spannable again in onTextChanged. Storing start and end position on first text entered doesn't seem a good idea to me.
@SilentKiller Yes. English Only
It's not limited to Hindi, I don't speak Hebrew in chat even though I can and there are people who would understand me.
@SecondRikudo I just disagree that detecting that a word, sentence type in chat is non-english is IMPOSSIBLE
@Prabuddha With taking typos into account? Impossible.
@Prabuddha you make one
cheer, chear, chir, chaer, cheeer, it never ends
12:44
@Mr.Alien will I be paid for that?
@Prabuddha for sure
@Dhruti Yes it's not a good idea, i could not find any better solution for this, so i go with it, and if we set spannable on text changed again than it will cause StackOverFlowException which is not good, in but in facebook android application we can see tagging is done on comment box, and they have done it perfectly without any error, i want exact functionality in my application
@Mr.Alien thanks, then for that you guys just let me know the exact requirement and lets discuss the payscale!
@Aamirkhan well, for that you must check text again in TextWatcher
This discussion is pointless.
12:45
As far as I know. Let's hope someone answers your question and you find another way
I didn't make the rules, and there is already a consensus against speaking in any language other than English in chat.
@Prabuddha Please stick to English as much as possible in chat rooms. If it's brought to my (or any other SO mod's) attention that you're using Hindi in here again the room will be frozen. Keep it up and it will be deleted.
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@ChrisF pin that
@ChrisF agreed but what about other rooms and languages.?
@ChrisF but what if someone is not able to explain his/her problem exactly in English? he will never get his/her solution, is this what StackOverflow is for?
12:46
@Dhruti That's the problem, if we do any heavy operation again and again on on text changed than it will cause StackOverFlowException is occured, so we need alternate solution
@SilentKiller English applies to all SO rooms. Other languages are (and should be) allowed in rooms attached to language related sites.
@Prabuddha Use Google Translate for the first attempt.
@ChrisF so do we start the meta thread for all of the non-english themed chats in the SO system?
I can think of a handful off the top of my head
@ChrisF now do you guys think that is feasible?
@rlemon No. It's fairly obvious if a room is attached to a language related site.
but.. they are not attached to a language related site
they are attached to SO
12:48
@ChrisF if a person is not enough to explain in English how can a person can get translate. simple logic.
@Prabuddha Long term probably not, but English is the language of Stack Overflow so you should try to keep to it as much as possible.
translate fr: hello there, I can't speak French
Bonjour, je ne peux pas parler Français
@ChrisF agreed with you and even already discussed with Gordon also it should but it not must be. we just mean that
Right - you have a translate bot available. Usage translate: <words> translates into English. translate <lang>: <words> translates from English
Back to work guys
@ChrisF does that work for non-mods again?
translate he: hello @SecondRikudo
no, seems it doesn't
12:50
@ChrisF AFAIK, if something meaningless is spoken in other language then it should be pointed not the technical talks!
@SilentKiller The problem is that certain people use non English to have inappropriate conversations which we can't moderate.
also @ChrisF the two rooms I posted above. how are they allowed to use non-english?
(keeping in mind I'm all for english only, just like to know where the line in the sand is actually drawn)
@rlemon Hmm - tricky. The problem is that if they don't generate flags we don't see them.
but this room only generated flags because someone decided to put a stop too it
(which I think is flag spam but w/e)
@ChrisF I also not tolerate that but some times peoples flags messages which don't need to be.
12:52
@rlemon probably cuz all the users are local and they tend to chat in local language, this room is rather a general one compared to the chinese
@Mr.Alien fair, but again that doesn't really draw a line in the sand
@Mr.Alien mean you never talked in other language.?
