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12:15 AM
Someone is asking about Pearly Spencer on meta. Wasn't he quite active here?
 
12:26 AM
Lol seems like an advanced form of revenge downvoting; the votes on Jun24 didn't get reversed and many other upvotes got reversed
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yes, Pearly Spencer was active in here. Beyond that, I don't think that we should discuss it here. I don't have any information. We just don't moderate users and the discussion on Meta might be seen to head in that direction.
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1:00 AM
@Makyen :) Probably doesn't matter now as it was a while back and probably not important anyway - I just know you try to avoid links to people, so if you want to move that discussion between Cody and AC out regarding flag stuff etc...
 
@JonClements Well... Makyen said something about one-boxing, and you've linked it to him not removing something which was not one-boxed.
 
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And, if it is something to be removed, then you could have said that straight, without drawing such a comparison.
 
@JonClements Thanks. I'd missed that there was a link to a user there. My impression is the conversation is understandable with just the message with the user link moved. If it's not, I'm OK with moving the whole thing.
 
@Makyen You may remove the entire discussion like I said before starting it :P I also feel that I shouldn't have disturbed Cody for moderation in a chat where he might have been taking a break oops
 
1:12 AM
@ArdentCoder When it began, I was going to mention something, but it immediately became apparent that the real issue was you didn't know how to flag for that type of situation. Explaining how to do that is definitely on-topic for this room, which is why I left the rest of the conversation.
 
@Makyen And that's why I admire you. My earlier message was meant to Jon who accused me without reading the entire thing, so I simply let it go by apologizing instead of explaining. (don't think that I always let go by apologizing, sometimes I do take revenge ha ha)
 
@Ardent accused? huh?
 
@ArdentCoder I appreciate you letting it go. However, I don't think there was an intent to accuse you, or anyone else, of anything. I can understand how it might have felt that way, but I don't really think the intent was there.
 
@JonClements While it might not seem obvious, but your message was intended to accuse Makyen for not removing something in which I was involved which implies that I did something wrong to begin with.
@Makyen Oh, I see.. I will accept it cuz you said it :)
 
@ArdentCoder OK. Thanks.
 
1:20 AM
@ArdentCoder wow okay... not sure if you're doing some imaginative reading between the lines or just reading something entirely different but okay... :p
 
@JonClements Here's my 'imaginative' reading: "Probably doesn't matter now as it was a while back and probably not important anyway - " it hides the accusation you're about to make by adding cherries. "I just know you try to avoid links to people," - Defending Catija without evidence but with: "so if you want to move that discussion between Cody and AC out regarding flag stuff etc..." - reference to something which I did, and since you want it removed => AC was the one who did the wrong.
i.e. simply passing the blame
 
Hehehe, poor Jon, says going to sleep and get a flurry of pings :D
 
@Braiam I could say "I see that as an excuse to avoid this discussion", but I won't.
 
1:47 AM
@ArdentCoder I can see how you can read it that way. However, I really don't think it was intended as anything other than trying to be helpful in keeping the room away from being about users, which is something we do try to do. We all fail to do that from time to time, and some things do get missed. Jon was reminding me about a message/conversation which I really should have handled earlier, and it was a conversation which you understood going into it might not be quite appropriate for the room.
Mentioning you and Cody was necessary in order to identify the exact conversation sufficiently for me to go back in the transcript and take care of it. I don't believe there was an intent to accuse you or anyone.
A person pointing out something which wasn't done, was done wrong, or which could/should be corrected doesn't necessarily mean they are accusing the other person, even if it can easily feel that way. In some cases, it certainly can be that, and some people use doing that for very negative statements (and often an exercise of negative power). However, doing so is also necessary in healthy situations where there's something that just fell by the wayside.
All of us do things that aren't perfect, and somethings that are even wrong. If someone is constructively pointing out something which we could have done better, we really shouldn't take it negatively, even though we've really been conditioned to see that happening as negative. I try to see such occurrences as times where I can learn to do things better.
It's hard sometimes, because there's always the urge to have gotten things right, but without knowing where we missed something, there's no way to do better the next time.
 