@rlemon then you guys should ask the flagger that was that flag only for non-english chats? If yes then don't flag it next time as they are doing technical discussion only not using any abusive words or something like that
@rlemon As I said above, the stuff I see flagged is where people are using a language other than English to post inappropriate stuff - be that spam or other things. That's why we discourage it.
in HTML / CSS / WebDesign, 9 mins ago, by Mr. Alien
they are useless
12:53
@rlemon but still, it prevents, its like talking non english in main rooms compared to 1v1 chat
@ChrisF now this is meaningless chat!
@rlemon Oh bugger. Well it might be reinstated.
we will try to stop non english languages from now on .
@ChrisF but, in that case, there will be more flags on same post. Not one or two flags on multiple posts evenly and I one can always ask room users(I don't know if mods have time for that, they are always busy :/)
@Mr.Alien looks like you are very wise user of SO, still you haven't learnt behaving others on SO, is it so? (saying others useless)
12:55
I just don't like rules that are subject to interpretation -- it will almost always elicit debate
@Mr.Alien you didn't give me reply buddy
@Prabuddha thats my opinion
@SilentKiller no, I don't chat in hindi in main rooms
@Mr.Alien what if i show you.?
anyways am out of this discussion...
lols good one
12:57
@SilentKiller please show me, if I did then sorry :)
@rlemon Unless you have mods in all rooms 24/7 it's going to be hard to police. The basic thing to remember is "don't take the piss". So while non-English is discouraged, if you're not engaging in appropriate behaviour then you're OK.
@ChrisF can i ask you a simple questoin.?
@Mr.Alien believe me you won't like my opinion if I post it!
@ChrisF yea fair, but from an outsiders perspective I do feel like it should be an all or nothing kind of deal. or at least there should be guidelines about how to chat in a different language on the FAQ (where, if you must do it, it is appropriate)
Think of it like this - would you be happy posting something if you knew everybody in the room was going to be able to understand it? If you are then OK. If you're trying to hide what you are posting then it's probably best not to post it in the first place.
12:58
@ChrisF All is fine about offensive messages, but all the owners in this room know when any kind of offensive message is written by someone, and at that time, we stop that person.
@ChrisF if a new person is not able to explain his/her problem in English what he should do should he/she leave SO chat rooms without solution.?
@rlemon Unfortunately there's no such beast (or at least I don't know of one).
12 mins ago, by ChrisF
@Prabuddha Use Google Translate for the first attempt.
@ChrisF if messages are offensive we are also flagging it even it is in English or in any languages.
as a frequent chat user I've seen cases where two users go into a room because one doesn't speak english and they are getting honest help -- someone a few hours later flags and someone is suspended unjustly. <- just an example of the system working in a negative way
12:59
@SilentKiller As long as that's what they're posting in Hindi. French or whatever and are prefixing it with an attempt at a translation then that should be OK.
@SecondRikudo and why can't google translation API's be used to detect non-english words/sentences?
anyway, back to work.
@SecondRikudo if a new person is not able to explain his/her problem in English what he should do should he/she leave SO chat rooms without solution.?
@Prabuddha It's good, but it's not that accurate.
@SilentKiller Explain your problem to Google Translate, and have Google Translate explain it here.
@SecondRikudo haha, then how can you guys opt the same thing to us?
13:01
@ChrisF that's the thing if you check history of this room you'll find many users with reputation of 20 to 100. if they chat in hindi and we provide it does it mean we are breaking rules.?
@SecondRikudo not easy for everyone.
@SilentKiller Programming is Hard. Stop trying to pretend it's easy.
I'm serious here.
I didn't make the rules.
@SecondRikudo but you already said that is not that accurate, then how can a person believe the inaccuracy thing?
bye guys will take your leave now see you soon .. guys please update me if someone is looking for job at Pune location in Android/iOS/PHP/.Net
SO is English only.
also, as a side note: I would rather translate proper hindi (or any other language) thn hvng 2 rd dis sht b cuz u r 2 lzy 2 typ
13:02
@Prabuddha I see your profile now, seems like you are one of the talented users here.. am surprised that you are actually opposing the thing here, well, you guys chatted its fine, now one try to ignore chatting in hindi, as simple as that
@rlemon I vote for flagging that too.
It's "Hipsti", not English
and am sure, if an Indian user can login here, he is a developer, if he can read hindi words in English, am sure he can read English
@SilentKiller As I said - as long as there's an attempt to converse in English first and the Hindi isn't inappropriate then OK - but you have to remember that SO is an English language site. You also have to remember that stuff that isn't in English generates a disproportionate number of flags.
understanding what someone says too you !== articulating your own problems.
#rlemon-out
@Mr.Alien but not everyone can be good at explaining their issues in English. Just because we an, we shouldn't be harsh to them.
13:04
@Mr.Alien yes, when I joined SO, I was one of the user speaking in Hindi, Gujarati but then gradually, slowly I started in English and believe me I always ask people to speak in English here in rooms but something I allow them to have non-english chats.
As that will not be helpful for SO's basic motto for any develper to get help.
@Dhruti SO's motto is NOT for newbies to get help.
You are dearly mistaken if you think that.
is that fine now?
@SecondRikudo then SO mod's should not allow new to join SO. before joining SO user should pass exam in english
13:05
@Prabuddha if you see, I am not sure, just check the transcript, you will get casual conversations in Hindi if am not wrong, anyways I don't have to tell you much now as I know you are an established user here, and sorry for the word useless, the chats were pissing me off cuz there was just argument and no understanding...
Then kindly correct me.
SO's motto is to create a high quality repository of knowledge and information, via asking and answering questions.
As that's what I was thinking till now. @SecondRikudo
@SecondRikudo and chat?
@Mr.Alien @ChrisF I am the owner of this room & I created this room as I found that some user where not able to explain their problem/issue in English, so I wanted them to go there and discussion and allow other users to speak in English in other rooms!
@Dhruti Chat is supplementary to the main site.
13:06
@Dhruti no, you shouldn't help vamps...
It's to further discuss and enhance issues raised on the main site, and to sometimes provide help and fun.
@SecondRikudo Agreed. But help part?
Are you seeing Hindi questions on the main site?
Show me one. Just one.
@Mr.Alien Its ok mate, but here in this room the owners are boys/girls so you guys need to believe them that they won't allow any abusive words to be used in the room which is against SO rules.
@Mr.Alien well, that's really one's POV. as to when to help and when to not. You might disagree.
13:07
One that wasn't closed in under 3 minutes.
@Prabuddha No, I don't need to "believe" anything.
@SecondRikudo that was not for you, you can clearly see that it was pointed to someone else :)
@SecondRikudo i had also closed that kind of stupid question but let them breath first then show rules.
@SilentKiller I don't see why chat suddenly has different rules.
(Hint: It doesn't)
@SecondRikudo I am not answerable to you as you don't have answer to my questions!
@SecondRikudo of course, there can't be. But that's what I was trying to say, that if he can't explain well in English after certain extent, and moves to his native language, especially when there are persons who can understand his native language. Then it should be fine up to certain extent.
13:09
@Prabuddha see I will explain you nicely what happens, am an Indian, so I know Gujju and Hindi, now, say if am explaining my problem here, say "mera android phone error de raha hai - out of memory, so kya karu" vs "My android phone is throwing me an error saying - out of memory"
now say a random user dropped in here by searching for same words and he will see hindi, so he will be like wtf, I can't read this..so SO tends to target future users more and not just the user who asks for help temporarily
@Dhruti אני לא מדבר בעברית, לא משנה כמה קשה לי להסביר באנגלית
Without checking a translation service
Can you say for sure that I didn't swear at you there?
And about casual discussion, you can't expect that there won't be any casual discussion in a particular room at all!
@SecondRikudo no as we don't know that.
@Dhruti I don't mind casual discussion.