@Makyen Awesome! To be honest, I know all those things, and out of the two interpretations - I chose to go with the one which accuses me cuz I've remembered some names to deal with and Jon is one of them as he was against me once when I complained about too many unfair audits.
But he also lifted my ban, so I didn't extend this discussion from one point above. But then he insisted on 'imaginative' reading and then blah blah
 
@ArdentCoder I can understand, but it's probably better to just let it go.
 
2:02 AM
@Makyen "just let it go"... ha ha... Actually, this pandemic has took my friends away from me indirectly as they have to encounter too many family problems... and then I thought of using my free time to contribute to the community which taught me many things about coding... But boom! Now, as long as I have this free time, I won't spare anyone who deliberately did things to belittle me
For example, that rene has always been behind me since the time I joined meta and I don't know why. He kept closing my posts, etc. and I didn't react. But once when someone else's post was closed and I saw the potential to reopen it, I came to this room. I did not like his comments, again I ignored and the post was later reopened by other people. Then again, one day I had doubts on closure of one of my own posts, he again... he indirectly told me to get out, though Nathan resolved the issue.
@Makyen Now, do you think I should "let go"?? How many times did I let go? And see what happened.
 
@ArdentCoder sadly, one-vs-the-world histories tend to end in tragedy.
Better get some liked minded individuals that you share the same ideas.
 
@Braiam I don't fear. You may term it as "vs world" cuz in that process I had to mess with everyone in this room. Actually, it was just rene, and I wanted to make him feel how it feels when he behaves like that with others. Yesterday, look how he has changed, when someone came with a reopen request - he edited the post for them.
 
@ArdentCoder I can see you're quite frustrated. While there might have been some actions which were directed at you, I'd suspect that the majority of what you've described were actions taken based on the persons understanding of the content of the posts, rather than against you as a person or user.
 
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@ArdentCoder I understand this pandemic is hard. And I'm sorry you've been put into that position. But please try to make sure you're not taking out that frustration on other people. It's not their fault. Covid has been hard on many people.
 
@ArdentCoder Well, take my advice as "it's dangerous to go alone" kind of thing. Having backing is better, since you don't feel cornered by all sides.
 
2:15 AM
@Makyen That might be true, but when I joined this room ignoring all those past incidents, in a happy mood just to hide whatever he's done with me in the past - boom I got kicked - I still took it lightly and commented something like "I just wanted to know how it felt like to be kicked, take it easy" - AND THEN HE KICKED ME AGAIN
@Chipster Thank you :)
 
@ArdentCoder I don't believe I was present at that time, but I believe there was a considerable amount of frustration on both sides.
Unfortunately, we're past the point where the discussion is about specific people. It really needs to move out of this room.
 
@Braiam I don't need any support from anyone in this community. Ok, I admit I have given him some mental torture already - and you may feel free to suspend me from chat
@Makyen I understand. But for me, the stage is the same place where I was mistreated - hence this room. I don't know how it reached here, but I can stop now.
 
@ArdentCoder I was talking about your first message to Makyen about its "just let it go"
 
@Braiam I tend to let things go - but this rene stuff was too much. I would definitely want to confront him on this - but nowadays he chooses to ignore me - beep.
 
@ArdentCoder OK. That would be helpful. If you want to express your frustration, which we all need to do from time to time, there are other places. We prefer to keep things in here as constructive as reasonably possible.
 
2:21 AM
@Makyen Sure.
 
@ArdentCoder Thank you.
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7:34 PM
Somebody wants to give the final punch? stackoverflow.com/questions/62683365/…
 
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9:13 PM
Custom: it is not in English how to draw a rectangle on the screen using node.js‭ - mvaldetaro‭ 2020-07-01 21:08:36Z
 
9:27 PM
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And it's closed now anyway. Doing these things over the phone is a poor experience.
 
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10:45 PM
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:49801153 You'll have more in 70 mins :P
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