@SilentKiller yea so he is trying to explain you the same thing, other foreign users won't get a thing what you are trying to chat here ;)
13:10
I don't even mind rude humor discussion
I do mind that I can't properly tell whether or not someone is engaging in casual chat or in anything else.
bye @SilentKiller @Dhruti
Because that line above you could trasnalte ^
@SecondRikudo as I don't understand, I would definitely not flag that. Because, flag system should be used to flag offensive message. I would make sure that its offensive and then only flag. (This is also one's POV, I guess)
@Mr.Alien then the best solution is to have moderator who knows Hindi. I can't force each user to speak in english.
Aval et zot ein sikui shetatzlihu.
@SilentKiller Until that happens
13:12
32 mins ago, by Mr. Alien
@SilentKiller he cannot sit here for all day
English only.
they are not paid for what they do
@Mr.Alien yes mate, I am also asking people more to speak in English, but you can understand that if someone is not willing to speak/learn that then that particular user must be banned for some punishment not the whole room, infact that user must be given warning prior to that for speaking in English.
also vote me next time as a mod if you want an indian moderator
7 mins ago, by SilentKiller
@SecondRikudo then SO mod's should not allow new to join SO. before joining SO user should pass exam in english
13:12
@SecondRikudo can understand what you are saying,but the google translator is not accurate all the time.
37 secs ago, by Mr. Alien
32 mins ago, by Mr. Alien
@SilentKiller he cannot sit here for all day
@Mr.Alien don't you think i had voted.
Guys, it's pointless arguing it with me or @Mr.Alien
@SilentKiller haha obv you would and hence am amazed that we are debating :D
We don't make the rules.
13:13
@Mr.Alien then before joining chat rooms there should be an English Exam
What we are trying to explain to you are established facts
@SilentKiller lol no
English is the only languages allowed in Stack Overflow, Stack Exchange and in chat.
@SecondRikudo I think you have some work of your own to do! :) we can understand
13:14
@SaadChaudhry Clearly, you cannot
@SecondRikudo @Mr.Alien if i found any other language it will get mod flag at time. Rules for Everyone
Because 3 minutes after "Don't worry buddy, no issues, we'll handle it"
The exact same thing happened again
@Mr.Alien @SilentKiller guys, I think this discussion is not leading anyone anywhere, so we should just tell the user here to try to talk in English as far as they can, thats it as of now!
@Prabuddha right.
@Prabuddha see, I said for your good, if you are not aware, silentkiller is my good friend, reason behind me and @SecondRikudo explaining you is that say you are chatting in Hindi, there are users in your room, may be your friends who flag them, they will be accepted by foreigners as they won't understand the language, if they accept more then few flags, you will be auto banned from chat, and I don't want that to happen cuz some of the users over here are pro including you...
13:15
room topic changed to Smart Developers' Lab: Don't Give Uncessary Ping and kindly try to stick to English, Post Query Directly, and elaborate as best as you can with showing what you already tried, For showing Code use pastie.org , Facebook Group facebook.com/groups/484927231520028 [android] [blackberry] [html5] [ios] [jquery] [jquery-mobile] [phonegap]
@SilentKiller I always accept if someone flags chinese or japanese rooms
its actually we feel more comfortable with that, but if there will be such thing will definitely will be flagged!
@Mr.Alien i just mean to say is " it must should be "
@Mr.Alien then you are using your permissions in wrong manner!
@SilentKiller you can ask any mod for review history, they will tell you if I accept the flags or not ;) also, whats better, I never flag hindi messages written in English.. I tend to explain to my fellow Indians
13:17
@Mr.Alien yes agree, also today I just got banned from chat for posting a wiki link, I think this happened because previous day some feeds kept posted automatically or virus may be.
@SaadChaudhry am a moderator on SE, so I know well how to use my tools :)
@Mr.Alien i didn't object you i object the topic
you better know that ;)
@Prabuddha there you go, there is no other reason to stop you from posting, its because of others you will be punished..
@SilentKiller I feel bad that Prabuddha got my point and you didn't
:D
haha :D
don't worry I will make him get your point :P
13:19
@Prabuddha :P * new char(50)
@Prabuddha and I think you are senior to me, so sorry for the word useless, that was more intended to say that "the discussion was useless" :)
even if I reject your flags, which I do sometimes, if they don't harm, others will accept and you guys will be banned..
@Mr.Alien Its ok mate, no problems, no hard feeling :)
@Mr.Alien lets see on gtalk as Hindi is prohibited here
so even a moderator cannot do anything here, apart from lifting up the ban
@SilentKiller ahahaha
@UnityBeginner no Hindi sir use English please
13:20
ok
@Prabuddha thanks :) and sorry again.. I'll visit this room often.. ;)
but it will be hard for me to translate that text in english
@Mr.Alien lols for Hindi checking..?? ;)
@SilentKiller i think today u dont have work :)
haha nope, I don't get too much of free time, already got a feature request for adding features to email extractor, also I would rather spend time in gaming :D
13:22
@UnityBeginner try and try you'll get success. as we already(many times) had debate for English.
@Mr.Alien I think you don't want to be my friend, because in friendship its no sorry and no thanks but you are saying it again and again and dis-respecting my friendship :P
@Prabuddha I like that :D
@Mr.Alien see you in Counter Strike then :P
23 mins ago, by Second Rikudo
12 mins ago, by ChrisF
@Prabuddha Use Google Translate for the first attempt.
13:22
@NitinGohel Sir It was about Hindi and its ma National Language
@SilentKiller anytime :) you own a copy?
:)
@SilentKiller yup keep it up
omg i was kidding yr
@UnityBeginner there other option type in pure hindi so other can translate it,,
@Mr.Alien yes i have
mah english is not this much bad that i hav to use google translate
13:23
@SilentKiller great, will play for sure
@SilentKiller Can we change storage to internal sd card instead of phone storage when download app from play store?
I request the moderators here to make users of this room aware about trying to speak in English as far as they can, so no one suffers and keeps learning being professional :)
here all the people know good english
@Mr.Alien Sure. :)
13:24
@Prabuddha keep chris's message pinned for few days then...
@UnityBeginner no, i am not good in english
@UnityBeginner your english is very bad, you are using mah in place of my and blah blah blah :P
@UnityBeginner I suck at English grammar tbh
@SilentKiller Bhai tell me please
@PiYusHGuPtA i don't think so.
13:25
yup i know i am bad in somany things i know my english is not good
@Mr.Alien Its ok as owners and rooms description already clarifies everything almost :)
but can anyone pls tell me the correct english of word jalebi
we can say it round sweet n funnel cake but its not correct
tell me its correct english
can anyone?
@UnityBeginner we are not learning english here. :P
@UnityBeginner sweet
@SilentKiller OK
13:26
@Prabuddha yea, you made a nice move there
@Mr.Alien anything which is sweet in test is sweet. :P
Bye guys @ALL
@SilentKiller this is right way...:P
@Mr.Alien lols he didn't. :D
@Mr.Alien thanks & now back to work as I also had a new requirement to be implemented will get in touch with you later :)
13:28
@SilentKiller yea just like we call masa, kaka -> uncle to all the words
hahahaha boring English.
@Prabuddha sure, I'll hangout often, room in my favs
@SilentKiller is this the room where sweetwisher used to be active?
@Mr.Alien her wish.. :P but ya she used to be.
gotcha.. so this room was in my fav, recently I deleted all the rooms from my fav list so I lost this too
@Mr.Alien :P because of s/w ^-o
13:34
bye all
@SilentKiller hahaha nope, she preferred asking me for help over here instead of other rooms
hahahaha ohk ohk
13:47
bye all
@maven bye
@SilentKiller @Dhruti
@Mr.Alien :)
@SilentKiller Bye Sahab @All Bye
14:00
take care all. Good night.
 
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15:46
byee all
@Dhruti Gd n8...
@Shadow Bye...
@Priyanka Bye....
@Bye All

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